Ukraine Crisis - Page 305

On March 15 2014 18:01 Ghanburighan wrote:
Excellent Foreign Policy paper:

On March 16 2014 01:52 Salazarz wrote:

Pretty hard to take it seriously when they talk about Putin's "confrontantionalism" in "invading" Georgia..

Soldiers continue to commit outrages in the Ukraine, including from Right Sector.

On 14 March in Kharkiv, they organized a provocation against peaceful demonstrators who came to express their attitude to the so-called new government. As a result of gunfire opened by the fighters, two people were killed, and there are wounded.

Alarming information is coming in that a column of armed hirelings of Right Sector have left Kharkiv and are headed to Donetsk and Lugansk, and their leaders have announced the opening of an “eastern front,” and that they are sewing Russian military uniforms at a sewing factory on an emergency basis.

During the course of their meeting in London on 14 March, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov drew the attention of Secretary of State John Kerry to the danger of the decisions of the Verkhovna Rada on the legitimization of the Right Sector and other radicals through a path of turning them into the system’s power organizations, such as the National Guard. Furthermore, S.V. Lavrov urgently called on J. Kerry to use Washingston’s influence on Kiev to prevent the outburst of the ultanationalists.

Many appeals are coming to Russia with a request to defend civilians. These appeals will be reviewed.
Source

“Units of Ukraine’s armed forces today … repelled an attempt by servicemen of the armed forces of the Russian Federation to enter the territory of Kherson region on Arbatskaya Strelka,” a statement from the Defense Ministry said. “This was repelled immediately.”

It said the Ukrainian military used aircraft, ground forces and its aeromobile battalion in the operation. It was unclear whether any shots were fired.

Earlier, local websites reported that several dozen paratroopers landed in the Kherson region, which is adjacent to Crimea. The soldiers reportedly wore no insignia, but were dropped off by helicopters bearing the red star of the Russian military.

According to the Kherson Online website, the troops seized control of a gas distribution plant. The Crimean peninsula – which is set to vote Sunday in a referendum on joining the Russian Federation –is reliant on electricity, gas and water that transit the Kherson region.
Source

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

On March 16 2014 03:14 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Ukraine is run by fascists or out and out Nazis is moderate.

Photoshopped Hitler into the Maidan is moderate

Pictures of guys with guns from years ago, claimed to be pictures of current protesters at the Maidan, is moderate

Criticism of "personal insults" followed by calling people "an army of drones."

That tired old grandma, "Western media so subtle you fooled!"

Kosovo split off from Serbia to weaken Russia is a good fantasy, also Kosovo split off by America? Kosovo war was a creation of the EU. America provided the muscle. If the EU hadn't wanted it NATO would never have bombed Serbia. And the EU only wanted to bomb Serbia because Milosevic was being mini-Hitler and Europe was getting shellacked in world press for allowing a mini-Hitler to run around in Europe only 60 years after they did nothing about the big Hitler when he wasn't so big (and so he got big).

No lives lost lol how many people were killed by Berkut controlled by Russia's puppets again? How many pro-Ukrainians have been murdered by pro-Russian militias again?

How many tens of thousands of people killed by Russian weapons in the hands of Assad government in Syria again? How many Russian weapons shipped to Assad government since civil war began?

Any rational thinker would realize that what Russia is doing right now is worse than Kosovo and just as bad as Iraq as it will cause great bloodshed in the future eventually just as Russia caused great bloodshed in Chechnya and is causing it in Syria right now (more dead in 3 years than in Iraq in 8, most of those killed with Russian weapons held by soldiers paid with Russian handouts to Assad but hey whatever, Western media so subtle). Eventually someone will fight back the way Chechnyans did and then people like you will be throwing out the sheeple attacks and blaming the West for inciting those fascist partisans to shoot at Russian soldiers occupying their country even more desperately.

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests.

[Yugoslav] forces were engaged in a well-planned campaign of terror and expulsion of the Kosovar Albanians. This campaign is most frequently described as one of "ethnic cleansing," intended to drive many, if not all, Kosovar Albanians from Kosovo, destroy the foundations of their society, and prevent them from returning

On March 13 2014 03:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Other than the last two that's an incomplete list of countries that are in better shape than the rest of the world so I think he probably doesn't mean like that...

Ukraine accused Russia on Saturday of having staged a “military invasion” of the country, saying Russian troops had seized one village outside Crimea and briefly landed at another.

In a statement posted to its website, Ukraine’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said 80 Russian soldiers – supported by four helicopter gunships supported by four helicopter gunships and three “armoured combat machines” – seized the town of Strilkove on Saturday. Strilkove, which is home to 1,300 people, is about 16 kilometres outside of Crimea, on a thin peninsula in adjacent Kherson oblast.

A spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin said he hoped the crisis in Ukraine wouldn’t develop into a renewed Cold War standoff between Moscow and the West.

“With all our soul, we hope that both ourselves and our partners have enough political wisdom, feelings of political realism, to avoid sliding into an even deeper confrontation - ideological or otherwise - because of Ukraine,” Dmitry Peskov said in an interview with Russia’s Ren-TV. “We are interested in the development of cooperation, and we wouldn't like what is happening in Ukraine to have the opposite effect.”

On March 16 2014 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:
I feel bad for the Russian posters here, taking moderate stances, pointing out very clear hypocrisies and getting personal insults from an army of drones. Western media truly is better than Russian, they are subtle enough to make their people think they are seeing the truth and that only the other side is spreading propaganda.

The rules that govern the world isn't based on fairness, it's based on national interests. Every country gets what they can when they can. America split Kosovo off from Serbia to weaken Russia, they didn't do it 'for the peoples' right to self-determination. Now that Russia is trying to do a very similar thing, they oppose it tooth and nail because it's against their nation interests. You know what, that's hypocrisy is perfectly fine, because that's how the world has always worked, by don't be an idiot and try to claim the two situations are different because of some tiny detail. Any rational thinker would realize what Russia is doing now isn't nearly as bad as Kosovo or Iraq, since no lives are lost in their pursuit of interests. But again, western media I applaud you.

On March 16 2014 03:14 aksfjh wrote:

There's a difference between prioritizing which genocidal country you intervene in by national interests and invading any country for the SOLE purpose of national interests.