Ukraine Crisis - Page 304

On March 15 2014 08:23 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


Right.



To be completely fair, RT was always considered as pro-government source.
But it seems, they're trying to be better.

On March 15 2014 08:20 zeo wrote:

And every statement that is not from RT should also be disregarded, yes, both should be disregarded.

On March 15 2014 08:29 Ghanburighan wrote:


A very accurate definition of absurdity: you end up with the empty set. This also explains your inferences.

On March 15 2014 08:33 m4ini wrote:


Maybe i misunderstand, point was to disregard rt.com as well as Euromaidan PR (fair point, i might add). I'm not entirely sure what you mean with absurdity.

On March 15 2014 08:33 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


I promise, they're closer to reality than it is when they write about domestic stuff :D

On March 15 2014 08:44 Ghanburighan wrote:


The definition of absurdity in logic is a situation which no state of affairs supports; the classical example is `A and Not-A'. If A holds, no state can be a Not-A-state. And if Not-A holds, no state can be an A-state. If you look at the set of remaining states, you'll find it empty. But an empty state supports every sentence, which is why it is absurd. I won't explain why this is the case technically, but it's not intuitively wrong: if the world is absurd, it's fine to say `pigs fly' or `white is black'. No matter what you say holds, because nothing actually holds in an absurd state of affairs. What I then meant by the `inferences' comment is that if Zeo's mental state is `disregard A and disregard not-A' i.e., disregard everything, then he can make any inference he wants.

P.S. I posted Euromaidan PR just to spite Zeo once he started bitching about bias again, despite being the most biased person in this thread. I would generally post that stuff.



Oh god.

On March 15 2014 07:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


It was so bad that i almost laughed.

They're ethnically different? Yes, i have nothing against it.
They live in their homeland? Yes, i have nothing against it.
With their free money? There is a common joke in Russia when we're speaking about regions who're getting 100% donated from budget. Once after Terek's game in RFPL (club from Grozny, capital of Chechnya republic), journalist asked Ramzan Kadyrov (president of Chechnya and Terek as well) about where are they getting money from.
You know what did Ramzan answer? "Allah gives money to us".

No, you don't understand. Big amount of those Chechens/Northern Caucasian guys who cause chaos in Moscow and St.Petersburg (there's way less) are kids of senior officials who thinks that they're kings of this land and because of it they can say "fuck the rules i will do like i want". But migrant workers are here as well, and i'm not sure about horrible conditions and do they really care about it because there is law about amount of possible prescribed residents in one flat and it's definitely not 40-50 as much as i know our laws.



Thank God, someone can understand it and not call me as xenophobic cunt.
I'm scared what could happen if it wasn't thread about Ukraine but about something like gay rights lol.

Conclusions:
What is playing out in Crimea and, potentially, in eastern Ukraine, is thus not just proof of Russian hegemonic ambition in post-Soviet Eurasia. It is also an expression of a genuine and serious change that is taking place at the core of Russian politics.
Until now, Putin was a bare-knuckled and often confrontational geopolitical player, but -- even invading Georgia -- he retained a clear sense of just how far he could go. Indeed, this was his genius, to know when to play the game and when to break the rules.
But Putin today is increasingly a caricature of Putin in his first two terms. He is listening to fewer dissenting voices, allowing less informed discussion of policy options, deliberately narrowing his circle of counselors. Perhaps feeling the chill touch of political, if not physical mortality, he appears not just unwilling but unable to seem to be backing down from a fight, more concerned with short-term bravado than long-term implications.
Source.

German chancellor Merkel, in the context of possible economic retaliation by Russia to putative sanctions, Tuesday said that while German-Russia trade relations are worth €76bn, German-Czech trade is €60bn.“There is a dimension there, but not to such an extent that it would have an impact on Germany’s entire economic engagement."
Source.

On March 15 2014 07:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


Thank God, someone can understand it and not call me as xenophobic cunt.
I'm scared what could happen if it wasn't thread about Ukraine but about something like gay rights lol.

On March 15 2014 18:01 Ghanburighan wrote:

Conclusions:
What is playing out in Crimea and, potentially, in eastern Ukraine, is thus not just proof of Russian hegemonic ambition in post-Soviet Eurasia. It is also an expression of a genuine and serious change that is taking place at the core of Russian politics.
Until now, Putin was a bare-knuckled and often confrontational geopolitical player, but -- even invading Georgia -- he retained a clear sense of just how far he could go. Indeed, this was his genius, to know when to play the game and when to break the rules.
But Putin today is increasingly a caricature of Putin in his first two terms. He is listening to fewer dissenting voices, allowing less informed discussion of policy options, deliberately narrowing his circle of counselors. Perhaps feeling the chill touch of political, if not physical mortality, he appears not just unwilling but unable to seem to be backing down from a fight, more concerned with short-term bravado than long-term implications.

Statement of the MFA of Ukraine with respect to assault landing of the Russian Armed Forces in the Kherson region on March 15

Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine expresses its strong and categorical protest against the landing on March 15, 2014 near the village Strilkove, Kherson region of troops of the Russian Federation Armed Forces in a number of 80 military personnel, and seizure of the village Strilkove with the support of 4 helicopter gunships and 3 armored combat machines.

Ukraine Foreign Ministry declares the military invasion by Russia and demands the Russian side to immediately withdraw its military forces from the territory of Ukraine.

Ukraine reserves the right to use all necessary measures to stop the military invasion by Russia.

Source

The article says that Russia landed troops into the Donetsk province of Ukraine claiming they were securing a gas compressor site "from the possibility of terrorist attacks." The Ukrainian MFA demanded a withdrawal of Russian soldiers from Ukrainian territory.