You wrote option 2 incompletely. you missed quite an important part. Please write it completely and then we will continue discussion.
Sorry my Russian in a little rusty. Please enlighten me. If there is an actual option to maintain the status-quo I will gladly admit I am wrong.
status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
The 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from [returning to the status quo].
This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.
With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.
The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer. Source.
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
A 22 year old who died yesterday in Donetsk was reported as anti-government protester by russian media. He was an activist for the integrity of Ukraine.
Yesterday's events in Donetsk.
The surrounded group was pro-Ukrainian. The rest was yelling "on the knees" and "Russia".
Just a refresh regarding the 'language bill' that wasn't signed.
It wasn't a 'new bill,' it was revoking a previous bill put in by Yanukovich - "Effective in August 2012, a new law on regional languages entitles any local language spoken by at least a 10% minority be declared official within that area."
This bill did not affect Crimea, as it already recognised Russian language in government before 2012. From what I've read, most East Ukraine governments had allowed Russian language prior to the bill anyway.
As written, it's a stupid, stupid bill that shouldn't exist. If this bill were introduced in the Greater Vancouver Area in BC, Canada, we'd have English, German, Polish/Ukrainian (not sure which would dominate), Arabic, French, Hindi, Punjabi, Chinese and possibly Japanese as well as official languages.
We do 'support' these languages at a government level locally - Anyone in this area can attest to that if they've been to the DMV or Passport office - but officially supporting them would be an act of futility
On March 15 2014 00:42 Gorsameth wrote: [quote] Sorry my Russian in a little rusty. Please enlighten me. If there is an actual option to maintain the status-quo I will gladly admit I am wrong.
status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
The 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from [returning to the status quo].
This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.
With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.
The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer. Source.
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
I laughed when I read this. it sounds exactly like how China apologists describe Tibet. Taken with a dose of racism (they come to our cities and cause trouble).
Why would you kid yourself? The Chechen people live in Chechnya for the same reason why most people live in the same area where they live; because that's where they have always lived.
On March 15 2014 00:43 MikeMM wrote: [quote] status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
The 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from [returning to the status quo].
This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.
With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.
The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer. Source.
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
I laughed when I read this. it sounds exactly like how China apologists describe Tibet. Taken with a dose of racism (they come to our cities and cause trouble).
Why would you kid yourself? The Chechen people live in Chechnya for the same reason why most people live in the same area where they live; because that's where they have always lived.
About what are you speaking? I'm ok with them living there. I'm against guys who don't know russian but still come into big cities and act like they're owners of those places.
You need to live in country who has such whines, i guess and only then you can claim that those countries are full of racists.
On March 15 2014 04:01 Cheerio wrote: A 22 year old who died yesterday in Donetsk was reported as anti-government protester by russian media. He was an activist for the integrity of Ukraine.
I saw that video yesterday, absolutely gut wrenching.
Looked like the police had no interest in protecting those people. At some point the police were yelling don't touch the buses they are ours, as the anti-Russian protesters were getting hit with bricks and fireworks, police were more worried about their buses...
On March 15 2014 00:42 Gorsameth wrote: [quote] Sorry my Russian in a little rusty. Please enlighten me. If there is an actual option to maintain the status-quo I will gladly admit I am wrong.
status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
The 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from [returning to the status quo].
This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.
With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.
The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer. Source.
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
don't you russians say they are wild animals? They don't need to come to Portugal.. just give them independence and be done with it.
On March 15 2014 00:43 MikeMM wrote: [quote] status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
The 1992 national blueprint - which was adopted soon after the collapse of the Soviet Union and then quickly abolished by the young post-Soviet Ukrainian state - is far from [returning to the status quo].
This foresees giving Crimea all the qualities of an independent entity within Ukraine - but with the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Russia.
With the pro-Russian assembly already saying it wants to return Crimea to Russia, this second option only offers a slightly longer route to shifting the peninsula back under Russian control, analysts say.
The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer. Source.
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
don't you russians say they are wild animals? They don't need to come to Portugal.. just give them independence and be done with it.
When Chechnya has been independent before, it turned into a failed state that raided its neighbours. There's no easy solution.
On March 15 2014 00:48 Ghanburighan wrote: [quote]
If you're going to repost that stuff without reading what has already been posted in response, let me repost the counter again too:
[quote]
I read it and I disagree with it. Its just an opinion of some analyst and you present it as given matter. If people vote to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine Cr goverment wont dare to join Russia since it doesnt have support of citizens.
Why would they not join Russia? Russia has already shown it has no problem with beating down protests and imprisoning political opponents. What makes this different?
If people of Crimea voted to keep status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine then Russia would back of I guarantee.
In the same way that Russia backed off when they invaded Crimea? oh wait... no they did that bit.
I understand you don't see the world as we do. Government controlled media does that but don't tell me you don't see how this referendum is bullshit.
I am an adult and Im not really influenced by media. Do you recognize division of Serbia? I think its the same situation as with Crimea. But USA and EU recognized Kosovo. So I dont understand why they dont want to recognize the will of people of Crimea.
whats the will of the people in Chechnya ?
Dunno, getting our money because they're 100% donated region, coming to big cities and cause chaos. 90% of them hate Russians but they still live here because it's free money. Ah, also 100% voting for Putin. If you want them in Portugal, take them, enjoy.
don't you russians say they are wild animals? They don't need to come to Portugal.. just give them independence and be done with it.
When Chechnya has been independent before, it turned into a failed state that raided its neighbours. There's no easy solution.
They weren't independent since 18th century. And even before it, you can barely say that they were independent because Russian Kingdom either Ottoman Empire or Safavid's Iran were watching and influencing Caucasus like forever.
Sad thing why we can't just give them independency is because we're federalistic country, so if we drop every Northern Caucasus republic, after it some other regions might probably drop (like Tatarstan or Bashkortostan) and it's not very good i guess. And also losing Northern Caucasus isn't good by any mean in strategic way.
North Korea becomes the second country, after Syria, to endorse Russian invasion of Ukraine
Blames USA for "worrysome events in Ukraine" including "cruel violation of people's right for self-determination".
This was declared by North Korean ambassador in Moscow Kim Yong Jae, as reported by RIA Novosti.
"Latest worrysome events in Ukraine, provoked and incited by conspirators according to pre-planned scenarios by USA and Western countries, conclusively shows who truly is the instigator of all calamities on our planet, who achieved an overthrow of a sovereign government in broad daylight and cruelly violated peoples' rights for self-determination." -- said the diplomat during a reception marking 65th anniversary of an economic and cultural partnership between Russia and North Korea.
The ambassador practically confirmed Russian military intervention in Ukraine with these words.
Earlier, Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad also spoke in support of Russia. Source.
North Korea becomes the second country, after Syria, to endorse Russian invasion of Ukraine
Blames USA for "worrysome events in Ukraine" including "cruel violation of people's right for self-determination".
This was declared by North Korean ambassador in Moscow Kim Yong Jae, as reported by RIA Novosti.
"Latest worrysome events in Ukraine, provoked and incited by conspirators according to pre-planned scenarios by USA and Western countries, conclusively shows who truly is the instigator of all calamities on our planet, who achieved an overthrow of a sovereign government in broad daylight and cruelly violated peoples' rights for self-determination." -- said the diplomat during a reception marking 65th anniversary of an economic and cultural partnership between Russia and North Korea.
The ambassador practically confirmed Russian military intervention in Ukraine with these words.
Earlier, Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad also spoke in support of Russia. Source.
Not surprising at all, Kim has to keep his little group of friends intact. Afterall, they all are like-minded on USA.
On March 15 2014 04:30 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: You need to live in country who has such whines, i guess and only then you can claim that those countries are full of rasicts.
Yes, because the United States aren't ethnically diverse or anything
North Korea becomes the second country, after Syria, to endorse Russian invasion of Ukraine
Blames USA for "worrysome events in Ukraine" including "cruel violation of people's right for self-determination".
This was declared by North Korean ambassador in Moscow Kim Yong Jae, as reported by RIA Novosti.
"Latest worrysome events in Ukraine, provoked and incited by conspirators according to pre-planned scenarios by USA and Western countries, conclusively shows who truly is the instigator of all calamities on our planet, who achieved an overthrow of a sovereign government in broad daylight and cruelly violated peoples' rights for self-determination." -- said the diplomat during a reception marking 65th anniversary of an economic and cultural partnership between Russia and North Korea.
The ambassador practically confirmed Russian military intervention in Ukraine with these words.
Earlier, Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad also spoke in support of Russia. Source.
It's like a who's who of despots terrified of being violently overthrown!
On March 15 2014 04:30 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: You need to live in country who has such whines, i guess and only then you can claim that those countries are full of rasicts.
Yes, because the United States aren't ethnically diverse or anything
I always thought that it's reasonable advice. If you come to work, you at least can understand language and you're peaceful guy, then it's one case. But not when there are 4 millions of illegals in Moscow who can't say 10 words without mistake, have illegal passports and live in diaspora's flats with 40-50 other same guys.
They're completely different, like absolutely. When you can't follow social rules or other stuff - don't come and there won't be any problems.
I know that my German friends don't like a lot of migrants in their country for example, even though they have tons of Polish, Turkish and other nations friends. Korea/Japan don't like migrants at all afaik, so there are dozens of other countries.
I always thought that it's reasonable advice. If you come to work, you at least can understand language and you're peaceful guy, then it's one case.
On this part, i'm with you. Immigration without integration is a stupid thing. And yes, that's a big political problem in germany as well, i suppose it is everywhere. I wouldn't say we don't like "alot of migrants", we just don't like the leeches, as you do, as far as i understood you.
Yeah man, you got to hate those ethnically different people living in their homeland with their free money, yet decide to move to cities as migrant workers living in horrible conditions in the same country. Can't have that! Don't come or else there will be problems.
The problem you have here is the point where people then start stereotyping and saying "All the immigrants don't try to integrate and leech of the social system". Which surprisingly often is the next step, but obviously just a non sequitor to justify xenophobia.
On March 15 2014 06:33 Simberto wrote: The problem you have here is the point where people then start stereotyping and saying "All the immigrants don't try to integrate and leech of the social system. Which surprisingly often is the next step, but obviously just a non sequitor to justify xenophobia.
Never said that, and don't think that. I worked with a gay, long haired turk for quite a while, took him 6 years to get a job and he certainly worked harder than me.
I would say though, that there's too many leeches. I suppose german integration "politics" would deserve an own topic, but as a general rule of thumb, it failed and is in desperate need of reformation. I worked a couple of years in an internet-cafe when is was younger, and it's baffling how many people actually don't understand the slightest bit of german.
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Essence being, no point attacking someone who is fed up with his countries integrationpolitics - it's not brilliant in germany, i can only assume how bad it would be in russia. If it's as bad as it is in my imagination, well, i would be pissed off properly as well.
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