Ukraine Crisis - Page 10

On December 16 2013 11:20 Nyxisto wrote:


Sorry but Russia in it's current state is a shithole. The country is run by a corrupt president who systematically locks oppositional forces away, runs ridiculous state founded mass media that is literally brainwashing the people, and the economy is in shambles compared to other countries which indeed have cached up in the post Soviet era.
Not even to speak about the fact that the country is systematically discriminating minorities. Hell the country has basically banned any act of homosexuality in public and the people are so brainwashed that 85% of the population even think that's awesome.

On December 16 2013 13:11 hp.Shell wrote:
American mass media doesn't make it easy to get world news, even biased reports. They are more interested in letting us know about mandatory healthcare and what Miley Cyrus has been twerking on recently. To find news like this takes digging through a haystack of trivial stuff.

It's pretty scary to see tanks pointing to the inside of any place. I will hope for minimum violence.

On December 16 2013 11:20 Nyxisto wrote:


Sorry but Russia in it's current state is a shithole. The country is run by a corrupt president who systematically locks oppositional forces away, runs ridiculous state founded mass media that is literally brainwashing the people, and the economy is in shambles compared to other countries which indeed have cached up in the post Soviet era.
Not even to speak about the fact that the country is systematically discriminating minorities. Hell the country has basically banned any act of homosexuality in public and the people are so brainwashed that 85% of the population even think that's awesome.

On December 16 2013 13:38 Danglars wrote:

Foreign affairs stories are most likely puff pieces or the super-intellectual nuanced stances of this and that. Not very much analysis of the big power players and power plays in Eastern Europe and Asia. I don't know how much of this is due to the whole Putin/Obama contrast.

What's the latest? Are there still massive protests, how lies the balance of power on resignations/elections, what's the possible 1 year outlooks?

Some 200,000 people have rallied in the Ukrainian capital Kiev to protest against President Viktor Yanukovych's refusal to sign a landmark EU deal.

On December 16 2013 15:41 darkness wrote:




Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25390654

I've also read that Russia has put some "be careful" pressure. In specific, they are told to have banned Ukraine's chocolate. Clearly, Ukraine is torn apart between EU and Russia. Russia, like communists, wants not to lose power, possibly at all cost. :D And yes, I'm sure what I talk about communists. As you can see, my country had (and still has) to suffer from those morons.

On December 16 2013 15:40 PaleMan wrote:


a lot of ppl become gays or lesbians not because they like it but because it's advertized (just like iPhones) and considered cool to be special

On December 16 2013 16:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Yup, but the chocolate was only the first ban, officially they told that some toxin was found in chocolate, suddenly was found, after 10 years of transitions, afterwords, many other stuff was also banneed, aswell as aircraft engines/milk and food products/light industry products. Many many workfolks been fired due to this export problems. There is no place we can trade our products, Russia was the biggest export country we got, (and still it is), I actually cannot imagine that some German family gonna buy our milk everyday, or some Czech buddies gonna drink ukrainian beer in a pubs, I didn't had an opportunity to collate our products with european analog, but I suppose that european one is at least a bit better. And to improve our production facilities, light and heavy industry, chemical and food industry, we need a huge credit, not sure that Germany gonna agree with that, u guys already have some problems with Greece, Spain and Portugal, which economy is also shitty atm.

On December 16 2013 17:20 Roman666 wrote:

What also Ukraine needs are stable and predictable export partners, not a destination where the whole trade can be stopped overnight. I remember meat embargo Russia placed on Poland, citing lack of certificates. Guess what? Government has changed, with it the line of government towards Russia has changed and embargo was gone.

This is how Russia "negotiates" and "trades" with other countries.

On December 16 2013 17:33 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


Exactly, this is the way how Russian gov. forcing neighbours for "right" decisions about parthnership, but also u should not assault russian ppl, they are the same victims of their gov. as we are here, we are almost equally struggling. The main problem or Ukraine and Russian is totally corrupted politicians, and it's also one interesting thing that 99% of countrys finances been accumulated by 20 richest dudes, the rest 1% of cash splits for 40 million ppl, strange enough?

We are mostly good and kind people, but our politicians are mostly bandits and thieves, that's why I'm srsly thinking about emigration

On December 16 2013 17:54 Feartheguru wrote:


This makes no sense. Do you actually expect Russia to continue to allow themselves to serve as an export market for Ukraine's industry while waving it off into the sunset as it integrates with Europe? Russia is simply telling you, if you go with Europe this is what you will lose, you get to decide what the "right" decision is. Either way you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. There's no "forcing" here, but poor countries with uncompetitive industries get pushed around, fact of life.

On December 16 2013 08:32 Catch]22 wrote:


KwarK, you need to read more RT.com, the newsflash is that Russia (and especially Putin) are shining beacons of freedom, peace and democracy who are under attack by foreign interests. The Ukraine just has to get in on that!

And we have ourselves a Serbian in this very thread who can verify it (using canned anti-US routines nonetheless!).

On December 16 2013 18:44 zeo wrote:

"Ukraine should be left alone to sort this problem out by themselves, and the sovereignty of the country should not be undermined by US politicians coming to Kiev and threatening the country with sanctions if they don't hand over their country" = some Serbian guy using anti-US rhetoric

@Roman666
The point is that no country has the right to interfere in another countries internal affers, McCain said 'Russia has no right to interfere with Ukraine', how is that not irony? Why doesn't Putin go to Mexico and start shit there? Some guy in Saudi Arabia was just sentenced to 4 years in prison and 400 lashings just because he called for a constitutional monarchy, why doesn't McCain go there?

On December 16 2013 17:54 Feartheguru wrote:


This makes no sense. Do you actually expect Russia to continue to allow themselves to serve as an export market for Ukraine's industry while waving it off into the sunset as it integrates with Europe? Russia is simply telling you, if you go with Europe this is what you will lose, you get to decide what the "right" decision is. Either way you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. There's no "forcing" here, but poor countries with uncompetitive industries get pushed around, fact of life.

On December 16 2013 17:54 Feartheguru wrote:


This makes no sense. Do you actually expect Russia to continue to allow themselves to serve as an export market for Ukraine's industry while waving it off into the sunset as it integrates with Europe? Russia is simply telling you, if you go with Europe this is what you will lose, you get to decide what the "right" decision is. Either way you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. There's no "forcing" here, but poor countries with uncompetitive industries get pushed around, fact of life.

On December 16 2013 19:24 Crushinator wrote:


It would be fair to extend the same protectionist measures against Ukraine as it does other EU associated countries, I suppose. But this isn't what Russia does. They will arbitrarily ban things to punish Ukraine, like it does with any country it has diplomatic tensions with. Netherlands had a series of diplomatic incidents with Russia recently, and suddenly a bunch of Dutch products apparently are terribly dangerous to Russian health.

On December 16 2013 20:25 darkness wrote:


As I said, Russia hates to lose power. No Eastern European country really likes Russia in my opinion, we're/they're just forced. (Ex-)communists kind of have no conscience and respect for others who don't share the same opinion.

In fact, I'm thinking that there is some kind of Cold War already. Putin who tries to build up some Eurasian Union and who also gets Edward Snowden under his wing, while the west wants to win Ukraine over. This, and NSA's spying programme. We live in a weird world.

On December 16 2013 21:01 zeo wrote:

I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.
It's easy for people from Stockholm and London to go on about 'muh freedom' but they won't be the ones on the doorstep of a hostile nuclear power, ask Cuba what life is like next to the US. They also need to know that when half the county calls for independence because they don't want to be a part of a country that isn't on Russia's side, guess who will be more than happy to roll in the tanks to 'protect the will of the people'?

EDIT: also, joining NATO would be textbook 'going full retard'

On December 16 2013 21:32 Roman666 wrote:

Hmmm, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined NATO. I did not observe any of their territory violated since they joined. Why Ukraine would go full retard where as these three countries also have, proportionally to their territory, huge ass borders with Russia?