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On August 02 2013 01:50 Thienan567 wrote:
I feel like OP is a subtle troll. Doesn't even post his league/server and doesn't post any replays of himself or pros, uses vods from 2011 looooooooool
I agree, OP also never mentions Vipers, or better Z players for that matter, like Soulkey. Very bad argument, very poor post, feels like bronze league whine: "I wanna make all hydras in every match-up, every game and blizz won't let me waaaaaaaaah, I want BW hydras"...
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Retard OP, cant say much. Says that Hydralisks suck without normal/valid arguments, Another try to complain about balance
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Poor post, I expected more from someone with 2000 + posts.
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Almost every zerg unit sucks when you compare it to the terran/protoss equivalent.
This is by design, and was true in BW as well. Zerg has the best macro mechanics, they can take and saturate bases more quickly than other races, and they have the easiest time massing units. In exchange, their units are much less cost efficient than Terran units, and much less supply efficient than Protoss units. You can't just do a 1:1 comparison of Zerg units to T/P units and conclude they're UP without considering the context of the entire matchup.
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Hydras are not meant to be tanky.... They are there to Deal the Damage fast and destroy the front lines while ultra / roaches tank the damage..... If you are complaining because of the protoss Colo destroying your hydra count or storms get used to it LOL They are meant to be the counter to deal with it.... and if you have an inferior count against gateway units ofcourse you are going to get destroyed..... Roaches though have good armor and High hp and obviously with hydras behind them its a scary army with good surrounds.... Honestly though that strategy should be taking in account the map that you are playing on... if the map is Spread open and you can have room to micro (star station) than the Hydra / roach combo is very good... If you are playing on a map like bel shir vestige with tiny chokes and you funnel yourself in the choke you are going to get destroyed hardcore..... I do think zerg needs something but this is not the answer....
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Hydras are good now, your probably just bronze so your opinion doesn't matter. Just focus on your game, instead of whining.
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On August 02 2013 01:52 Jermstuddog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 01:44 ACrow wrote:On August 02 2013 01:40 Jermstuddog wrote:On August 02 2013 01:36 Thienan567 wrote:On August 02 2013 01:31 Jermstuddog wrote:On August 02 2013 01:24 K3Nyy wrote:
Hydralisks are good. We've watched so many games lately where they're essential in PvZ.
Linking a game where Idra had the smaller army, a terrible concave and supply invested in drones and Corrupters in 2011 doesn't mean that they're bad. I agree that they are incredibly essential in PvZ lately, but as a Zerg player, I never feel they're good. Any fight where you would say they "SHOULD" win tends to go 50/50 IMO. Void Rays beat them often enough that it doesn't feel like a solid win to be using hydra tech vs them, but what else do I have? Gateway units, especially Zealots, seem to tear Hydras apart if you give them a chance, and then there is all the AoE on top of that. When Hydras are countered so hard by things like Archons, Templar, and Colossi, why are they so mediocre against the things they're supposed to be good against? As far as the quality of Idras play in that game, I think you can see his mentality is shot, but that's not the point, the point is WE ARE TOLD HYDRAS ARE SOOOO GOOD VS STALKERS, and clearly, they are not. Do you go pure hydra or something? You do realize zerg has units other than hydra, right? Get some lings/roaches to tank (maybe even ultras) = effective army. Just a question, what league are you? And why link a vod that was 2 years ago when hydras were actually shit and no one used them? I pick that vod so people like you will point out how bad hydras were back then, and it lets me ask you the question, what has changed that would affect the outcome of that fight? Probably not much, you still need some units to tank for the hydras (lings or roaches both would've worked fine in that situation). When you use a unit in a bad way, you should lose. Then you're just getting further and further away from the isolated situation. Z adds roaches, P adds sentries, Z adds infestors, P adds templar. You can criticize their play all day, but the situation never changes, Idra took a hydra army up against a stalked Amy and lost because hydras aren't all that good vs stalkers.
Um yes, that's kinda the point. You can't just take a situation that's made up or shows off bad play and complain about the results. You ALWAYS have to look at army compositions and the handling thereof when considering balance - that's the whole concept of Starcraft (and RTS genre in general). Hydras are not supposed to beat any other units one on one, they are designed as a very high dps support unit that's to be used in conjunction with more tanky units. The definition of a glass cannon. Seriously Hydras are fine right now, they have at least a niche to fill in every matchup.
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On August 02 2013 02:03 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Almost every zerg unit sucks when you compare it to the terran/protoss equivalent. This is by design, and was true in BW as well. Zerg has the best macro mechanics, they can take and saturate bases more quickly than other races, and they have the easiest time massing units. In exchange, their units are much less cost efficient than Terran units, and much less supply efficient than Protoss units. You can't just do a 1:1 comparison of Zerg units to T/P units and conclude they're UP without considering the context of the entire matchup.
Well one thing to note is in BW zerg units were also cheaper and less supply (hydra were 75/25 and 1 supply iirc). So when the unit costs 100/50 and 2 supply, yeah it can be compared to other units.
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A discussion like this will not work with such a biased OP. Thread title could use some work as well 
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