Why not Treat APM like weight classes? - Page 4

Orek

1665 Posts

March 11 2013 20:00 GMT

#61

Or, maybe in a friendly showmatch between pros, something like
Game 1 = no limit
Game 2 = 200 max
Game 3 = 150 max
Game 4 = 100 max
Game 5 = 75 max
Game 6 = 50 max
Game 7 = 25 max

I would totally watch that between 2 pros like Life vs Flash today. Players can laugh at how slow they have to play in later games. It would be hilarious. Unfit for a serious tournament, but interesting for a showmatch.

FatNikE

United Kingdom52 Posts

March 11 2013 20:05 GMT

#62

It would just be pro players doing 1 base all ins and mech/protoss. It'd be the same as now with a lower skillcap... everyone would be a master just playing slower most likely doing toss 1 base all ins since they won't be allowed the apm to manage 2+ bases.

This is a silly idea.

DusTerr

2520 Posts

March 11 2013 20:07 GMT

#63

On March 12 2013 03:50 Antoine wrote:
This could be fun, but I do see a potential problem:

In boxing, MMA, and the like, fighters are weighed once shortly before the event occurs, and there's no risk of them going way over during the fight (maybe a little over just from eating/drinking after the weighin). In StarCraft a player might normally play at like 35 APM, but have a spike in a game where they go up to, say, 43. Would it have to be average APM over the whole game? Would it be up to the player to try to ride the APM line, or should they have to go a class up if they aren't sure whether or not they'll go over the limit with normal play.

This is pretty much my thought too. I don't really see how the APM limit can or would be enforced.

Najda

United States3765 Posts

March 11 2013 20:19 GMT

#64

The difference between weightclass and class by apm is how you get to that number. Weight class is often determined by genetics, and that person will fight at the most optimal weight for his body type. For apm however, it is very rarely limited by any physical qualities, and will generally increase as you get better. There is no realistic way to enforce an apm cap either. Some people were saying a software cap, but that would ruin the game. Imagine spamming out 60 zerglings but then you can't do anything for 30 seconds because you've used all your actions or to a lesser extent if you were just going a little bit faster than normal and it cut out a few key actions which lost you the game. That just doesn't sound entertaining to me.

dani`

Netherlands2402 Posts

March 11 2013 20:24 GMT

#65

GoOdy would rake in the cash at the <100 APM tournaments o_O
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paladin8

United States44 Posts

March 11 2013 20:25 GMT

#66

On March 12 2013 04:30 Targe wrote:

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But why? There are already enough tournaments and all anyone ever wants to watch is either their fan favourite or the best there is, not many people are concerned with low skill players playing low skilled players or high skilled players playing low skilled players. (As you would get if you did this)

That's a valid question and what I interpreted to be the point of this discussion. Would viewers be interested? Would players be interested? The answer may very well be "no." I was just trying to point out that the vast majority of the replies were misunderstanding the OP.

viasacra89

United States134 Posts

March 11 2013 20:26 GMT

#67

Can a mod please close this thread?

Hadley88

Germany267 Posts

March 11 2013 20:27 GMT

#68

On March 12 2013 03:51 Targe wrote:
Because APM != skill?

Exactly this! There a players that SPAM like crazy but still are terrible, because their Macro and decision-making sucks. Its all about efficiency. Look at Polt, he is a pretty slow player but still owns everything. :D

Josri

Netherlands219 Posts

March 11 2013 20:27 GMT

#69

Then people are just gonna "max" their APM on the easiest bracket. I want to see them try everything in their might to be able to win. Not get a diet because if you gain weight it would be too hard.

Belha

Italy2850 Posts

March 11 2013 20:34 GMT

#70

No, it's a silly idea for a shitload of reasons already listed in some comments.

Luiwtf

England217 Posts

March 11 2013 20:35 GMT

#71

What league would I be in then? Some games I'm at like 40APM, others at 70 or so (I suck :D, no idea what league I should be in :p), I imagine this applies to most people (ignoring those that spam to keep their APM high) depending on various things like length of game, how much pressure the other person puts on you, whether you're just macroing mainly with one big battle to end it or whether you're macroing whilst dropping everywhere because the opponent isn't handling that well etc.

iNsaNe-

Finland5201 Posts

March 11 2013 20:41 GMT

#72

On March 12 2013 04:20 grush57 wrote:

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that's retarded and no one would watch that

I don't know, I think it would be funny to watch matches with top-level players where they have to be below 60 APM at all times

Just for the laughs though, nothing serious.

FnaticPink

Denmark324 Posts

March 11 2013 20:44 GMT

#73

Sure man, you go ahead and do it, but I'm not gonna be the one to tell GoOdy!

agahamsorr0w

Netherlands359 Posts

March 11 2013 20:45 GMT

#74

cause zerg would be ranked higher :D

Tigi

Germany472 Posts

March 11 2013 20:48 GMT

#75

Good idea op!

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

March 11 2013 20:48 GMT

#76

On March 12 2013 05:25 paladin8 wrote:

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I agree with you on the interpretation of the OP, however it does look like the OP believes that higher APM leads to skill, whereas in reality they correlate with a large margin of deviation.
Most people in the thread are saying that APM doesn't equal skill because they don't care about what APM a player is, they care about how skilful they are.

dsjoerg

United States384 Posts

March 11 2013 20:50 GMT

#77

Or we just do divisions by age. I will dominate the 40+ division.

MVega

763 Posts

March 11 2013 21:02 GMT

#78

APM really doesn't have much to do with skill. We said this in Brood War, we said this in WarCraft 3, and we're still saying it in StarCraft II. APM just isn't indicative of skill.

The vast majority of APM is just useless spam to either keep up the pace for when something does happen or just to fill in the blank spaces where no efficient actions can be made. If a player was totally efficient and didn't spam then their APM would be pretty low, but they'd be a great player.

fourColo

United States363 Posts

March 11 2013 21:03 GMT

#79

How about playtime divisions? There's folks that have demanding jobs, but would still like to play competitively. They'll almost never be able to compete with anyone who plays ten times more than them though -- even with better practice methods, simple stuff like muscle memory and experience are so important. I think it would be pretty cool for tournaments for people who play < X hours a week or something.

Gospadin

United States84 Posts

March 11 2013 21:08 GMT

#80

On March 12 2013 05:50 dsjoerg wrote:
Or we just do divisions by age. I will dominate the 40+ division.

My hope is there's a 38.8-38.9 division.

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