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On February 12 2013 09:10 BadBinky wrote:
Everyone should have autonomy over their own body. I think it's the most important fundamental human right.
That's why you gotta slice 'em up while they're young and weak!
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On February 12 2013 10:11 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 09:45 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
To fight for women's rights is not fighting for men's rights. It's funny, men's is spelled wrong, while women's right wrong. Lol.
They are not ensuring protection for men, in case there is legislation against men. Which, in parts of the world, THERE IS.
To fight for equality is to fight for equality, not women's or men's right, just rights for fucking everyone.
But hey, trivialize people who fight for men's rights around the world some more, just like the feminists did with the hashtag. Make it a joke when men stand up for themselves. That's feminism, that's how the media and the nation has perceived the hijacking, just some big joke.
Yet, if people were to do the same to the other hashtag, they'd be insta-banned and shit would go down. Sigh. It's not a difficult concept but you're still not getting it. Fighting for equality for one sex on issues where both men and women are involved IS fighting for equality for both sexes. Do you know what equality means? If one sex is equal then both are. It's not fucking hard. Your original argument was to do with the root of the word. I am showing you why that argument sucks balls. It has nothing to do with what's happening today. It's simple semantics. Get some arguing skills. You're as bad if not worse than any feminist I've debated with.
"Equality for one gender is equality for both genders."
I just can't stop laughing.
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On February 12 2013 10:21 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 10:11 Swede wrote:On February 12 2013 09:45 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
To fight for women's rights is not fighting for men's rights. It's funny, men's is spelled wrong, while women's right wrong. Lol.
They are not ensuring protection for men, in case there is legislation against men. Which, in parts of the world, THERE IS.
To fight for equality is to fight for equality, not women's or men's right, just rights for fucking everyone.
But hey, trivialize people who fight for men's rights around the world some more, just like the feminists did with the hashtag. Make it a joke when men stand up for themselves. That's feminism, that's how the media and the nation has perceived the hijacking, just some big joke.
Yet, if people were to do the same to the other hashtag, they'd be insta-banned and shit would go down. Sigh. It's not a difficult concept but you're still not getting it. Fighting for equality for one sex on issues where both men and women are involved IS fighting for equality for both sexes. Do you know what equality means? If one sex is equal then both are. It's not fucking hard. Your original argument was to do with the root of the word. I am showing you why that argument sucks balls. It has nothing to do with what's happening today. It's simple semantics. Get some arguing skills. You're as bad if not worse than any feminist I've debated with. "Equality for one gender is equality for both genders." I just can't stop laughing.
Finish this sentence:
If women are equal to men then men are...
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Finish this sentence:
If circumcision for females is illegal and legal for male, this is _____
See, they fought for women's rights, but not men's rights.
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On February 12 2013 09:44 khaydarin9 wrote:
Obviously, there's medical proxy, and male circumcision is still categorised as a medical procedure. Whether it should be a medical procedure or not is certainly debatable - the most prevalent for the latter would probably be that given contemporary first world health standards, the number of incidents of disease and infection that surgical circumcision was historically designed to prevent is almost negligible. On the other hand, plastic surgery is an accepted type of medical procedure which, in a lot of cases, has nothing to do with the "health" of the individual. It's also worth noting that there are many cases of children born in with minor physical abnormalities where the parents have made the executive decision to have them surgically corrected long before the child has any cognition of it - is that an acceptable practice? Why? Why not?
In the case of physical abnormality, it is more grey. With cutting off of the foreskin however, we are treating as pathological a body part that every male is born with. Since this is a case of unnecessary plastic surgery, I feel it is very wrong to do it to someone who is too young to refuse. There is nothing preventing someone from getting their genitals cut as an adult. A person should have the right to refuse unnecessary plastic surgery on their own body. Infant girls are protected from this by law, while males are not.
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On February 12 2013 11:19 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
Finish this sentence:
If circumcision for females is illegal and legal for male, this is _____
See, they fought for women's rights, but not men's rights.
Sigh. This is a waste of time.
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Imagine thinking that everything is a zero-sum game.
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On February 12 2013 10:11 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 09:45 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
To fight for women's rights is not fighting for men's rights. It's funny, men's is spelled wrong, while women's right wrong. Lol.
They are not ensuring protection for men, in case there is legislation against men. Which, in parts of the world, THERE IS.
To fight for equality is to fight for equality, not women's or men's right, just rights for fucking everyone.
But hey, trivialize people who fight for men's rights around the world some more, just like the feminists did with the hashtag. Make it a joke when men stand up for themselves. That's feminism, that's how the media and the nation has perceived the hijacking, just some big joke.
Yet, if people were to do the same to the other hashtag, they'd be insta-banned and shit would go down. Sigh. It's not a difficult concept but you're still not getting it. Fighting for equality for one sex on issues where both men and women are involved IS fighting for equality for both sexes. Do you know what equality means? If one sex is equal then both are. It's not fucking hard. Your original argument was to do with the root of the word. I am showing you why that argument sucks balls. It has nothing to do with what's happening today. It's simple semantics. Get some arguing skills. You're as bad if not worse than any feminist I've debated with.
You clearly haven't debated with very many feminists, but I think that's for the better, if you wish to remain sane. 
Although I find it kind of sad that just because this guy doesn't know how to legitimately argue everyone in this thread is conveniently ignoring the issues he's bringing up. Whether it's denial or feminist propaganda, it doesn't really matter, just wait until you get dragged through court by some crazy chick who you had consensual sex with who changed her mind 2 weeks later and wants to press charges for "rape". (just an example of the multiple injustices being committed against men that would NEVER be seen as serious if coming from the other side) 
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On February 12 2013 11:51 koreasilver wrote:
Imagine thinking that everything is a zero-sum game.
Delivers again.
I think OP is just a--oh, and please forgive the esoteric language--shit poster. Also the proud OP of the recently-closed general thread on the asteroid that had been proven to be of absolutely no hazard whatsoever weeks ago.
On February 12 2013 11:29 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 11:19 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
Finish this sentence:
If circumcision for females is illegal and legal for male, this is _____
See, they fought for women's rights, but not men's rights. Sigh. This is a waste of time.
Basically my sentiments after going through the thread and hitting this point. This is not a discussion, despite whatever is going on in the fantasy land inside his mind. This is him trying to promote a ludicrously uninformed agenda while being completely oblivious to all the counterarguments, qualifications/elaborations on his statements, and generally a brick wall as far as conversation goes. It's like he just learned what a double standard was. Must refer back to koreasilver's cogent comment on apparently only seeing everything as a zero-sum game.
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Just wait until you get raped by some guy and no one will believe you and/or everyone just thinks you're a slut.
Injustices surrounding rape are not gender-specific.
EDIT: I worded that poorly. I meant: injustices surrounding rape happen to both sexes.
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On February 12 2013 18:03 Aerisky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 11:51 koreasilver wrote:
Imagine thinking that everything is a zero-sum game. Delivers again. I think OP is just a--oh, and please forgive the esoteric language--shit poster. Also the proud OP of the recently-closed general thread on the asteroid that had been proven to be of absolutely no hazard whatsoever weeks ago.
Shitposting. ^^
I like how you attack me, yet provide nothing of intellectual value to the argument. Continue being a useless shitposter some more.
It is not equality to fight for women's right yet ignore men's right. When male circumcision is illegal, just like it is for females, then there will be equality on that subject. To fight exclusively for women's right is not fighting for men's right. How is making circumcision for females illegal yet not for males equality? Oh wait, shitposters can't explain that.
Did women fight for men to be included in the legal definition of rape? Nope, but hey, fighting for women's rights is equality.
What about men's right to abortion?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=505&invol=833
Just gotta let them know before, that's all. They don't get to say, "Hey, now wait a fucking minute, that's my child, as well."
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On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hoodShow nested quote +
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinShow nested quote +In male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Show nested quote +Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Show nested quote +Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more?
Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view.
You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go.
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On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go.
Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it.
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a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes>
I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males.
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On February 12 2013 19:18 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go. Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it. Show nested quote +1
a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes> I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males.
Well, you did ask me to step on your "secular humanism", so I did. Hope you enjoyed 
Well well, we've gone from "The same fucking purpose as foreskin" to "having some similarities". Horray, progress! I was thinking it would never happen to such a caudex.
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On February 12 2013 19:29 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:18 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go. Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it. 1
a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes> I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males. Well, you did ask me to step on your "secular humanism", so I did. Hope you enjoyed Well well, we've gone from "The same fucking purpose as foreskin" to "having some similarities". Horray, progress! I was thinking it would never happen to such a caudex.
Purpose is the same, structure is a little different. They both cover the thing that gives pleasure. I'd like to see you refute that one.
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On February 12 2013 19:33 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:29 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 19:18 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go. Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it. 1
a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes> I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males. Well, you did ask me to step on your "secular humanism", so I did. Hope you enjoyed Well well, we've gone from "The same fucking purpose as foreskin" to "having some similarities". Horray, progress! I was thinking it would never happen to such a caudex. Purpose is the same, structure is a little different. They both cover the thing that gives pleasure. I'd like to see you refute that one.
Once again, irrelvant information. I would pose that the legality of circumcision rests on the effect on circumsised individuals, which depends on the structure, rather than on its teleology.
P.S. At risk of ad-homineming your fragile little ego, I would also like to point out that your self-righteous tone, triumphant arrogance, liberal use of explicatives and constant "come at me bro" attitude puts a rather large dent on your attempt to sound intellectual - there is a difference between enlightened fervour and just being crude. Work on that, will you?
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On February 12 2013 19:44 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:33 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:29 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 19:18 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go. Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it. 1
a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes> I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males. Well, you did ask me to step on your "secular humanism", so I did. Hope you enjoyed Well well, we've gone from "The same fucking purpose as foreskin" to "having some similarities". Horray, progress! I was thinking it would never happen to such a caudex. Purpose is the same, structure is a little different. They both cover the thing that gives pleasure. I'd like to see you refute that one. Once again, irrelvant information. I would pose that the legality of circumcision rests on the effect on circumsised individuals, which depends on the structure, rather than on its teleology. P.S. At risk of ad-homineming your fragile little ego, I would also like to point out that your self-righteous tone, triumphant arrogance, liberal use of explicatives and constant "come at me bro" attitude puts a rather large dent on your attempt to sound intellectual - there is a difference between enlightened fervour and just being crude. Work on that, will you?
How is the purpose of the foreskin/clitoral hood irrelevant in the discussion of circumcision legality?
Keep up the attacks. My ego is at critical HP, I think I need a potion.
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In the case of abortion, it's not that no one cares that it's the guy's child, too, it's more that there is no moral justification for someone to say "Hey, you have to endure nine months of pregnancy, and a lifetime of physical and social consequences of having been pregnant because I want you to." And before you claim that there's equally no moral justification for forcing a man to pay 18 years' worth of child support for a child he didn't want in the first place, consider that whether or not a woman carries the child to term, she'll be enduring a range of physical and psychological changes due to the pregnancy, so it's not that women just get off consequence-free if she does choose to have an abortion. And before you try to claim that if a woman doesn't want to endure consequences, she shouldn't have had sex - neither should men. Everyone should be prepared to accept the consequences - physical, financial, whatever - of their actions.
It would be very inconsistent to say that it's wrong for parents to have executive power over their children's bodies (in situations like circumcision) and then turn around and say that women have no right to decide what happens to their own reproductive systems.
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On February 12 2013 20:07 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:44 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 19:33 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:29 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 19:18 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:On February 12 2013 19:10 Ianuus wrote:On February 12 2013 03:27 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:I'm the way I am because I know no one will be able to come up with an argument using sources against me. When you start calling me names and refuse to use any intelligence, I'm just going to either ignore you or tell you what's up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood
female human anatomy, the clitoral hood (also called preputium clitoridis and clitoral prepuce) is a fold of skin that surrounds and protects the glans of the clitoris; it also covers the external shaft and develops as part of the labia minora and is homologous with the foreskin (equally called prepuce) in male genitals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeskinIn male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus (pron.: /miːˈeɪtəs/) when the penis is not erect. The foreskin is typically retractable over the glans. It is also described as the prepuce, a technically broader term that also includes the clitoral hood in women, to which the foreskin is embryonically homologous. The same fucking purpose as foreskin. Think medical science has been wrong all this time? Well, guess you showed science! Wonder why women have orgasms? It's because men had them, then evolution was like, "oh, let me vacuum this cum up." The penis can be inverted into a vagina, the testicles are the ovaries, they are the same, in a sense. Just one gets testosterone and the other estrogen. Yes, I'm sure that this has nothing to do with all the trolls who are using #IneedMasculism to troll uptight feminists. I guess the feminists are immune from getting banned when they troll. Wonder what makes them so special. Oh, that's right, they have periods and get raped. (Even though, legally, before 2012, men couldn't legally be raped.) Remember, it was the feminist who hijacked the tag and got it national media attention. Not the "trollers". Oh god, do you actually think that that is a result of coporate censorship, rather than an algorithm which displays results based on historic search data? Now I'm seriously not sure if you're trolling or not. That page was getting MASSIVE hits from multiple sites. There is no reason why you could not find the search AT ALL when it's getting massive traffic. P.S. I'm pretty sure you don't know what humanism actually means. I'm a secular humanist. That's my "religion". Want to step on that subject some more? Ok, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what homology is as well; so let me explain. A whale's flipper is homologous to a human hand; yet they have vastly different functions and forms; the human appendix is homologous to a herbivore's cecum, yet cutting one off is a medical procedure and cutting the other would cause immediate trauma, if not death by starvation. Well done on misconstruing quotes and definitions to suit your own skewed world view. You're far from a humanist; you're a failed humanist at best, an pseudo-intellectual phoney at worst. One of the major themes of the humanist movement is the triumph of an individual rational human mind in its ability to objectively analyse facts and evidences in order to make sense of how the world works. You have failed that criterion at every step (the above basterdisation of the meaning of "homology" is just one of them), instead succumbing to a populist movement in which the power of the individual to analyse deeper truths is lost among surface half-truths and irrelvant observations twisted by demagogues to suit their own ends. Humanism isn't just a label you can apply to yourself to seem morally superior to those "dark-age religious nuts"; rational thought won't forgive your sins just because you are willing to pay lip service - you have to earn the right to be a humanist, and you are heading quite opposite to where you're supposed to go. Man, men's rights must REALLY piss some of you guys off. What is with these personal attacks? Why not try to provide an intellectual argument? I've been providing sources for most of my arguments, yet I haven't seen the opposition do so. Keep up the ad hominens; my sides are enjoying it. 1
a : having the same relative position, value, or structure: as (1) : exhibiting biological homology (2) : having the same or allelic genes with genetic loci usually arranged in the same order <homologous chromosomes> I guess the clitoral hood having some similarities to the foreskin is no argument against legal circumcision of males. Well, you did ask me to step on your "secular humanism", so I did. Hope you enjoyed Well well, we've gone from "The same fucking purpose as foreskin" to "having some similarities". Horray, progress! I was thinking it would never happen to such a caudex. Purpose is the same, structure is a little different. They both cover the thing that gives pleasure. I'd like to see you refute that one. Once again, irrelvant information. I would pose that the legality of circumcision rests on the effect on circumsised individuals, which depends on the structure, rather than on its teleology. P.S. At risk of ad-homineming your fragile little ego, I would also like to point out that your self-righteous tone, triumphant arrogance, liberal use of explicatives and constant "come at me bro" attitude puts a rather large dent on your attempt to sound intellectual - there is a difference between enlightened fervour and just being crude. Work on that, will you? How is the purpose of the foreskin/clitoral hood irrelevant in the discussion of circumcision legality? Keep up the attacks. My ego is at critical HP, I think I need a potion.
Because even if its purpose is exactly the same, what happens when you mutilate the organ and the effect it has on the subject may be completely different. For example - if you cut off a tail of some species of lizard, it ain't even mad and will regenerate it. If you cut off the tail of a cat, it's pretty much fucked. Thus, even if in both species the primary purpose of tails are for balance, one could make a case of the legality of lizard tail mutiliation over cat tail mutiliation.
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