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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 15 2018 21:26 GMT
#198321
He isn't even going out! He could just make others feel uncomfortable for him
Something witty
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5082 Posts
February 15 2018 21:29 GMT
#198322
Actually he gave a short speech from the White House.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2018 21:30 GMT
#198323
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
February 15 2018 21:30 GMT
#198324
So infowars of course spread a bunch of false information about the shooter. He's a democrat, antifa, etc, etc, all the usual stuff. Along with a supposed photo of him wearing a communist shirt....except that's not him it's just some random guy. People are reaching out to that kid who's photo they falsely spread and gathering evidence in an effort to bring a lawsuit against infowars. Hopefully they get turned into gawker.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 15 2018 21:30 GMT
#198325
Giving a speech and then taking zero questions is a pretty safe space.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 15 2018 21:35 GMT
#198326
On February 16 2018 06:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:
So infowars of course spread a bunch of false information about the shooter. He's a democrat, antifa, etc, etc, all the usual stuff. Along with a supposed photo of him wearing a communist shirt....except that's not him it's just some random guy. People are reaching out to that kid who's photo they falsely spread and gathering evidence in an effort to bring a lawsuit against infowars. Hopefully they get turned into gawker.


Someone said the shooter has a pic with a MAGA hat on?

Got to love how Infowars just can lie to everyone and people believe it
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 15 2018 21:37 GMT
#198327
Info wars is still on youtube, right? They still cover that clown’s bandwidth costs?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
February 15 2018 21:38 GMT
#198328
On February 16 2018 06:35 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 06:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:
So infowars of course spread a bunch of false information about the shooter. He's a democrat, antifa, etc, etc, all the usual stuff. Along with a supposed photo of him wearing a communist shirt....except that's not him it's just some random guy. People are reaching out to that kid who's photo they falsely spread and gathering evidence in an effort to bring a lawsuit against infowars. Hopefully they get turned into gawker.


Someone said the shooter has a pic with a MAGA hat on?

Got to love how Infowars just can lie to everyone and people believe it


He does, he was literally every stereotype of T_D distilled into one human. But they made up some other bullshit and ran with it implicating a completely innocent person. I hope with every fiber of my being that Alex Jones and infowars are brought to their knees.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2018 21:42 GMT
#198329
How has Google/YouTube not banned InfoWars from their site and platform is beyond me.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 15 2018 21:50 GMT
#198330
Slippery slope, free speech and all that. The terrifying possibility that Google care about something else besides profit long enough to make a decision. Likely the same with Twitter and Facebook too. Look forward to the conspiracy theories that this is all a hoax and years of the parents being harassed, because it never stopped for Sandy Hook.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
February 15 2018 21:55 GMT
#198331
There's a 'second shooter' rumour going around on infowars too. If ever I wanted Anonymous to hit a website it would be now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 15 2018 21:55 GMT
#198332
On February 16 2018 06:50 Plansix wrote:
Slippery slope, free speech and all that. The terrifying possibility that Google care about something else besides profit long enough to make a decision. Likely the same with Twitter and Facebook too. Look forward to the conspiracy theories that this is all a hoax and years of the parents being harassed, because it never stopped for Sandy Hook.

I had to indulge myself a little. On the front page of Alex Jones's YT channel there was a video titled "Probability Florida Attack False Flag For Civil War - 90%".
Half of the comments it seemed were calling him out for being an idiot. Or maybe they just pulled in some unusual outside traffic for their shit reporting like I was.It was still a bit nice to see regardless.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
February 15 2018 21:56 GMT
#198333
On February 16 2018 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
There's a 'second shooter' rumour going around on infowars too. If ever I wanted Anonymous to hit a website it would be now.


Anonymous said they have info on the author of the infowars article. Hopefully sparks start flying.
LiquidDota Staff
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32761 Posts
February 15 2018 21:57 GMT
#198334
Would be a little cosmic justice if a billionaire (how fun it would be if it were Soros) funded a legal war against InfoWars to bring it down, a la Peter Thiel style. Not that I necessarily want billionaires shutting down opposing media outlets as a personal hobby, but InfoWars is so beyond journalism or truth-telling it would be a favour to the world to accomplish such a thing.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 15 2018 21:57 GMT
#198335
Yea the far right is completely out of their minds. They're trying to say this is a left conspiracy once again, just like the las vegas shooting. Those people have no compassion or brains.
Life?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 15 2018 21:59 GMT
#198336
On February 16 2018 06:55 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 06:50 Plansix wrote:
Slippery slope, free speech and all that. The terrifying possibility that Google care about something else besides profit long enough to make a decision. Likely the same with Twitter and Facebook too. Look forward to the conspiracy theories that this is all a hoax and years of the parents being harassed, because it never stopped for Sandy Hook.

I had to indulge myself a little. On the front page of Alex Jones's YT channel there was a video titled "Probability Florida Attack False Flag For Civil War - 90%".
Half of the comments it seemed were calling him out for being an idiot. Or maybe they just pulled in some unusual outside traffic for their shit reporting like I was.It was still a bit nice to see regardless.

It doesn’t matter though. Comments and likes have no impact. He has a platform and his conspiracy theories will continue to spread and gain viewers. And Google will never face any liability for spreading his garbage.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
February 15 2018 21:59 GMT
#198337
On February 16 2018 06:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Would be a little cosmic justice if a billionaire (how fun it would be if it were Soros) funded a legal war against InfoWars to bring it down, a la Peter Thiel style. Not that I necessarily want billionaires shutting down opposing media outlets as a personal hobby, but InfoWars is so beyond journalism or truth-telling it would be a favour to the world to accomplish such a thing.


Chobani, the yogurt company, sued him for defamation. He made some video that was pretty funny because it was very obvious that he was deathly terrified of being sued out of existence. That guy according to google is worth almost 2 billion, hopefully he bankrolls that kid.
LiquidDota Staff
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
February 15 2018 22:03 GMT
#198338
On February 16 2018 06:56 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2018 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
There's a 'second shooter' rumour going around on infowars too. If ever I wanted Anonymous to hit a website it would be now.


Anonymous said they have info on the author of the infowars article. Hopefully sparks start flying.


Yeah I've seen the guy's Twitter who wrote all that shit. Its already been completely debunked but he's carrying on quite aggressively with it. I'm not going to post his Twitter account here because TL deserves better than having that shit linked on here.
I would never approve of mobbing or doxing but twitter need to get rid of his account right now at least.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-15 22:13:18
February 15 2018 22:12 GMT
#198339
Since free speech is cropping up again (Infowars), I thought this article from Techdirt did a good job of laying out kind of where we are at in regards to free speech and the modern world. It also has the advantage of being from a strongly pro-free speech source, but with that actually meaning something rather than someone looking for an excuse to dunk on liberals.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180124/11124039076/censorship-weaponizing-free-speech-rethinking-how-marketplace-ideas-works.shtml


It should be no surprise that I'm an unabashed supporter of free speech. Usually essays that start that way are then followed with a "but..." and that "but..." undermines everything in that opening sentence. This is not such an essay. However, I am going to talk about some interesting challenges that have been facing our concepts of free speech over the past few years -- often in regards to how free speech and the internet interact. Back in 2015, at our Copia Summit we had a panel that tried to lay out some of these challenges, which acknowledged that our traditional concepts of free speech don't fully work in the internet age.

[...]

In the past couple of months, two very interesting pieces have been written on this that are pushing my thinking much further as well. The first is a Yale Law Journal piece by Nabiha Syed entitled Real Talk About Fake News: Towards a Better Theory for Platform Governance. Next week, we'll have Syed on our podcast to talk about this paper, but in it she points out that there are limitations and problems with the idea of the "marketplace of ideas" working the way many of us have assumed it should work. She also notes that other frameworks for thinking about free speech appear to have similar deficiencies when we are in an online world. In particular, the nature of the internet -- in which the scale and speed and ability to amplify a message are so incredibly different than basically at any other time in history -- is that it enables a sort of "weaponizing" of these concepts.

That is, those who wish to abuse the concept of the marketplace of ideas by aggressively pushing misleading or deliberately misguided concepts are able to do so in a manner that short-circuits our concept of the marketplace of ideas -- all while claiming to support it.

The second piece, which is absolutely worth reading and thinking about carefully, is Zeynep Tufekci's Wired piece entitled It's the (Democracy-Poisoning) Golden Age of Free Speech. I was worried -- from the title -- that this might be the standard rant I've been reading about free speech somehow being "dangerous" that has become tragically popular over the past few years. But (and this is not surprising, given Tufekci's previous careful consideration of these issues for years) it's a truly thought provoking piece, in some ways building upon the framework that Syed laid out in her piece, noting how some factions are, in effect, weaponizing the very concept of the "marketplace of ideas" to insist they support it, while undermining the very premise behind it (that "good" speech outweighs the bad).

In particular, she notes that while the previous scarcity was the ability to amplify speech, the current scarcity is attention -- and thus, the ability to flood the zone with bad/wrong/dangerous speech can literally act as a denial of service on the supposedly corrective "good speech." She notes that the way censorship used to work was by stifling the message. Traditional censorship is blocking the ability to get the message out. But modern censorship actually leverages the platforms of free speech to drown out other messages.


Anyways has some points that really stuck with me, mainly how the scarcity has changed from the ability to amplify speech to the limitations from attention and what that means for something we consider the "marketplace of ideas".
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-15 22:14:55
February 15 2018 22:14 GMT
#198340
Dunno if this was posted, but it's relevant to the current conversation.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nikolas-cruz-maga-nikolaus-trump-politics-democrat-republican/


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