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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 06 2018 01:41 GMT
#197101
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14203 Posts
February 06 2018 01:54 GMT
#197102
On February 06 2018 10:31 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 08:31 Sermokala wrote:
Bitcoin has gotten pretty bad. In between its massive energy footprint and its huge transaction fees Its not an ideal replacement of anything but beacuse it was the first big one its the only relevent crypto coin currently. Hopefully its just a slow transition to other coins but any down valuation with bitcoin is good for everyone now.


Crypto coins don't serve any purpose apart from buying illegal stuff. The transfer costs are high, the energy usage is high, removing the middle man is not a feature but a bug as it erodes trust, they're unstable as hell because there's no central bank and so forth.

Also the privacy proposition is inversed in a weird way. The entire ledger is public which means once you are identified everything you did is public, while a single transaction is anonymous. Pretty much everybody who cares about privacy in finance wants the exact opposite. I want to know who I'm buying from but I don't want my entire history public

Well not entirely. There are new coins were the transfer costs are almost nill and the energy useage is only in the mineing. I agree the market is probably only a thing right now to allow people to get around financial sanctions and to commit crimes but its not the only thing they're used for.

Plus people love air bnb and uber. Millennials are okay with selling out as long as they can buy in.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
February 06 2018 01:55 GMT
#197103
On February 06 2018 10:22 Plansix wrote:


If anyone wants a preview of what congress is going to look like when crisis hits, watch PA. This is the current GOP brand: fuck the rule of law, win by any means necessary.

This needs more attention. The GOP right now is the party of law and order, but only and exactly insofar as it's convenient for them. Nothing's wrong with the system when they get to have their way with the congressional map, but judges find that it's unacceptable and now suddenly they need to be impeached and replaced.

This isn't a fucking dictatorship. Your governance is supposed to be challenged. When you start ignoring the rule of law for personal and political convenience, that's a slippery slope. I won't mention any names here.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
February 06 2018 01:57 GMT
#197104
The government shuts down at the end of this week, FYI.

Time for Shutdown Showdown 2!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 06 2018 02:00 GMT
#197105
Don't worry Schumer will cave.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 06 2018 02:02 GMT
#197106
On February 06 2018 10:55 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 10:22 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/960667621598416896

If anyone wants a preview of what congress is going to look like when crisis hits, watch PA. This is the current GOP brand: fuck the rule of law, win by any means necessary.

This needs more attention. The GOP right now is the party of law and order, but only and exactly insofar as it's convenient for them. Nothing's wrong with the system when they get to have their way with the congressional map, but judges find that it's unacceptable and now suddenly they need to be impeached and replaced.

This isn't a fucking dictatorship. Your governance is supposed to be challenged. When you start ignoring the rule of law for personal and political convenience, that's a slippery slope. I won't mention any names here.

I'm just glad my Governor is a Dem so they can't go full bullshit crazy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 02:16:49
February 06 2018 02:09 GMT
#197107
On February 06 2018 11:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Don't worry Schumer will cave.

“Democrats shut down government for illegal immigrants” is a hell of a thing to run against. And the Trump administration is set on weaponizing the shut down by forcing workers to work without pay. And Trump won’t tweet, just like last time.

And the bill will die in the house. Ryan is not in control there, but he won’t let it come to a vote for sure. The will to deport these people in the GOP is so strong it’s worth losing an election.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24323 Posts
February 06 2018 02:22 GMT
#197108
Wasn't the acceptance of caving the first time predicated on the idea that it would force the GOP to cave this time?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 06 2018 02:23 GMT
#197109
On February 06 2018 11:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Wasn't the acceptance of caving the first time predicated on the idea that it would force the GOP to cave this time?

That's the only reason I was cool with it. I'll wait until it happens. But if they break again, I don't see the point of them even existing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 06 2018 02:26 GMT
#197110
On February 06 2018 11:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Wasn't the acceptance of caving the first time predicated on the idea that it would force the GOP to cave this time?

No. They got CHIP by default because the GOP used it as a bargaining tool and then went on full illegal immigrant attack against the dreamers. I think everyone underestimated the will to deport them within the conservatives. Including myself. I don’t think they will every back down.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
February 06 2018 02:38 GMT
#197111
On February 06 2018 11:26 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Wasn't the acceptance of caving the first time predicated on the idea that it would force the GOP to cave this time?

No. They got CHIP by default because the GOP used it as a bargaining tool and then went on full illegal immigrant attack against the dreamers. I think everyone underestimated the will to deport them within the conservatives. Including myself. I don’t think they will every back down.


I guess the blessing is that the court ruling has stalled the measure and forced them to continue approving so basically if everyone just renews now they buy themselves 2 years which is enough time for a democratic house to basically just keep putting this issue on his desk and he wont be able to veto it.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 03:27:16
February 06 2018 03:19 GMT
#197112
On February 06 2018 10:54 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 10:31 Nyxisto wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:31 Sermokala wrote:
Bitcoin has gotten pretty bad. In between its massive energy footprint and its huge transaction fees Its not an ideal replacement of anything but beacuse it was the first big one its the only relevent crypto coin currently. Hopefully its just a slow transition to other coins but any down valuation with bitcoin is good for everyone now.


Crypto coins don't serve any purpose apart from buying illegal stuff. The transfer costs are high, the energy usage is high, removing the middle man is not a feature but a bug as it erodes trust, they're unstable as hell because there's no central bank and so forth.

Also the privacy proposition is inversed in a weird way. The entire ledger is public which means once you are identified everything you did is public, while a single transaction is anonymous. Pretty much everybody who cares about privacy in finance wants the exact opposite. I want to know who I'm buying from but I don't want my entire history public

Well not entirely. There are new coins were the transfer costs are almost nill and the energy useage is only in the mineing. I agree the market is probably only a thing right now to allow people to get around financial sanctions and to commit crimes but its not the only thing they're used for.

Plus people love air bnb and uber. Millennials are okay with selling out as long as they can buy in.


The reason why bitcoins transaction fees is high is because of it's decentralized nature and small block size. That was the essential selling point. The crypto currencies with small transaction fees are centralised by companies. You've essentially got yourself a private central bank, which ups the speed and lowers the costs, but ends the decentralization.

That's the important point, there's a fundamental trade-off between efficiency, scale, and decentralization. And people really will just use a transaction free bank or company instead of paying 20 bucks for decentralised currency. Bitcoin was created on some hyper-libertarian ideas that very few people care about.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 06 2018 04:58 GMT
#197113
So can we all agree that Trump, having voluntarily taken full ownership of the stock market's performance, owns today's record setting drop?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 06 2018 05:01 GMT
#197114
On February 04 2018 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 08:58 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:


That's actually pretty cheap for something like that. Hillary had plenty where it was upwards of $30k minimum* (I think the highest was a minimum of ~$340,000 iirc) for a plate. The significant difference is typically it's at a friends place to boost their status and financial opportunities, Trump isn't a big sharer though. Which is probably part of why they want it raised in smaller increments. Coincidentally precisely at the cap for a primary and general for a personal campaign.

@Doodsmack I find myself curious about why you find it worthy of note?


Just because it benefits his business.


Would it make you feel better if it was his friend's?


I assume that Trump is the first one to do this sort of thing while he is the President. And I would actually say it would make a difference if it was his friend's. Trump, being a billionaire businessman, is uniquely greedy and corrupt.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
February 06 2018 05:16 GMT
#197115
On February 06 2018 13:58 Doodsmack wrote:
So can we all agree that Trump, having voluntarily taken full ownership of the stock market's performance, owns today's record setting drop?

Nah he'll just blame that one on Obama
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 06 2018 05:17 GMT
#197116
On February 06 2018 14:01 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 04 2018 08:58 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/fla_pol/status/959838981809680386


That's actually pretty cheap for something like that. Hillary had plenty where it was upwards of $30k minimum* (I think the highest was a minimum of ~$340,000 iirc) for a plate. The significant difference is typically it's at a friends place to boost their status and financial opportunities, Trump isn't a big sharer though. Which is probably part of why they want it raised in smaller increments. Coincidentally precisely at the cap for a primary and general for a personal campaign.

@Doodsmack I find myself curious about why you find it worthy of note?


Just because it benefits his business.


Would it make you feel better if it was his friend's?


I assume that Trump is the first one to do this sort of thing while he is the President. And I would actually say it would make a difference if it was his friend's. Trump, being a billionaire businessman, is uniquely greedy and corrupt.


It's fake news.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 06 2018 05:25 GMT
#197117
Clearly the media is using the russia investigation and the stock market decline to take our minds off the real problems, illegal immigrants killing and raping all our women while taking all our jobs, and enacting sharia law.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24323 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 05:30:25
February 06 2018 05:25 GMT
#197118
On February 06 2018 14:01 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 04 2018 08:58 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 04 2018 06:17 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/fla_pol/status/959838981809680386


That's actually pretty cheap for something like that. Hillary had plenty where it was upwards of $30k minimum* (I think the highest was a minimum of ~$340,000 iirc) for a plate. The significant difference is typically it's at a friends place to boost their status and financial opportunities, Trump isn't a big sharer though. Which is probably part of why they want it raised in smaller increments. Coincidentally precisely at the cap for a primary and general for a personal campaign.

@Doodsmack I find myself curious about why you find it worthy of note?


Just because it benefits his business.


Would it make you feel better if it was his friend's?


I assume that Trump is the first one to do this sort of thing while he is the President. And I would actually say it would make a difference if it was his friend's. Trump, being a billionaire businessman, is uniquely greedy and corrupt.


I'm not sure what you mean by "this sort of thing" but in most ways I can imagine, no he's not the first.

So if it was at Sheldon Adelson's hotel you would think that would be better/acceptable somehow? What exactly is your objection to what Trump is doing with this fundraiser again?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 05:34:02
February 06 2018 05:33 GMT
#197119
That and because Texas ranchers, and farms are losing the battle against drought and other problems such as the nation eating less beef etc. So Wind farms are a life saver for keeping their lands. They make money no matter what.

While Texas is most often associated with fossil fuels and conservative politics, it’s also earning a reputation as a leader in renewable energy integration.

For years, Texas has led the United States in installed wind capacity, thanks to a $7 billion investment in transmission lines linking windy West Texas to load centers the state approved back in 2007. Since then, the state has seen sustained growth in wind energy with few integration issues to speak of. The Texas grid, operated by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), has seen sustained levels of wind energy penetration above 40 percent for hours at a time without significant issues.

But of course, the wind isn’t always blowing hard enough to cover 40 percent of Texas’ electricity needs. What really matters is the amount of energy renewables provide over the entire year. That’s what’s so remarkable about the numbers that have been coming out of Texas in recent years.

Last year, Texas generated 18 percent of its energy from wind and solar — with wind providing the vast majority of total renewable generation. The 18 percent number matters because for years critics of renewable energy have argued that grid costs and reliability will spiral out of control before we hit 20 percent wind and solar. But in Texas, retail electricity prices have actually decreased, coming in well below the U.S. average.

Part of the reason Texas’ renewable integration achievements are such a big deal is that the Texas grid is essentially completely isolated from the other U.S. grids. The United States has three synchronous power grids: the Eastern Interconnection, the Western Interconnection, and the Texas Interconnection. The only electrical connection between the Texas grid and the other U.S. grids is direct current lines that carry relatively little power. There’s no tricks here — every bit of renewable energy produced in Texas has to be transmitted and balanced within the state. (Other big wind energy producers, like Denmark, have the advantage of being able to exchange power with neighboring grids, making integration easier).

You might be thinking that Texas’ hosting capacity for wind and solar might be nearly saturated. Sure, the state has integrated a lot of wind so far without any major problems, but are people building new wind and solar plants? The answer is a definitive yes.

As of December 31, 2017, Texas had 8,720 megawatts of new wind capacity and 1,952 megawatts of new solar capacity in the interconnection queue, the list of new generation projects seeking approval to interconnect to the transmission grid. Wind energy is still getting built at a much faster rate than solar, because it still has a lower levelized cost of energy (as little as 3 cents per kilowatt-hour) than utility-scale solar (about 4-5 cents per kilowatt-hour). However, solar is on the rise with nearly twice the current amount of installed solar capacity planned to be operational by 2020.

Texas is poised to achieve the storied 20 percent renewable energy barrier without the out-of-control costs and stability critics still fret about. That doesn't mean that going beyond 20 percent will be easy — but the Texas experience gives reason be skeptical of experts that claim to know the true barriers to renewable integration.

Over the coming years, battery storage costs will decline, electric demand will become more flexible, renewables will become more "dispatchable," and grid operators will get better and better at integrating renewable energy. Given these convergent trends, I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised at just how much renewable energy Texas and others will be able to integrate effectively over the coming decades.


Source
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 06 2018 06:12 GMT
#197120
When there’s a will there’s a way... it’s yahoo but lol

https://www.yahoo.com/news/yup-sean-hannity-found-way-043952694.html

Yup. Sean Hannity Found A Way To Blame Obama For The Stock Market Drop

President Barack Obama left office more than a year ago, but that didn’t stop Fox News host Sean Hannity from blaming him for the stock market slide.

On his Fox News radio show on Monday, Hannity said the market drop ― which at its worst saw the Dow industrials plunge by nearly 1,600 points and closing down 1,175 points for the day ― wasn’t the fault of President Donald Trump.

It’s his predecessor that’s to blame.

“Because the Obama economy was so weak all of these years, we had just artificially cheap money,” Hannity said, referring to a Fox News analysis he had seen on the cable network.

He explained that “cheap money” is from borrowing at “ridiculously low rates,” which he added must now end.
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