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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46229 Posts
February 05 2018 22:16 GMT
#197081
On February 06 2018 07:04 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 07:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:56 LegalLord wrote:
A mere 1100 points down by closing. Going to need a lot more than that before we can start getting excited...


As someone who owns stocks, excitement isn't the word I'd use


A tanking market has opportunity. I've been living off Amazon's success for a bit but this is a great opportunity.


Do you think the current market correction will drop stocks so low that they'll become attractive pickups? I guess it depends how much longer we're in a bull market for, after the correction ends and the rise resumes?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-05 22:24:31
February 05 2018 22:23 GMT
#197082
Ideally we’ll have some real crash more significant than mere interest rate corrections. This ain’t big enough to please anyone. What we really need is at least one or two major banks to go under or something.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 05 2018 22:29 GMT
#197083
Can we not? I cleaned up after one economic crisis where a bunch of banks failed. The “investors” that come to take their place and deal with the mess are too stupid to exist in anything economic implosion. I don’t want to do it again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
February 05 2018 23:16 GMT
#197084
On February 06 2018 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
On the bright side, Bitcoin is genuinely and fairly consistently tanking. Down another 12% today.

I don't remember, do you think Bitcoin is a scam? Or is that just anything to do with Elon Musk?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
February 05 2018 23:21 GMT
#197085
First, there’s a bit of a myth that through indirect holdings, like holdings of stock in a pension fund, the stock market has become democratized, and everyone’s all in. Not so. Wolff’s data shows that while stock ownership has increased over the past few decades, in 2013 (his most recent data point), less than half — 46 percent — of households owned stocks, either directly or through their holdings in some sort of fund (e.g., a retirement account). Contrast that with the 94 percent ownership rate of the top 1 percent.

But even that 46 percent ownership rate gets misunderstood, because it doesn’t differentiate how much stock is owned by different income classes. Less than a third of all households hold at least $10,000 in stocks, compared to 93 percent of those households in the top 1 percent.

The figures below show that, since the late 1980s, about 80 percent of the value of the market has been held by the top 10 percent. Within that top 10 percent, the share of stock wealth held by the top 1 percent is about equal to the share held by the 90-99th percentiles; both groups’ shares are twice as large as the share that the entire bottom 90 percent holds.


Source

I say bring on the crash, it's happening in our lifetimes regardless, so better sooner than later imo. If you're worried about how the crash will impact your wealth, just join most Americans in not caring because you don't own any (significant) share.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 05 2018 23:22 GMT
#197086
On February 06 2018 08:16 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
On the bright side, Bitcoin is genuinely and fairly consistently tanking. Down another 12% today.

I don't remember, do you think Bitcoin is a scam? Or is that just anything to do with Elon Musk?

Just your standard fomo
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14159 Posts
February 05 2018 23:31 GMT
#197087
Bitcoin has gotten pretty bad. In between its massive energy footprint and its huge transaction fees Its not an ideal replacement of anything but beacuse it was the first big one its the only relevent crypto coin currently. Hopefully its just a slow transition to other coins but any down valuation with bitcoin is good for everyone now.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 05 2018 23:34 GMT
#197088
On February 06 2018 08:16 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
On the bright side, Bitcoin is genuinely and fairly consistently tanking. Down another 12% today.

I don't remember, do you think Bitcoin is a scam? Or is that just anything to do with Elon Musk?

I don’t think I’ve ever commented on Bitcoin before. Quite sure I never called it a scam.

Still, I wouldn’t mind seeing it crash, if only for the funsies.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
February 05 2018 23:35 GMT
#197089
On February 06 2018 07:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 07:04 Adreme wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:56 LegalLord wrote:
A mere 1100 points down by closing. Going to need a lot more than that before we can start getting excited...


As someone who owns stocks, excitement isn't the word I'd use


A tanking market has opportunity. I've been living off Amazon's success for a bit but this is a great opportunity.


Do you think the current market correction will drop stocks so low that they'll become attractive pickups? I guess it depends how much longer we're in a bull market for, after the correction ends and the rise resumes?


The big question is what happens Thursday and Friday. Tomorrow I dont expect much or even a very modest rise/fall, but I won't pretend to know what will happen Thursday or Friday. The global markets are an okay indicator, but remember at it's core is based on overall good economic data which bodes well for a lot of stocks. The job number was slightly lower than expected but that wage growth was really surprising and surprises spook people.

Maybe I'm wrong and the market is always full of surprises but this reminds me more of 2016 than 2008 where the market is just overreacting and is not as bad off as it thinks it is. There just isn't a thing to pull the economy down at the moment. There are things that could in a couple years but not yet. In a month or two I expect a new record high so yes stocks are going to be undervalued
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46229 Posts
February 05 2018 23:53 GMT
#197090
On February 06 2018 08:35 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 07:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:04 Adreme wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:56 LegalLord wrote:
A mere 1100 points down by closing. Going to need a lot more than that before we can start getting excited...


As someone who owns stocks, excitement isn't the word I'd use


A tanking market has opportunity. I've been living off Amazon's success for a bit but this is a great opportunity.


Do you think the current market correction will drop stocks so low that they'll become attractive pickups? I guess it depends how much longer we're in a bull market for, after the correction ends and the rise resumes?


The big question is what happens Thursday and Friday. Tomorrow I dont expect much or even a very modest rise/fall, but I won't pretend to know what will happen Thursday or Friday. The global markets are an okay indicator, but remember at it's core is based on overall good economic data which bodes well for a lot of stocks. The job number was slightly lower than expected but that wage growth was really surprising and surprises spook people.

Maybe I'm wrong and the market is always full of surprises but this reminds me more of 2016 than 2008 where the market is just overreacting and is not as bad off as it thinks it is. There just isn't a thing to pull the economy down at the moment. There are things that could in a couple years but not yet. In a month or two I expect a new record high so yes stocks are going to be undervalued


That's what I think as well, as I try to be as unbiased as possible

I'm kind of surprised that there doesn't seem to be a popular stock market thread on TL.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
February 06 2018 00:05 GMT
#197091
Black Lives Matter protesters scaled the gates of city hall in protest of injustice



+ Show Spoiler +
My bad, that's just people celebrating winning a game
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
February 06 2018 00:27 GMT
#197092
On February 06 2018 08:34 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 08:16 ChristianS wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
On the bright side, Bitcoin is genuinely and fairly consistently tanking. Down another 12% today.

I don't remember, do you think Bitcoin is a scam? Or is that just anything to do with Elon Musk?

I don’t think I’ve ever commented on Bitcoin before. Quite sure I never called it a scam.

Still, I wouldn’t mind seeing it crash, if only for the funsies.

Ah, that's why I don't remember. Thanks, and sorry for off-topic
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 06 2018 00:29 GMT
#197093


Yeah, no one is shocked this isn’t popular.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 06 2018 00:34 GMT
#197094
On February 06 2018 09:29 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/HorsleyScott/status/960663961413849089

Yeah, no one is shocked this isn’t popular.


Why wouldn't people want this? I don't get it at all... it's not like this would be abused at all
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 06 2018 00:42 GMT
#197095
On February 06 2018 09:34 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 09:29 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/HorsleyScott/status/960663961413849089

Yeah, no one is shocked this isn’t popular.


Why wouldn't people want this? I don't get it at all... it's not like this would be abused at all

Because this administration is anti labor. The entire Republicans party is anti labor, tbh. This is what happens when you bring in all “Washington Outsiders”, they try to pull all the shit they wish could pull but for the government.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
February 06 2018 00:55 GMT
#197096
If it passed it would be good for your guys' portfolios though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 06 2018 00:59 GMT
#197097
On February 06 2018 09:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
If it passed it would be good for your guys' portfolios though.


wouldn't that only be true for people with stock in businesses that involve tips?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 01:06:52
February 06 2018 01:02 GMT
#197098
On February 06 2018 05:09 Plansix wrote:

Found the tutorial video for State of the Unions in a few years. Zero traitors to be seen here.



Jong-Un executes traitors by firing anti-aircraft guns at them but maybe you could use tomahawks or the new navy railguns for more dramatic effect.

Neosteel Enthusiast
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-06 01:27:43
February 06 2018 01:22 GMT
#197099


If anyone wants a preview of what congress is going to look like when crisis hits, watch PA. This is the current GOP brand: fuck the rule of law, win by any means necessary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 06 2018 01:31 GMT
#197100
On February 06 2018 08:31 Sermokala wrote:
Bitcoin has gotten pretty bad. In between its massive energy footprint and its huge transaction fees Its not an ideal replacement of anything but beacuse it was the first big one its the only relevent crypto coin currently. Hopefully its just a slow transition to other coins but any down valuation with bitcoin is good for everyone now.


Crypto coins don't serve any purpose apart from buying illegal stuff. The transfer costs are high, the energy usage is high, removing the middle man is not a feature but a bug as it erodes trust, they're unstable as hell because there's no central bank and so forth.

Also the privacy proposition is inversed in a weird way. The entire ledger is public which means once you are identified everything you did is public, while a single transaction is anonymous. Pretty much everybody who cares about privacy in finance wants the exact opposite. I want to know who I'm buying from but I don't want my entire history public
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