US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9826

On February 02 2018 09:15 Danglars wrote:

US conservatives on UK: Hmm, all the anti-Brexit diatribes sound an awful lot of what Democrats accuse the Republicans of. Nativism, racism, zenophobia.

Oh, look. Brexit won. And Leaver are being made out to be evil and stupid at the same time.

On February 02 2018 10:13 Danglars wrote:

Why hold a referendum followed by resigning? Cause-Effect, New Cause-Effect. Also known as "Never mind about our latest egg on our face, let's remember that our population is inconsiderate newbs and we must govern on their behalf, as they are too stupid to act in their own best interest."

Then when they get called on their elitism, they take solace in the fact that their opponents did not win an enduring victory. That's fine, it's the pendulum of politics. The poor stroke is forgetting the original cause and focusing on the follow-up.

On February 02 2018 13:14 iamthedave wrote:


And true to form, US Conservatives end up sounding really ignorant.

The comparison isn't valid in the least. It'd take an extremely long post to explain the social - and it's far more social than economic, since even the rosiest predictions say we'll take a huge economic hit from Brexit - circumstances and cultural rationale and forces that led to the Brexit vote. I could do that post but it doesn't seem appropriate for the US politics thread. But the tl;dr is that the entire cultural mentality is different and this was something that had been building for over two decades. And I'm one of the people who minimises the racial element because I genuinely believe it was a minor thing, and it's demonstrable by the fact the BNP is still utterly despised and not growing, and UKIP essentially died the day after the vote. Our racists felt they had their great day in the sun... and we immediately ushered them back into their holes with our newspapers. For that matter, our Conservatives did the ushering.

Pretty much the only valid point of comparison is that the leave campaign was better organised than the remain campaign was full of lying liars telling lies that some people foolishly believed. And they 100% were lying because they later backtracked on the exact things they lied about. That and Nigel Farage is definitely our version of Donald Trump. Only able to speak in coherent sentences. And poorer. And - ironically - nowhere near as popular, despite being a populist.

You're not referring to David Cameron there, are you? That would be very embarrassing if you were.

On February 02 2018 12:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


The GOP is about making the country more white and corporate friendly. It's peak Boomer.

On February 02 2018 15:14 PeTraSoHot wrote:

I hear this a lot and I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Can anyone back this up in any meaningful way?

*Note:
- Enforcing immigration laws that have been around since before you were born does not count.
- Why do leftists call all Mexicans 'brown people' anyway? They're not.. but ok.
- "Trump wants people from Norway!!" Unless you can demonstrate to me (or provide ANY evidence of) an effort to control immigration so the percent of white-skinned immigrants is greater than the current demographics of the country, then you are lying, retarded, and probably racist against white people.

On February 02 2018 15:14 PeTraSoHot wrote:

I hear this a lot and I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Can anyone back this up in any meaningful way?

*Note:
- Enforcing immigration laws that have been around since before you were born does not count.
- Why do leftists call all Mexicans 'brown people' anyway? They're not.. but ok.
- "Trump wants people from Norway!!" Unless you can demonstrate to me (or provide ANY evidence of) an effort to control immigration so the percent of white-skinned immigrants is greater than the current demographics of the country, then you are lying, retarded, and probably racist against white people.

(Edit: The post below is braindead trolling. I really do want to hear an actual answer to my question, if someone would be so kind.)

On February 02 2018 16:28 GreenHorizons wrote:


-Many laws from before we were born were explicitly racist, that's a terrible way to frame it.

-"Brown people" was a popular term in the 19th/20th century to describe a wide variety of peoples by eugenicists and racialists
As to their "brownness" Mexican Americans range in skin color and genetic history from African-black to indigenous, to white and whatever we want to call people in between.
"Brown Pride" has long been a thing as a way to recapture the mostly derogatory inference.

-He wants to build a wall between us and a country with net negative immigration, and has offered virtually no comment or policy that would significantly reduce immigration (illegal or otherwise) from predominately white countries while he's gone out of his way to impose restrictions beyond just immigration on countries that happen to predominately non-white.

He also started his campaign with the nonsensical position that Mexico sends mostly criminals despite the people arriving showing a lower propensity for crime than typical white Americans and fake racist gun violence statistics from some neo-nazi.

I mean there's plenty more but that should get you started.

On February 02 2018 16:57 PeTraSoHot wrote:...
This is the kind I thing I find particularly problematic when it comes to the left's claim that the GOP is trying to "make America more white." Our current immigration policies, as far as I know, has brought in a demographic mix of people with far fewer white people than the demographics of the country.
If Trump increases the percent of white people coming in, but it is still a lower percentage of white people than the demographics of the country, then I fail to see how this is "making America white." Slowing down but still continuing the process of America becoming less white is NOT "making America white." If this is what people are complaining about, then I'd say they have some anti-white racial animus.
If he were to control immigration such that 90% of the people coming to the country were white, I'd understand the argument.
Have I gotten something wrong here?
...

On February 02 2018 17:50 Plansix wrote:
Illegal immigrants do not commit more crimes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/fact-check-immigration-doesnt-bring-crime-u-s-data-say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/18/trumps-claim-that-immigrants-bring-tremendous-crime-is-still-wrong/

That data that shows they commit more crimes takes into account a lot of minor charges related to being an illegal immigrant, like driving without a license. Those charges are included in other crime data.

PHILLIPS STATION, Calif. (AP) — California’s brief escape from severe drought ended Thursday after scientists declared more than 40 percent of the state in moderate drought and water officials confirmed lower-than-normal snowpack in the Sierra Nevada.

Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, which hold nearly a quarter of the state’s population, were rated in severe drought.

During a week of rainless skies and some record-high temperatures in Southern California, water officials also trekked into the Sierra Nevada on Thursday and manually measured the vital snowpack, which stood at less than a third of normal for the date.

“It’s not nearly where we’d like to be,” Frank Gehrke, a state official, said of the snow, which supplies water to millions of Californians in a good, wet year.

Los Angeles and some surrounding areas have received only one significant rainstorm in nearly a year.

In Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, which are about 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of Los Angeles, the lack of rain and dry vegetation fueled a December wildfire that grew to be the largest recorded in state history. When it finally rained, the storm triggered mudslides that killed at least 21.

For people who survived the mudslides, looking out at clear and sunny skies again Thursday was a relief despite the deepening drought.

“I know we need rain, but another mudslide would be awful,” said Santa Barbara restaurant hostess Cayla Stretz.

Survivors in her area are still digging out homes, many beaches and roads are closed by mud, and business is down in the beach town, Stretz said.

It took a near-record rainy winter in Northern California last year to snap the near-record five-year dry spell.

Last year’s rain has most of the state’s reservoirs higher than usual, a bright spot, said Doug Carlson, a state Department of Water Resources spokesman. Two months remain in the state’s peak rain and snow season, leaving room for hope, Carlson said.

Gov. Jerry Brown lifted California’s drought state of emergency in April, but it took until September for the last bit of the state to emerge from the severe category of that drought — until now.

Only 13 percent of the state was considered in drought last week, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, which is a project of several government agencies and their partners.

During the peak of the state’s dry spell, 99.9 percent of California was in some stage of drought and nearly half fell into the very highest category.

Cutbacks at the peak of the five-year state drought mandated 25 percent conservation by cities and towns.

State water officials announced no new water-cutting measures Thursday, saying only that conservation had to be a way of life in arid California.

The years of disappointing winters and competition for remaining water supplies devastated native species ranging from Chinook salmon to pine forests, dried many household wells in the state’s middle, and compelled farmers to plunge other wells deep into the earth in search of irrigation water.

In California’s Central Valley, the nation’s richest agricultural producer, government officials had to install water systems during and after the five-year drought for small towns such as East Porterville, after household wells dried.

Even so, deliveries of bottled water continued this week to people outside East Porterville’s city limits, said resident Elva Beltran, one of many volunteers who helped neighbors without water.

For many in rural central California, “It never ended,” she said of the drought.

On February 02 2018 14:08 Danglars wrote:You pack quite a bit of nonsense in here. But some truth leaks through. See, you do show almost an embarrassment over the remainers use of racialized attacks ... you seek to minimize them. And maybe you do have some considered social and cultural explanation where you could go down point-by-point with differences from the American analogue. I’ve seen more similarities than differences—including the fact that America’s has also been building for two decades at least. Frankly, when UKIP gets its public majority favoring independence (a eurosceptic party wins a vote most elites thought was in the bag), it’s given away much of the reason why you’d vote for them anyways. Although now it appears, like marital divorce, it’ll be longer and costlier than previously expected.

On February 02 2018 14:08 Danglars wrote:He attempted to say the referendum did not lead to an enduring political moment for the victors. It glazed over how voters made their voices heard, and what a rebellion it was against the same kind of snobbery we’re dealing with on America’s left. I don’t mind lefties grasping for reasons to feel good after such a loss. You’re never promised a stunning strategic follow up in politics, and of course that hasn’t happened in either America or the United Kingdom.

Then when they get called on their elitism, they take solace in the fact that their opponents did not win an enduring victory. That's fine, it's the pendulum of politics. The poor stroke is forgetting the original cause and focusing on the follow-up.

He attempted to say the referendum did not lead to an enduring political moment for the victors. It glazed over how voters made their voices heard, and what a rebellion it was against the same kind of snobbery we’re dealing with on America’s left. I don’t mind lefties grasping for reasons to feel good after such a loss. You’re never promised a stunning strategic follow up in politics, and of course that hasn’t happened in either America or the United Kingdom.

On February 02 2018 23:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/crampell/status/959411286374338562

Well then. God help us if he wins in the primary.