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On January 30 2018 10:13 Plansix wrote:
This is Carter, I don’t need an attorney, Page? That surveillance on him was unlawful? That man is stunningly stupid and admitted to a whole bunch of shit on TV. He seems more then dumb enough to call Russians that we are watching and say shit that would have officials demanding to know who he was. He is really stupid.
I really want to see if this memo lands with he wet fat I expect:
What's worse (or dumber, I'm not sure which), the memo apparently objects to using the Steele dossier as part of the evidence requesting renewal of the FISA on Page. Note that Carter Page met with individuals from Rosneft and lied about it (he has admitted this during one of those TV binges), which is one of the few confirmed parts of the Steele dossier.
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It isn’t even for the initial FISS warrant? Just a renewal? This is some weak shit if that is what they are leaning into. But then again, they get to say Justice Department and Steele dossier over and over if it is released.
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On January 30 2018 07:49 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 06:38 Danglars wrote:On January 30 2018 06:34 iamthedave wrote:On January 30 2018 01:51 Danglars wrote:On January 30 2018 01:18 iamthedave wrote:On January 30 2018 00:32 Danglars wrote:On January 29 2018 22:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WTF is Clinton doing at the Grammy's for fuck sake. Her hubris is what sunk her in 2016. She should be on Trump’s payroll. The more she gets invited to speak at these things, the more we remember the 2016 choice. Honestly, your guys' obsession with Hilary Clinton is so disturbingly intense that I'm pretty sure you see her face in clouds, puddles of water, and check under your beds every night to make sure she isn't there. I mean... why the flying **** do you care what an old, now retired enemy politician is doing anymore? Are you so upset over the money you wasted trying to pin something on her? I mean... how many times WAS she investigated for things? Your Democrats don't seem to like Bush, but I don't see the same manic obsession over what Bush is doing in his retirement. Genuine question. I genuinely struggle to remember her without remembering an attached investigation. So you’re saying a comment on a Hillary appearance at the Grammys, where she read from a contested book on her general election opponent, that was made by another poster in the thread is Hillary obsession. Meet Trump mania. Did you not see that video a few pages back of Fox sending a reporter to sneak around in the woods of Hilary's hometown to catch up on what she's doing? Did you miss that period when Fox news called her 'the shadow president' as if she was somehow running your country from the sidelines? Even if you are not personally obsessed with Hilary, I think it's undeniable you rightists are over in the US. Why, I can't fathom. So you bring up an unrelated “Fox dummies behave like Fox dummies” vignette because you can’t defend your “Hillary obsession” comment directed at me? Are you really that desperate? The original comment was meant to be a comment about the political right in general, rather than at you. Your post just happened to be the right jumping off point. You did say 'we' remember the 2016 election result, after all. So I was addressing the 'we' in your post, rather than the 'I' which didn't appear in your post. Explain how it is unrelated, please. That segment perfectly demonstrates the obsession I'm referring to, and thus is appropriately mentioned. And please. You aren't worth being desperate over. Stop projecting.
If it’s not at me, don’t put “your guys obsession” and quote my post. The literal meaning of putting that in is that my post exemplifies the broader trend. If that’s not your intention, use better language.
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On January 30 2018 10:21 Plansix wrote:
It isn’t even for the initial FISS warrant? Just a renewal? This is some weak shit if that is what they are leaning into. But then again, they get to say Justice Department and Steele dossier over and over if it is released.
Can already predict the spin, it's been outlined before.
Clinton funded the dossier, the justice department used it to surveil Trump representatives, ergo the justice department partook in a liberal conspiracy to unjustly persecute and undermine the Trump administration. They'll point fingers at justice department officials which will somehow come back to Mueller in an effort to discredit the investigation.
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On January 30 2018 10:36 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 10:21 Plansix wrote:
It isn’t even for the initial FISS warrant? Just a renewal? This is some weak shit if that is what they are leaning into. But then again, they get to say Justice Department and Steele dossier over and over if it is released. Can already predict the spin, it's been outlined before. Clinton funded the dossier, the justice department used it to surveil Trump representatives, ergo the justice department partook in a liberal conspiracy to unjustly persecute and undermine the Trump administration. They'll point fingers at justice department officials which will somehow come back to Mueller in an effort to discredit the investigation.
Yep. And the deputy AG approved/oversaw the warrant, so he is part of the conspiracy. It’s so naked it’s funny. And they voted down the democrat’s response. Nunes is a liar and the fact that he is still in charge of the committee shows why the House is a joke under Paul Ryan.
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On January 30 2018 10:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 10:36 Tachion wrote:On January 30 2018 10:21 Plansix wrote:
It isn’t even for the initial FISS warrant? Just a renewal? This is some weak shit if that is what they are leaning into. But then again, they get to say Justice Department and Steele dossier over and over if it is released. Can already predict the spin, it's been outlined before. Clinton funded the dossier, the justice department used it to surveil Trump representatives, ergo the justice department partook in a liberal conspiracy to unjustly persecute and undermine the Trump administration. They'll point fingers at justice department officials which will somehow come back to Mueller in an effort to discredit the investigation. Yep. And the deputy AG approved/oversaw the warrant, so he is part of the conspiracy. It’s so naked it’s funny. And they voted down the democrat’s response. Nunes is a liar and the fact that he is still in charge of the committee shows why the House is a joke under Paul Ryan.
Think they'll be ballsy enough to call for Rosenstein's firing over Carter Page of all people?
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On January 30 2018 10:48 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 10:41 Plansix wrote:On January 30 2018 10:36 Tachion wrote:On January 30 2018 10:21 Plansix wrote:
It isn’t even for the initial FISS warrant? Just a renewal? This is some weak shit if that is what they are leaning into. But then again, they get to say Justice Department and Steele dossier over and over if it is released. Can already predict the spin, it's been outlined before. Clinton funded the dossier, the justice department used it to surveil Trump representatives, ergo the justice department partook in a liberal conspiracy to unjustly persecute and undermine the Trump administration. They'll point fingers at justice department officials which will somehow come back to Mueller in an effort to discredit the investigation. Yep. And the deputy AG approved/oversaw the warrant, so he is part of the conspiracy. It’s so naked it’s funny. And they voted down the democrat’s response. Nunes is a liar and the fact that he is still in charge of the committee shows why the House is a joke under Paul Ryan. Think they'll be ballsy enough to call for Rosenstein's firing over Carter Page of all people?
No doubt in my mind. Nunes and the other Republicans on the committee are partisan hacks. They want to kill this Russia investigation and Rosenstein the first step. This is like the Saturday night massacre, but in slow motion and with less conviction.
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On January 30 2018 08:54 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 07:38 Danglars wrote:On January 30 2018 07:08 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On January 30 2018 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 30 2018 06:33 hunts wrote:On January 30 2018 00:32 Danglars wrote:On January 29 2018 22:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WTF is Clinton doing at the Grammy's for fuck sake. Her hubris is what sunk her in 2016. She should be on Trump’s payroll. The more she gets invited to speak at these things, the more we remember the 2016 choice. It might be better for your side to forget that trump ran against a reasonable candidate, and to pretend that he ran unopposed. Lest you cons forget that you voted for the orange clown when you had a reasonable alternative. Trump looks pretty bad until you think back at who would’ve been in the White House had Trump not won. Genuinely, in what reality do you live?
What fracturing occurs between your senses and the mind that processes them?
Trump would dissemble the entire f***ing government, bar the bits of it that give him control, if he could. His picks like Pruitt are already frighteningly close to doing just that. You seem a little crazy with rage. Maybe step back from politics from a bit and then come back with a fresh attitude. You just can’t reason or debate with blind rage. You can't debate with someone who literally doesn't occupy the same reality as you. And "step back from the politics" is something only someone whose politics are the problem would possibly have reason to say. Also in some nice crappy news - y'all have an... executive problem. (source is a congressional reporter for politico)
You’re just a little too worked up to argue with, but maybe in the future you’ll calm down to a more reasonable state.
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It's only executive overreach when Obama decides to ignore Congress, remember. It's just fine to ignore sanctions agreed on by all but 4 congresspeople (I think it was 4, maybe it was 5).
Edit: It was 5.
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But remember, Trump isn’t connected to Russia and all this investion stuff is fake news. No reason to be suspicious.
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Senate defeats Trump-backed 20-week abortion ban
So after a year of controlling the House, Senate, and presidency, Republicans accomplished nothing but some minor defunding of organizations that offer or support abortion rights, which can just get overturned during the next administration.
Keep voting for Republicans based on abortion issues though. They'll definitely put an end to it next time. Next time for sure.
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Indeed, if only the Democrats in Congress weren't so radical that 20 weeks was too early for them, we could get it under control. But they couldn't even let it pass cloture.
edit: it got 51-46, it's not just the two GOP squishes at fault.
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On January 30 2018 11:57 Tachion wrote:Senate defeats Trump-backed 20-week abortion banSo after a year of controlling the House, Senate, and presidency, Republicans accomplished nothing but some minor defunding of organizations that offer or support abortion rights, which can just get overturned during the next administration. Keep voting for Republicans based on abortion issues though. They'll definitely put an end to it next time. Next time for sure.
It's a show vote for the religious bloc to show how they're the pro life party, etc. They know it's never going to pass with Murkowski and Collins anyways.
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On January 30 2018 12:01 Introvert wrote:
Indeed, if only the Democrats in Congress weren't so radical that 20 weeks was too early for them, we could get it under control. But they couldn't even let it pass cloture.
well, it's no tlike the republicans actually care about life or are trying to advance sensible proposals, so whatever.
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I like how it was designed to pressure red state democrats, but the Republicans in the senate forget that there are a couple women i there with them.
But of course, Republicans leadership won’t let the democrat’s bill to the floor for a vote.
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On January 30 2018 12:01 Introvert wrote:
Indeed, if only the Democrats in Congress weren't so radical that 20 weeks was too early for them, we could get it under control. But they couldn't even let it pass cloture.
But the bill was put out there to force red state democrats to vote against it. And it failed. It also happened to be a shit bill. Republicans in congress don’t want to legislate on abortion. They want to run for election on the issue. That is why poison pill bills like this exist. They are to fuel election campaigns through identity politics.
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The Republicans keep hitting these home run bills that aren't even supported by their own party to the point where they get the 51 votes even with the Dems breaking ranks. It's really quite breathtaking how they continue to fail to give the red state Dems real trouble
(also, I find it pretty cute that back during the Alabama special election someone said there was no chance of the 23 week push back bill happening so Doug Jones didn't need to comment on it and his vote didn't matter so the GOP upped the ante to 20)
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On January 30 2018 12:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 12:01 Introvert wrote:
Indeed, if only the Democrats in Congress weren't so radical that 20 weeks was too early for them, we could get it under control. But they couldn't even let it pass cloture. But the bill was put out there to force red state democrats to vote against it. And it failed. Republicans in congress don’t want to legislate on abortion. They want to run for election on the issue. That is why poison pill bills like this exist. They are to fuel election campaigns through identity politics.
Actually the question is very yes/no. ban after 20 weeks? And that's good, I want to know which Senators don't support it. I thought we were opposed to pulling bills from the floor that we knew would fail? If passed, it would have been signed and become law. That's not a poison bill by any definition.
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The state of the union is twitch now? Seriously? This is real? There is literally no way this is legal. The president isn’t supposedly to make campaign calls during official duties. Pretty sure the state of the union qualifies.
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Let's just acknowledge that Woodrow Wilson had yet another awful idea and then go back to written statements to Congress.
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