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On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry"
Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare.
I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate.
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On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate.
Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote.
Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around.
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On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around.
Who knows, Bannon might push some crazy guy to run.
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On January 03 2018 05:14 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. Who knows, Bannon might push some crazy guy to run.
After Alabama I am pretty sure Bannon lost a lot of power
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On January 03 2018 05:17 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:14 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. Who knows, Bannon might push some crazy guy to run. After Alabama I am pretty sure Bannon lost a lot of power
I wouldn't buy that. The only power he supposedly lost is power of those he didnt have it over in the first place. I don't think his base got smaller and I dont think his supporters shrunk either. He is still likely to oust several Republicans in the spring and possibly cost several races while doing so.
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On January 03 2018 05:55 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:17 IyMoon wrote:On January 03 2018 05:14 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. Who knows, Bannon might push some crazy guy to run. After Alabama I am pretty sure Bannon lost a lot of power I wouldn't buy that. The only power he supposedly lost is power of those he didnt have it over in the first place. I don't think his base got smaller and I dont think his supporters shrunk either. He is still likely to oust several Republicans in the spring and possibly cost several races while doing so.
What empowered bannon was a few key big name donors and whatnot actually believing in bannon. At least that's how I see it. It is crucial that populists also have some establishment'ish stuff behind them.
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On January 03 2018 06:09 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:55 Adreme wrote:On January 03 2018 05:17 IyMoon wrote:On January 03 2018 05:14 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. Who knows, Bannon might push some crazy guy to run. After Alabama I am pretty sure Bannon lost a lot of power I wouldn't buy that. The only power he supposedly lost is power of those he didnt have it over in the first place. I don't think his base got smaller and I dont think his supporters shrunk either. He is still likely to oust several Republicans in the spring and possibly cost several races while doing so. What empowered bannon was a few key big name donors and whatnot actually believing in bannon. At least that's how I see it. It is crucial that populists also have some establishment'ish stuff behind them.
The Tea party has outed a lot of Republicans in the past without establishment stuff behind them.
All that matters, imo, is Bannon's favor with his supporters and I don't know if that was damaged by Alabama.
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On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around.
You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow.
Have the conservatives here ever explained their position on Trump's naked profiting from the presidency, or have they managed to ignore it this whole last year?
EDIT: Hell, is there any explanation from anyone of substance on the right about Trump's profiting for himself and friends off of the presidency directly, let alone questionable appointments and contracts?
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On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow. Have the conservatives here ever explained their position on Trump's naked profiting from the presidency, or have they managed to ignore it this whole last year? EDIT: Hell, is there any explanation from anyone of substance on the right about Trump's profiting for himself and friends off of the presidency directly, let alone questionable appointments and contracts?
Generally the response I've heard is that he donates his pay as president or whatever so he's good.
edit: sorry, this was about conservatives in general, not conservatives here.
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On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow.
I'm all for reaching for the stars after Doug Jones' win, but what would democrats have to gain from putting any money into Utah? And duh, no one in their right mind is going to try to get a transgender woman elected in Utah. Utah barely tolerates women.
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On January 03 2018 07:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow. I'm all for reaching for the stars after Doug Jones' win, but what would democrats have to gain from putting any money into Utah? And duh, no one in their right mind is going to try to get a transgender woman elected in Utah. Utah barely tolerates women.
Dumping money into Utah wouldn't be to win the election, it's to pay off consultants and contractors and maybe some local party friends if they are lucky. But the DNC is barely able to keep up with their current salaries at the moment so the smart thing to do would be to use this campaign to raise Misty's (since, in part, she's Democrats of the states preferred candidate) profile higher and generate money to use to continue to grow the party in the state.
Of all the potential scenarios, a stronger Democratic party in Utah is the only one I know the national party has 0 interest in.
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On January 03 2018 07:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow. I'm all for reaching for the stars after Doug Jones' win, but what would democrats have to gain from putting any money into Utah? And duh, no one in their right mind is going to try to get a transgender woman elected in Utah. Utah barely tolerates women.
There's nothing to gain other than throwing money away.
If Romney runs, there really wouldn't be any Democrat I can think of that'd beat him.
Money is far better spent on races which are close, or longshots where the republican is a detestable piece of shit like Moore.
Romney is a fairly reasonable republican - as much as I didn't like him, he didn't come across as a person I'd vehemently hate like Trump or Moore.
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Why can't this guy shut up for once and not call him Rocket-man? North Korea might do the opposite to show they're not threatened. Not that I'm a fan of them, but reverse psychology isn't uncommon.
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On January 03 2018 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 07:30 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow. I'm all for reaching for the stars after Doug Jones' win, but what would democrats have to gain from putting any money into Utah? And duh, no one in their right mind is going to try to get a transgender woman elected in Utah. Utah barely tolerates women. Dumping money into Utah wouldn't be to win the election, it's to pay off consultants and contractors and maybe some local party friends if they are lucky. But the DNC is barely able to keep up with their current salaries at the moment so the smart thing to do would be to use this campaign to raise Misty's (since, in part, she's Democrats of the states preferred candidate) profile higher and generate money to use to continue to grow the party in the state. Of all the potential scenarios, a stronger Democratic party in Utah is the only one I know the national party has 0 interest in.
So, to take things an even more cynical direction, why bother having a democratic party in Utah? I suppose you could say the same about Alabama. Long term, I suppose it does make sense. But probably not.
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On January 03 2018 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2018 05:13 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 03 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol. Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight, getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry" Romney is pretty damn popular in Utah, and I don't see a credible challenger running against him. Also, out of touch rich guy aside, he does donate a decent bit to charity even when you discount the portion of his giving to LDS. Plus, Romneycare. I think he would relish a fight with Trump when running for Senate. Would it even be a fight? Romney will win 80% of the primary vote and 70 of the general Senate vote. Please, for the love of god Democrats, do not throw "let's repeat Alabama in utah!!!" Bullshit around. You know, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see them dump some money on Utah (consultants and firms used around the country, little or none in Utah though), but it would surely be for Jonathan Swinton, not Misty Snow. Have the conservatives here ever explained their position on Trump's naked profiting from the presidency, or have they managed to ignore it this whole last year? EDIT: Hell, is there any explanation from anyone of substance on the right about Trump's profiting for himself and friends off of the presidency directly, let alone questionable appointments and contracts?
my vague recollection is the ones here have said it's bad; but always go back to hillary whataboutism to declare it necessary. they also don't push that hard for actual action on it.
but i'm sick today so who knows how my memory is.
i'm not aware of any such explanation from anyone of substance on the right (though for clarity i'd ask whether you mean people who have substance by virtue of high office, or people with actual substance regardless of the position they hold).
@darkness -> are you seriously asking the question, or are you just venting?
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The Democrats could try to recruit Mitt Romney in Utah. Be the big tent with a variety of ideas and just leave the Republicans with the crazies. More than just the seat, it would indicate that Democrats are willing to work with real conservatives against the bullshit populists with no actually sound ideas. I don't think Romney would go for it, but perhaps his loathing of Trump would help flip him.
Obamacare is just national Romneycare after all.
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Romney being consistently anti-Trump basically makes him a de-facto Democrat anyway 
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On January 03 2018 08:20 RenSC2 wrote:
The Democrats could try to recruit Mitt Romney in Utah. Be the big tent with a variety of ideas and just leave the Republicans with the crazies. More than just the seat, it would indicate that Democrats are willing to work with real conservatives against the bullshit populists with no actually sound ideas. I don't think Romney would go for it, but perhaps his loathing of Trump would help flip him.
Obamacare is just national Romneycare after all.
Abortion makes this impossible. It always all comes down to abortion.
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