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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 03 2018 00:56 GMT
#192421
On January 03 2018 09:47 IgnE wrote:
as far as i know, danglars, smelling salts dont cure myopia.

It truly assists the kind that is due to Trump hysteria. His rational mind is temporarily unusable and he only needs a little jump-start to recover. I know him to usually examine things circumspectly, compared to present action.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
January 03 2018 00:57 GMT
#192422
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

Show nested quote +
I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Show nested quote +
Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 03 2018 01:01 GMT
#192423
On January 03 2018 09:51 micronesia wrote:
For the record I don't really blame Trump that much for being what he is. People who voted for him knowing what he is are actually, in my opinion, more responsible for Trump's actions as president than Trump is. If you think Trump's actions are a worthwhile opportunity cost of the alternative (e.g., president Hillary Clinton) then so be it, but that doesn't diminish responsibility.

You can see how people judge Trump better than the alternative, but can’t see how outrage feeds the machine that feeds off outrage. I should’ve been more trite to get my point across. Don’t feed the troll.


**micronesia, this does not endorse trolling, it merely asks the audience not to feed the troll. Please don’t write two paragraphs on how the advice not to feed the troll excuses trolls everywhere and unjustly blames the people who feed the trolls for the existence of the trolls.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 03 2018 01:08 GMT
#192424
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 01:14:41
January 03 2018 01:11 GMT
#192425
On January 03 2018 09:54 Introvert wrote:
Not top 5 material, but probably top 20.



Edit: certainly top 10 if we just count his presidency.

I read this in Eric Cartman's voice it makes more sense that way

edit: top5 this one?

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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
January 03 2018 01:13 GMT
#192426
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 01:14:25
January 03 2018 01:14 GMT
#192427
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 01:20:01
January 03 2018 01:14 GMT
#192428
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 03 2018 01:30 GMT
#192429
I wanted to make a somewhat comment in reply to Ren about actively endorsing someone blatantly anti-abortion like Romney - and just following the overton window shift this administration is pushing, when a substantial portion of the democratic party is somewhat progressive (a growing, not shrinking, portion at that), and when it is, as a broader statement on women's rights so deeply regressive - really not an issue to give ground on for possible temporary political expedience. Especially considering how Republicans actively cultivated this as a wedge issue.

But the last two pages have somewhat distracted from that. Day 3 and it's already been a long week of tweet insanity.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 03 2018 01:32 GMT
#192430
On January 03 2018 10:14 crms wrote:
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.


I think ignore features are quite a healthy thing for discussion boards. Being able to opt IN to certain discussions, rather than having to consciously opt out (this may be responsible for the noted surprising levels of engagement) is great. And people just goading and never engaging in good faith also just get less attention and head space. But alas we do not have this
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13925 Posts
January 03 2018 01:36 GMT
#192431
On January 03 2018 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:14 crms wrote:
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.


I think ignore features are quite a healthy thing for discussion boards. Being able to opt IN to certain discussions, rather than having to consciously opt out (this may be responsible for the noted surprising levels of engagement) is great. And people just goading and never engaging in good faith also just get less attention and head space. But alas we do not have this

You contradict yourself in your post. Having an ignore feature is only useful for opting out of conversations you don't want to be involved in. Its an inherently bad feature that just exists to break conversations and confuse people reading the thead. It generates echo chambers that aren't even connected to each other.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 01:58:33
January 03 2018 01:57 GMT
#192432
On January 03 2018 10:36 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:14 crms wrote:
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.


I think ignore features are quite a healthy thing for discussion boards. Being able to opt IN to certain discussions, rather than having to consciously opt out (this may be responsible for the noted surprising levels of engagement) is great. And people just goading and never engaging in good faith also just get less attention and head space. But alas we do not have this

You contradict yourself in your post. Having an ignore feature is only useful for opting out of conversations you don't want to be involved in. Its an inherently bad feature that just exists to break conversations and confuse people reading the thead. It generates echo chambers that aren't even connected to each other.


Having to suddenly have headspace and threadspace occupied by someone you know won't engage in good faith saying and posting attention grabbing things on which they don't intend to make actual discussion breaks conversation. Simply filtering out one or two people (and there are literally two people, only two, on which I'd use a block feature) with whom you've had the same entirely pointless multi-page argument with before, often totally eclipsing more worthwhile discussion, is absolutely an improvement.

As was mentioned sometime earlier in this thread, most of the posters who by and large take the "same side" in the current discussions actually have vastly different political opinions, value systems and backgrounds. But we're mostly just all sitting on the same rough hemisphere repeatedly trying to convince a few people of things like "colonialism was not, in fact, good for colonized populations" and "Trump showing the diplomatic world the middle finger does not, in fact, make anything better."

People (particularly posters on threads like this one) like to argue and compare and share, that won't change just because you can filter out some influences. It just means you don't have to waste mental energy on the conversational equivalent of attempting to break walls with your face kool-aid style.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 02:05:23
January 03 2018 02:04 GMT
#192433
On January 03 2018 08:50 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 07:49 sc-darkness wrote:
Why can't this guy shut up for once and not call him Rocket-man? North Korea might do the opposite to show they're not threatened. Not that I'm a fan of them, but reverse psychology isn't uncommon.


The fact that people like you get upset about his use of rocket man perpetuates his use of rocket man. Compare with Pocahontas. His twitter feed lives to enrage others (when he isn’t pandering to his base and self-congratulating). The worst response is getting triggered.


Yes - there's nothing to criticize ("get upset" about) in him taunting a nutty nuke wielding dictator. Let's just talk about the response to his tweets instead. Solid analysis.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 03 2018 02:10 GMT
#192434
On January 03 2018 10:14 crms wrote:
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers is there anything in this universe that you don't blame the liberals for? It's the liberals' fault Trump was elected (vice the people who voted for him). It's the liberals' fault Trump calls Kim Jong Un little rocket man (because they get triggered by it). What happened to the principle of personal responsibility?

Perhaps you would say it's Trump's fault he made the tweet, but the liberals simply have the power to prevent it too... I guess that would be a bit more reasonable... not sure if that's where you were going then.

If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.


Danglars, like Trump, only says the things he says in a 9D chess sort of way. Danglars intends to evoke a response on these forums, just like Trump intends to invoke a response from the left. It's more the response that counts. Hence, 9D chess.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13925 Posts
January 03 2018 02:12 GMT
#192435
On January 03 2018 10:57 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 10:36 Sermokala wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:14 crms wrote:
Don't worry guys he's just trying to trigger those sensitive libtards lul, it's completely fine for him to behave like this - just ignore it!


On January 03 2018 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 03 2018 10:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:57 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:52 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:38 micronesia wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:28 Danglars wrote:
[quote]
If I had blinked, I would’ve missed all the nuance being thrown out the window. Yes, if you narrowly focus Trump with your permanent horse blinders, he’s ridiculous and blameworthy. But the overall arc of history doesn’t allow for a reality TV star to accidentally ascend to the presidency. Oops. Better focus in on how his behavior proceeds from his will to that behavior!!!
Funny how this doesn't address my thought that the blame may lay more with the people who voted for him than the liberals who presumably didn't. You turned it on to me being at fault, presumably because you think I'm a liberal...?

Clearly, the best action today is to divine the amount of blame I assign to his voters compared to his non-voters. You did read the post you responded to, right?

I say you’re pathetic and you’re better than this. And you can spell my name properly lol.

I just did it to trigger you. If you stop getting triggered perhaps I won't do it. It is clearly your fault, not mine.

We should elect you president with this much understanding of the status quo. Wait, micronesia demands I ask you to explain how triggering others is irrelevant compared to your choice to trigger. What do you have to answer yourself? Are you not guilty of choosing to misspell, or did someone else force you to do it?

Are you at all interested in more than the trollish “Trump’s bad, let’s all chant it until 2020” until it’s all gone. Because I’ve twice insulted Trump in past posts today and maybe that’s internet invisible ink to you.

Furthermore, I’ve half a mind to adopt your own myopic focus until smelling salts revive your broader understanding. Why are you so intent on ignoring history to blame Trump for the worlds ills? Is it deliberate or accidental?

This has nothing to do with ignoring history. I'm not saying the democratic party doesn't also have their share of blame in whatever you are talking about. I'm just saying you are acting like the liberals are more to blame than others who should quite obviously be more to blame.

Calling me pathetic is also rather telling, even if you hedged a bit with "you're better than this."

I am acting like no such thing. This whole thread is full of valid criticism of the president. Only your biases demand that I’m criticizing triggered liberals too hard for their due. Your plumb line is faulty. You can’t determine how much outrage is feeding the Trump phenomenon. You’re not properly judging how much criticism of his critics is warranted.

Let's simplify this, if you will. I will ask just a couple of questions that you have danced around in the past and then claimed you didn't dance around them, so if I'm wrong about that you can very easily prove me wrong with just a few typed words.

Recognizing more than one party may be at least partly responsible for a given act or situation,
1) Who is more responsible for the fact that Trump was elected, the people who voted for him, or the liberals in the U.S.?
2) Who is more responsible for Trump's tweeting behavior currently referring to Kim John Un as little rocket man, liberals because they get triggered, or the people who voted for Trump knowing this type of behavior was going to be normal with Trump elected?

You keep saying I'm not reading or not understanding you, so here's a chance to eliminate misunderstanding and miscommunication.

Ooh so much effort. That’s not a simplification. It’s indulging your conceit that I unjustly blame the wild reactions to Trump for the existence of Trump. You have thus far only showed that you can’t understand how feeding the troll influences the troll to continue. You get Zero until you can admit that the outrage/triggering machine demands more tweets of this nature. Have you ever had a provocateur at any party you’ve attended? I’m starting to doubt your variety of life experience, since you literally only resort to insinuation and not fact.

“Just ignore him” is not justifying his existence or his life choices. It’s a rational response. But you’ve repeatedly and quizzically insinuated the contrary. It’s baffling, to be honest.

Still ignoring the simply question I see.
Everyone is responsible for the US turning into the laughing stock of the world but you.



On January 03 2018 10:14 micronesia wrote:
Danglers, while few users will be surprised, it's quite telling that you danced around the questions again without answering, all while throwing shot after shot at me even though I haven't really disagreed with you about your overarching criticism of liberals creating the current environment. When you are willing to actually answer my questions I'll have to change my opinion that you don't have conversations here in good faith.



Were either of you really expecting a proper response? I know it's a new year but were you expecting him to change whatsoever? I'm constantly shocked at the level people engage with him. I assume it's because you're all bored at work with nothing better to do? I used to give him and others the benefit of the doubt but that ran out long ago. I think specifically it was around when Yango gave him a direct example (after he requested it) and then never responded only to goad more bullshit with other users.


I think ignore features are quite a healthy thing for discussion boards. Being able to opt IN to certain discussions, rather than having to consciously opt out (this may be responsible for the noted surprising levels of engagement) is great. And people just goading and never engaging in good faith also just get less attention and head space. But alas we do not have this

You contradict yourself in your post. Having an ignore feature is only useful for opting out of conversations you don't want to be involved in. Its an inherently bad feature that just exists to break conversations and confuse people reading the thead. It generates echo chambers that aren't even connected to each other.


Having to suddenly have headspace and threadspace occupied by someone you know won't engage in good faith saying and posting attention grabbing things on which they don't intend to make actual discussion breaks conversation. Simply filtering out one or two people (and there are literally two people, only two, on which I'd use a block feature) with whom you've had the same entirely pointless multi-page argument with before, often totally eclipsing more worthwhile discussion, is absolutely an improvement.

As was mentioned sometime earlier in this thread, most of the posters who by and large take the "same side" in the current discussions actually have vastly different political opinions, value systems and backgrounds. But we're mostly just all sitting on the same rough hemisphere repeatedly trying to convince a few people of things like "colonialism was not, in fact, good for colonized populations" and "Trump showing the diplomatic world the middle finger does not, in fact, make anything better."

People (particularly posters on threads like this one) like to argue and compare and share, that won't change just because you can filter out some influences. It just means you don't have to waste mental energy on the conversational equivalent of attempting to break walls with your face kool-aid style.

When talking about adding in tools to censor people you don't like you can't just argue that its one or two people and that'll be the end that it'll get used. Its not hard to argue that GH should be next to be censored. Hes overly argumentative whenever race comes up and admits that he doesn't care about Us politics or caring about what he posts about being relevant to us politics. Eastern euros are going to argue with western euros and western euros are going to talk bad about the us at every opportunity they have because they have no stakes. Why not just censor those people too if they don't contribute enough to justify having to read their posts.

Changing influences changes the product. Thats a 2+2 still equals 4 even if I take out 0.25 argument.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 03 2018 02:16 GMT
#192436
On January 03 2018 09:56 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 09:47 IgnE wrote:
as far as i know, danglars, smelling salts dont cure myopia.

It truly assists the kind that is due to Trump hysteria. His rational mind is temporarily unusable and he only needs a little jump-start to recover. I know him to usually examine things circumspectly, compared to present action.


wait, we've gone from an ocular deficit to temporary fits of hysteria? as far as i know, smelling salts wake you up, not calm you down.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 03 2018 02:20 GMT
#192437
as i've said elsewhere, as a practical observation the ignore feature leads to better results.

and it's better to have the limited moderation of an ignore list than no moderation.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 03 2018 02:42 GMT
#192438
Maybe it would be better if he just golfed the rest of the term. Fucking hell.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
January 03 2018 02:54 GMT
#192439
Trump just accused the justice department of working for the state.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 03 2018 03:22 GMT
#192440
On January 03 2018 11:16 IgnE wrote:
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On January 03 2018 09:56 Danglars wrote:
On January 03 2018 09:47 IgnE wrote:
as far as i know, danglars, smelling salts dont cure myopia.

It truly assists the kind that is due to Trump hysteria. His rational mind is temporarily unusable and he only needs a little jump-start to recover. I know him to usually examine things circumspectly, compared to present action.


wait, we've gone from an ocular deficit to temporary fits of hysteria? as far as i know, smelling salts wake you up, not calm you down.

We should hope someone with normal faculties should only need a wake up call in temporary periods of myopic focus.
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