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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 16:36:47
January 02 2018 16:31 GMT
#192361
On January 03 2018 01:28 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

what has he done to be strict on air travel?

Absolutely nothing, but obviously you thank glorious leader for the achievement, because clearly the airlines would've otherwise wanted their planes to crash and kill people because that's good for business.

from reddit
+ Show Spoiler +

Lots of factors go into this. Many of the rules are said to be written in blood, for example cargo compartments didn't require fire suppression until after valuejet crash in the everglades in the 90's. Mechanics (like myself) are held to extremely high standards and regulations. I have the power to ground an aircraft by myself for any reason I feel necessary and cannot be reprimanded or face any repercussions from my airline. Pilot training is better than ever, and they also have the power to ground any plane for mechanical reasons and male a mechanic come look at it before they fly. Material science has led to production of much more reliable aircraft. We know pretty well how long a part should last before failure and many parts get changed and overhauled long before they actually break.

These are just a few examples of what has led to extremely safe and reliable aircraft. My airline has not only maintained a perfect safety record (so has everyone else), but over 99.9% of our thousands of daily flights do not get cancelled for mx reasons.

Flying commercial in the US is literally safer than walking.

Edit* yes I know I misspelled make with male

Yes I know Trump is claiming this safety record is his own achievement.... I don't care what side of the aisle you are, fuck any politician who tries to take credit.

You want to know who should take the real credit? The tens of thousands of my colleagues who dedicate their lives as mechanics, pilots, flight attendants, ATC, ground crews, airport ops, and gate agents.

I work for a regional, we have over 400 aircraft flying nearly 1,500 flights a day with less than 1 tenth of 1 percent getting cancelled for maintenance reasons. No politician or regulations makes that happen. That's the hard work of thousands of underpaid and underappreciated airline workers.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 17:10:08
January 02 2018 16:52 GMT
#192362
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
January 02 2018 17:20 GMT
#192363
Obviously he's been strict on air travel by banning all those terrorist muslims from coming over to the US and crashing their airplanes because that's what terrorist muslims does /s
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 17:49:36
January 02 2018 17:47 GMT
#192364
On January 03 2018 01:31 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 01:28 brian wrote:
On January 03 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948195478428102657

what has he done to be strict on air travel?

Absolutely nothing, but obviously you thank glorious leader for the achievement, because clearly the airlines would've otherwise wanted their planes to crash and kill people because that's good for business.

from reddit
+ Show Spoiler +

Lots of factors go into this. Many of the rules are said to be written in blood, for example cargo compartments didn't require fire suppression until after valuejet crash in the everglades in the 90's. Mechanics (like myself) are held to extremely high standards and regulations. I have the power to ground an aircraft by myself for any reason I feel necessary and cannot be reprimanded or face any repercussions from my airline. Pilot training is better than ever, and they also have the power to ground any plane for mechanical reasons and male a mechanic come look at it before they fly. Material science has led to production of much more reliable aircraft. We know pretty well how long a part should last before failure and many parts get changed and overhauled long before they actually break.

These are just a few examples of what has led to extremely safe and reliable aircraft. My airline has not only maintained a perfect safety record (so has everyone else), but over 99.9% of our thousands of daily flights do not get cancelled for mx reasons.

Flying commercial in the US is literally safer than walking.

Edit* yes I know I misspelled make with male

Yes I know Trump is claiming this safety record is his own achievement.... I don't care what side of the aisle you are, fuck any politician who tries to take credit.

You want to know who should take the real credit? The tens of thousands of my colleagues who dedicate their lives as mechanics, pilots, flight attendants, ATC, ground crews, airport ops, and gate agents.

I work for a regional, we have over 400 aircraft flying nearly 1,500 flights a day with less than 1 tenth of 1 percent getting cancelled for maintenance reasons. No politician or regulations makes that happen. That's the hard work of thousands of underpaid and underappreciated airline workers.

Didn't the Republicans try to push through some bill that allowed the 4 big airline corporations more say in how the FAA did things?

Edit: here's the first result from a quick web search: http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trumps-plan-air-travel-allows-airlines-wall-street-take-over-skies-2548000 (it's old, from May or June. I can't tell with the archaic way people write dates)
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 02 2018 17:52 GMT
#192365
On January 03 2018 01:31 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 01:28 brian wrote:
On January 03 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948195478428102657

what has he done to be strict on air travel?

Absolutely nothing, but obviously you thank glorious leader for the achievement, because clearly the airlines would've otherwise wanted their planes to crash and kill people because that's good for business.

from reddit
+ Show Spoiler +

Lots of factors go into this. Many of the rules are said to be written in blood, for example cargo compartments didn't require fire suppression until after valuejet crash in the everglades in the 90's. Mechanics (like myself) are held to extremely high standards and regulations. I have the power to ground an aircraft by myself for any reason I feel necessary and cannot be reprimanded or face any repercussions from my airline. Pilot training is better than ever, and they also have the power to ground any plane for mechanical reasons and male a mechanic come look at it before they fly. Material science has led to production of much more reliable aircraft. We know pretty well how long a part should last before failure and many parts get changed and overhauled long before they actually break.

These are just a few examples of what has led to extremely safe and reliable aircraft. My airline has not only maintained a perfect safety record (so has everyone else), but over 99.9% of our thousands of daily flights do not get cancelled for mx reasons.

Flying commercial in the US is literally safer than walking.

Edit* yes I know I misspelled make with male

Yes I know Trump is claiming this safety record is his own achievement.... I don't care what side of the aisle you are, fuck any politician who tries to take credit.

You want to know who should take the real credit? The tens of thousands of my colleagues who dedicate their lives as mechanics, pilots, flight attendants, ATC, ground crews, airport ops, and gate agents.

I work for a regional, we have over 400 aircraft flying nearly 1,500 flights a day with less than 1 tenth of 1 percent getting cancelled for maintenance reasons. No politician or regulations makes that happen. That's the hard work of thousands of underpaid and underappreciated airline workers.

Exactly.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 02 2018 18:06 GMT
#192366
On January 03 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.

It's stupid to take credit for regulation that you didn't implement. There's no bonus points for not getting rid of good regulation.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
January 02 2018 18:08 GMT
#192367
On January 03 2018 03:06 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.

It's stupid to take credit for regulation that you didn't implement. There's no bonus points for not getting rid of good regulation.

i did mention that in that same post. though that’s not what the angry rant was getting at, where i quote ‘fuck any politician that takes credit.’ this is a stupid sentiment. of course taking credit where none was earned is another thing all together.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 02 2018 18:18 GMT
#192368
On January 03 2018 03:08 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 03:06 Gahlo wrote:
On January 03 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.

It's stupid to take credit for regulation that you didn't implement. There's no bonus points for not getting rid of good regulation.

i did mention that in that same post. though that’s not what the angry rant was getting at, where i quote ‘fuck any politician that takes credit.’ this is a stupid sentiment. of course taking credit where none was earned is another thing all together.

You right, my bad. There isn't enough coffee in the world for me today.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 02 2018 18:20 GMT
#192369
On January 03 2018 03:08 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 03:06 Gahlo wrote:
On January 03 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.

It's stupid to take credit for regulation that you didn't implement. There's no bonus points for not getting rid of good regulation.

i did mention that in that same post. though that’s not what the angry rant was getting at, where i quote ‘fuck any politician that takes credit.’ this is a stupid sentiment. of course taking credit where none was earned is another thing all together.


The summary of the rant claimed that these results are not due to any regulations, and therefore there is no basis for a politician to take credit for them. It's not that he's not one of the men on the ground. It's that the result is not government controlled in the first place.

Based on that, his implication that no government official should be taking credit in any capacity seems reasonable.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
January 02 2018 18:23 GMT
#192370
On January 03 2018 03:20 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 03:08 brian wrote:
On January 03 2018 03:06 Gahlo wrote:
On January 03 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
angry rant not really well taken, it’s stupid to me to imply a politician can’t take credit for regulation just because he’s not one of ‘the men on the ground.’ that’s good for an eye roll. he could stand to get a grip.

though again i can’t really recall any reason he can be taking credit. or why he thinks he’s been strict on air travel. so.

lol i can only imagine what he, and then everyone around him thinks right now. i would enjoy the awkwardness this must be for everyone else.

It's stupid to take credit for regulation that you didn't implement. There's no bonus points for not getting rid of good regulation.

i did mention that in that same post. though that’s not what the angry rant was getting at, where i quote ‘fuck any politician that takes credit.’ this is a stupid sentiment. of course taking credit where none was earned is another thing all together.


The summary of the rant claimed that these results are not due to any regulations, and therefore there is no basis for a politician to take credit for them. It's not that he's not one of the men on the ground. It's that the result is not government controlled in the first place.

Based on that, his implication that no government official should be taking credit in any capacity seems reasonable.


in the paragraph directly after fucking all politicians, he goes on to say only (and obviously i’m paraphrasing) the men on the ground deserve the recognition.

as a seemingly intelligent mechanic one imagines he understands the countless regulation involved in flying, so any claim that there is no credit due to those able to enact these regulations is either just ignorant or stupid.

but it’s just one guy on reddit’s opinion so i’ll let that be the end of my critique of it.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
January 02 2018 18:26 GMT
#192371
What is Donald even claiming credit for? The news story he was reacting to was about worldwide aviation safety, 0 fatal airline crashes is not something new for the US. I'd like to know how he thinks his 'strictness' improved flight safety in Nepal or Bolivia.

The last time anyone died on a U.S.-certificated scheduled airline was Feb. 12, 2009, when Colgan Air Flight 3407

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielreed/2016/12/28/in-the-last-7-years-you-were-more-likely-to-be-run-over-by-a-car-than-to-die-in-an-airline-crash/
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 02 2018 18:38 GMT
#192372
idea for a novelty twitter: redo all trump's tweets in a presidential way. this one could be something along the lines of "kudos to the hardworking people in the NTSB and agencies around the world for making 2017 one of the safest years ever for air travel".
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 02 2018 18:39 GMT
#192373
On January 03 2018 03:26 Dan HH wrote:
What is Donald even claiming credit for? The news story he was reacting to was about worldwide aviation safety, 0 fatal airline crashes is not something new for the US. I'd like to know how he thinks his 'strictness' improved flight safety in Nepal or Bolivia.

Show nested quote +
The last time anyone died on a U.S.-certificated scheduled airline was Feb. 12, 2009, when Colgan Air Flight 3407

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielreed/2016/12/28/in-the-last-7-years-you-were-more-likely-to-be-run-over-by-a-car-than-to-die-in-an-airline-crash/

he's claiming credit for aviation being safe. the particulars and facts really don't matter at all. all that matters is projecting the image, and then some people believing him and giving him credit for it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 02 2018 18:53 GMT
#192374
Based on Trump's tweets, Trump just heard about some serious Mueller shit.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 19:06:45
January 02 2018 18:54 GMT
#192375
On January 03 2018 03:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
idea for a novelty twitter: redo all trump's tweets in a presidential way. this one could be something along the lines of "kudos to the hardworking people in the NTSB and agencies around the world for making 2017 one of the safest years ever for air travel".

it has to at least still be believable. maybe like ‘Just spoke to Chris Hart @NTSB to congratulate him on the news! Said he was a BIG fan of mine, and proud of our PROGRESS. Next, Crooked H and her emails! #MAGA’

i tried to make this a joke but now it just reads as too real. guess i won’t be taking up the cause.
On January 03 2018 03:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Based on Trump's tweets, Trump just heard about some serious Mueller shit.

the most surprising part for me is where he said ‘next time i win.’ yikes.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22597 Posts
January 02 2018 18:58 GMT
#192376
On January 03 2018 03:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Based on Trump's tweets, Trump just heard about some serious Mueller shit.

Not enough major off the wall accusations towards people involved.

He just felt a little down and needed to praise himself.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 02 2018 19:10 GMT
#192377
On January 03 2018 01:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948195478428102657

The delusion of grandeur on this man knows no limits...

Would be a easy way to give a thumbs up and thank you to the blue collar mechanics who keep planes maintained but no this record is because HE is 'strict' (??) on commercial aviation.

Not to mention he'll probably do some proposal in the future to cut the regulations that led to this safety increase in the first place because airlines need more 'freedom to choose when it's safe to fly' or that Boeing's competitiveness is harmed by pesky safety issues brought up by big government
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 02 2018 19:18 GMT
#192378
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 19:28:14
January 02 2018 19:22 GMT
#192379
On January 03 2018 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Orrin Hatch retiring. Senator Romney incoming, lol.


Dare he run against Trump after being in the spotlight? I think having Romney back in the spotlight getting interviews on Fox and whatnot is going to remind people conservatism doesn't need to be Trump. They don't need this insecurity-driven obsession with extremes. They can have a guy who is like "I don't really like poor people that much, but I shouldn't crash the healthcare industry"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 02 2018 19:26 GMT
#192380
Good riddance.

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