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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 17:15:07
February 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#1901
I gotta ask, i hope this belongs here after all. I'm watching Gen. Dempsey and Sec. Panetta's hearing at Senate about Benghazi attack. Is it normal that these kind of people are being heard and questioned when something like this happens or is this case just special of its kind?

I haven't followed politics or US politics much, so excuse me if this is a stupid question.
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 07 2013 18:26 GMT
#1902
On February 08 2013 02:10 Grettin wrote:
I gotta ask, i hope this belongs here after all. I'm watching Gen. Dempsey and Sec. Panetta's hearing at Senate about Benghazi attack. Is it normal that these kind of people are being heard and questioned when something like this happens or is this case just special of its kind?

I haven't followed politics or US politics much, so excuse me if this is a stupid question.

The Banghazi attack was unique in the damage it dealt, and an uncharacteristic mistake for what has been relatively successful foreign policy for the past 4 years. Republicans are seizing the opportunity.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
February 07 2013 20:31 GMT
#1903
On February 08 2013 03:26 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 02:10 Grettin wrote:
I gotta ask, i hope this belongs here after all. I'm watching Gen. Dempsey and Sec. Panetta's hearing at Senate about Benghazi attack. Is it normal that these kind of people are being heard and questioned when something like this happens or is this case just special of its kind?

I haven't followed politics or US politics much, so excuse me if this is a stupid question.

The Banghazi attack was unique in the damage it dealt, and an uncharacteristic mistake for what has been relatively successful foreign policy for the past 4 years. Republicans are seizing the opportunity.


It was obviously an awful mistake, but I'm not even really sure if it counts as a foreign policy mistake at all since it had positive consequences, galvanizing Libyans against anti-American Islamists, at the cost of just four lives.
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 07 2013 21:04 GMT
#1904
On February 08 2013 05:31 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 03:26 aksfjh wrote:
On February 08 2013 02:10 Grettin wrote:
I gotta ask, i hope this belongs here after all. I'm watching Gen. Dempsey and Sec. Panetta's hearing at Senate about Benghazi attack. Is it normal that these kind of people are being heard and questioned when something like this happens or is this case just special of its kind?

I haven't followed politics or US politics much, so excuse me if this is a stupid question.

The Banghazi attack was unique in the damage it dealt, and an uncharacteristic mistake for what has been relatively successful foreign policy for the past 4 years. Republicans are seizing the opportunity.


It was obviously an awful mistake, but I'm not even really sure if it counts as a foreign policy mistake at all since it had positive consequences, galvanizing Libyans against anti-American Islamists, at the cost of just four lives.

In the world of politics, you're playing for a perfect game, not just a net positive. Sometimes calculated sacrifices are made, but hardly at the expense of lives, much less American lives. The result may have had a positive spin, but it's still a mistake any way you look at it.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
February 08 2013 02:35 GMT
#1905
In the world of politics, you're playing for a perfect game, not just a net positive

No on the contrary, politicians dont aim for a perfect game.
They always aim for the highest net positive. They are willing to set aside their core ideologie just to make a deal with a net positive.

America made another foreign policy mistake btw with osama.
They are now building an amusement park on the place he died wich will no doubt serve as a sort of memorial in the future.
They should have just caught him and taken to the usa, to be detained for life without contact with the outside world.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 13:12:59
February 08 2013 13:12 GMT
#1906
On February 07 2013 02:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 23:49 Saryph wrote:
So the Post Office is cancelling delivery of mail on Saturdays in an attempt to cut costs.

This is a consequence of the lame duck session of Congress in December of 2006, when in two days a Republican controlled Congress introduced and passed through both houses a law that has placed an unfair burden on, and essentially bankrupted, the postal service.

I have a question for some of the more frequent posters here. Why did the Republicans, who are the first ones to complain about government inefficiency, pass a bill that destroyed the postal service, an entity that doesn't even receive taxpayer dollars for their operation. They're having to pay billions of dollars each year into a fund for the retirement of people who aren't even working yet. It seems counter to the image of the Republican party.

Edit: Spelling is hard.

It's just accounting. From what I've read it was an attempt at resolving* the USPS's financial woes, though it was an imperfect attempt - and a, largely, inflexible one at that.

Something boring from the CBO here.

A nice Bloomberg article here.

Edit: As stated in both links about 25% of private companies voluntarily use this accounting treatment because they deem it appropriate - not because they are trying to destroy themselves!

*Edit 2: By resolve I do not mean fix. The underlying economic issues facing the USPS mean that pain must be felt. The legislation passed by Republicans was aimed at answering the question "who will will bear the pain and by what means?" and not aimed at reducing the pain - that's a task for the USPS itself.

This is very puzzling to me.

How is it that a monopoly, such as the USPS, goes broke?

Is it because they are required to fund the health care costs of retired employees as the article says? Clearly, FedEx isn't broke, is that because they don't have to? Or is the USPS broke because of legislation that demands they provide more service than they can profitably afford, such as requiring mail to be delivered everyday, at a certain speed, everywhere in the country, etc? And couldn't the USPS pass the cost onto customers so that they are profitable, or does the government cap the amount USPS is allowed to charge?

Anyway, mail is old fashioned. People should use email. Government agencies seem to send everything my mail, they should stop this. Letters should be emailed and the postal service should be exclusively for parcels, or other things that cannot be emailed.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 13:48:06
February 08 2013 13:46 GMT
#1907
Never mind. I was wrong.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
February 08 2013 17:39 GMT
#1908
On February 08 2013 22:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 02:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 06 2013 23:49 Saryph wrote:
So the Post Office is cancelling delivery of mail on Saturdays in an attempt to cut costs.

This is a consequence of the lame duck session of Congress in December of 2006, when in two days a Republican controlled Congress introduced and passed through both houses a law that has placed an unfair burden on, and essentially bankrupted, the postal service.

I have a question for some of the more frequent posters here. Why did the Republicans, who are the first ones to complain about government inefficiency, pass a bill that destroyed the postal service, an entity that doesn't even receive taxpayer dollars for their operation. They're having to pay billions of dollars each year into a fund for the retirement of people who aren't even working yet. It seems counter to the image of the Republican party.

Edit: Spelling is hard.

It's just accounting. From what I've read it was an attempt at resolving* the USPS's financial woes, though it was an imperfect attempt - and a, largely, inflexible one at that.

Something boring from the CBO here.

A nice Bloomberg article here.

Edit: As stated in both links about 25% of private companies voluntarily use this accounting treatment because they deem it appropriate - not because they are trying to destroy themselves!

*Edit 2: By resolve I do not mean fix. The underlying economic issues facing the USPS mean that pain must be felt. The legislation passed by Republicans was aimed at answering the question "who will will bear the pain and by what means?" and not aimed at reducing the pain - that's a task for the USPS itself.

This is very puzzling to me.

How is it that a monopoly, such as the USPS, goes broke?

Is it because they are required to fund the health care costs of retired employees as the article says? Clearly, FedEx isn't broke, is that because they don't have to? Or is the USPS broke because of legislation that demands they provide more service than they can profitably afford, such as requiring mail to be delivered everyday, at a certain speed, everywhere in the country, etc? And couldn't the USPS pass the cost onto customers so that they are profitable, or does the government cap the amount USPS is allowed to charge?

Anyway, mail is old fashioned. People should use email. Government agencies seem to send everything my mail, they should stop this. Letters should be emailed and the postal service should be exclusively for parcels, or other things that cannot be emailed.

USPS will live by special laws and die by special laws. It is not truely private and it is not truely a government responsibility either. It is a "monopoly" in the sense that it has government ties. It is a competitive company in the sense that it competes where private companies feel they can profitably compete. The line is blurry and unless something drastical happens USPS will be stone-dead in a few decades because private companies has been lobbying for it or because the areas where they do not have competition is too hard to turn a profit on. Whether it is a tragedy that USPS dies is irrelevant and how fast it dies is mostly political, but with its current structure it is doomed to die at some point no matter what!
Repeat before me
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2013 18:21 GMT
#1909
President Barack Obama nominated openly gay Justice Department attorney Todd Hughes to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit on Thursday, a move that drew praise from LGBT groups. Hughes would be the first openly gay judge to sit on the federal appeals court bench if confirmed by the Senate.

Chuck Wolfe, president and CEO of the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund and Institute, issued a statement applauding Obama for the nomination.

"If confirmed, Todd Hughes would become the first openly gay federal appeals court judge in U.S. history. His nomination is a testament to the expanding opportunities for openly LGBT Americans who want to serve their country, and to the president's respect for the depth of talent and experience within the LGBT community. We look forward to his confirmation by the U.S. Senate," Wolfe said.

It's not the first time the president has nominated an openly gay man to the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. In April 2010, Obama nominated Deward DuMont. After waiting more than 18 months for a confirmation hearing, however, he withdrew his nomination.

Obama also nominated Raymond Chen, a lawyer in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, for the Court of Appeals, on Thursday.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 20:18:08
February 08 2013 19:47 GMT
#1910
On February 08 2013 22:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 02:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 06 2013 23:49 Saryph wrote:
So the Post Office is cancelling delivery of mail on Saturdays in an attempt to cut costs.

This is a consequence of the lame duck session of Congress in December of 2006, when in two days a Republican controlled Congress introduced and passed through both houses a law that has placed an unfair burden on, and essentially bankrupted, the postal service.

I have a question for some of the more frequent posters here. Why did the Republicans, who are the first ones to complain about government inefficiency, pass a bill that destroyed the postal service, an entity that doesn't even receive taxpayer dollars for their operation. They're having to pay billions of dollars each year into a fund for the retirement of people who aren't even working yet. It seems counter to the image of the Republican party.

Edit: Spelling is hard.

It's just accounting. From what I've read it was an attempt at resolving* the USPS's financial woes, though it was an imperfect attempt - and a, largely, inflexible one at that.

Something boring from the CBO here.

A nice Bloomberg article here.

Edit: As stated in both links about 25% of private companies voluntarily use this accounting treatment because they deem it appropriate - not because they are trying to destroy themselves!

*Edit 2: By resolve I do not mean fix. The underlying economic issues facing the USPS mean that pain must be felt. The legislation passed by Republicans was aimed at answering the question "who will will bear the pain and by what means?" and not aimed at reducing the pain - that's a task for the USPS itself.

This is very puzzling to me.

How is it that a monopoly, such as the USPS, goes broke?

Is it because they are required to fund the health care costs of retired employees as the article says? Clearly, FedEx isn't broke, is that because they don't have to? Or is the USPS broke because of legislation that demands they provide more service than they can profitably afford, such as requiring mail to be delivered everyday, at a certain speed, everywhere in the country, etc? And couldn't the USPS pass the cost onto customers so that they are profitable, or does the government cap the amount USPS is allowed to charge?

Anyway, mail is old fashioned. People should use email. Government agencies seem to send everything my mail, they should stop this. Letters should be emailed and the postal service should be exclusively for parcels, or other things that cannot be emailed.

The accounting issue is a bit of a red herring. The retirement costs are real - they exist and therefore they must be accounted and paid for somehow. FedEx may not be required to pre-pay the benefits, but they are required to account for them. The core issue at USPS is that revenues are falling faster than expenses: even if the pre-pay requirement is removed this remains true:
[image loading]Link

So even if we ignore the expense (or assume the USPS will default on that obligation) the USPS is still running at a loss. USPS does have regulatory requirements that hobble their ability to restructure but I'm unsure how big a deal that is. The USPS is capped on raising postage rates by inflation. The USPS has been raising rates and revenue has fallen slower than mail volume, but there's a tradeoff there - as rates rise volume should fall faster as more customers move to electronic alternatives. The USPS is also required to deliver mail everywhere but that comes with the territory. If they shed that requirement than they lose a lot of public support for their monopoly.

The situation reminds me of the baby bell telecoms. As cell phones became more popular the landlines business went into decline and painful restructuring ensued and in many cases is still ongoing.

Edit: Comparing to FedEx is OK, but FedEx mainly delivers parcels while USPS is mainly letter delivery. Parcel delivery is growing along with e-commerce, while letter delivery is declining. Parcel and letter delivery also have different underlying cost / revenue characteristics. It's a useful comparison to make but its not apples to apples.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 08 2013 23:14 GMT
#1911
On February 09 2013 04:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 22:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
On February 07 2013 02:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 06 2013 23:49 Saryph wrote:
So the Post Office is cancelling delivery of mail on Saturdays in an attempt to cut costs.

This is a consequence of the lame duck session of Congress in December of 2006, when in two days a Republican controlled Congress introduced and passed through both houses a law that has placed an unfair burden on, and essentially bankrupted, the postal service.

I have a question for some of the more frequent posters here. Why did the Republicans, who are the first ones to complain about government inefficiency, pass a bill that destroyed the postal service, an entity that doesn't even receive taxpayer dollars for their operation. They're having to pay billions of dollars each year into a fund for the retirement of people who aren't even working yet. It seems counter to the image of the Republican party.

Edit: Spelling is hard.

It's just accounting. From what I've read it was an attempt at resolving* the USPS's financial woes, though it was an imperfect attempt - and a, largely, inflexible one at that.

Something boring from the CBO here.

A nice Bloomberg article here.

Edit: As stated in both links about 25% of private companies voluntarily use this accounting treatment because they deem it appropriate - not because they are trying to destroy themselves!

*Edit 2: By resolve I do not mean fix. The underlying economic issues facing the USPS mean that pain must be felt. The legislation passed by Republicans was aimed at answering the question "who will will bear the pain and by what means?" and not aimed at reducing the pain - that's a task for the USPS itself.

This is very puzzling to me.

How is it that a monopoly, such as the USPS, goes broke?

Is it because they are required to fund the health care costs of retired employees as the article says? Clearly, FedEx isn't broke, is that because they don't have to? Or is the USPS broke because of legislation that demands they provide more service than they can profitably afford, such as requiring mail to be delivered everyday, at a certain speed, everywhere in the country, etc? And couldn't the USPS pass the cost onto customers so that they are profitable, or does the government cap the amount USPS is allowed to charge?

Anyway, mail is old fashioned. People should use email. Government agencies seem to send everything my mail, they should stop this. Letters should be emailed and the postal service should be exclusively for parcels, or other things that cannot be emailed.

The accounting issue is a bit of a red herring. The retirement costs are real - they exist and therefore they must be accounted and paid for somehow. FedEx may not be required to pre-pay the benefits, but they are required to account for them. The core issue at USPS is that revenues are falling faster than expenses: even if the pre-pay requirement is removed this remains true:
[image loading]Link

So even if we ignore the expense (or assume the USPS will default on that obligation) the USPS is still running at a loss. USPS does have regulatory requirements that hobble their ability to restructure but I'm unsure how big a deal that is. The USPS is capped on raising postage rates by inflation. The USPS has been raising rates and revenue has fallen slower than mail volume, but there's a tradeoff there - as rates rise volume should fall faster as more customers move to electronic alternatives. The USPS is also required to deliver mail everywhere but that comes with the territory. If they shed that requirement than they lose a lot of public support for their monopoly.

The situation reminds me of the baby bell telecoms. As cell phones became more popular the landlines business went into decline and painful restructuring ensued and in many cases is still ongoing.

Edit: Comparing to FedEx is OK, but FedEx mainly delivers parcels while USPS is mainly letter delivery. Parcel delivery is growing along with e-commerce, while letter delivery is declining. Parcel and letter delivery also have different underlying cost / revenue characteristics. It's a useful comparison to make but its not apples to apples.

As a side note, I hate it when graphs truncate the bottom of the scale. Obviously, it's bad that USPS is running deficits, but that graph makes it look like something HUGE is going on at first glance.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
February 08 2013 23:32 GMT
#1912
It's also worth pointing out that the USPS isn't allowed to hold on to any surplus money in the years when they do make a profit. Which is perfectly fine really, except that people think the USPS running at a deficit is some huge problem. The USPS is a function of the government, mandated by the Constitution. Even if it costs the taxpayers money, there is no reason that it should "go broke", and frankly it provides excellent service for what is quite a bargain to the government when you factor in the surpluses they've made. Even if the Post Office lost money every year, as long as it's still providing vital service and not hemorrhaging money, there's really no reason to attack it.
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2013 01:05 GMT
#1913
Find it ironic that Karl Rove and the Tea Party are fighting which is further dragging down the Republican Party. If only there were enough Moderates in the party to kick out both and start the healing process.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 11 2013 20:50 GMT
#1914
SotU tomorrow night. I'm not sure if I'm going to watch/listen. Been kinda frustrated with all this debt talk on both sides while unemployment is being completely ignored. Living around a bunch of Republican business owners, most of them don't realize how little the national debt affects them and how much government spending does, especially with most being 1 or 2 degrees away from DoD contractors. I feel like everybody is being overcome with idiocy and misplaced priorities.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 11 2013 23:39 GMT
#1915
If Ted Nugent actually shouts during the SotU it will be an amazing gift to Democrats. John Boehner must be terrified that he can't control his own caucus.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 14:16:11
February 12 2013 14:07 GMT
#1916
SotU tonight. The media buzz seems to suggest that Obama will focus on jobs, instead of the counterproductive obsession with deficits. Hopefully, he really will focus on jobs, ask for more spending on infrastructure, education, etc. It's doubtful that he will get it, but reshaping the public debate is a important step now.

I don't think he can completely ignore talking about deficits, given that the sequester is imminent. He should clearly reject Republicans saying that there will be no tax hikes as the deal averting the fiscal cliff contained entirely tax hikes. This ignores the fact that the deficit reduction deal of 2011 contained entirely spending cuts, much more so than recent tax hikes. In fact, and I know this will never happen, he should ask for the sequester to be delayed until 1 year after the unemployment rate hits 6.5%.

Obama should continue to assert that the best way to achieve fiscal sustainability is not through cuts and suffering but through growth and jobs. It would also be good, if he outlines some debt relief for underwater homeowners, and ways to make it easier for them to refinance, or otherwise fix the drag caused by the slow housing recovery.

However, SotUs usually seem to achieve nothing substantial. So one should not expect much.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 14:57:10
February 12 2013 14:24 GMT
#1917
So what is SotU, when is it and where can i watch/listen? Thanks in advance.

ah. State of the Union address i presume.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
February 12 2013 16:05 GMT
#1918
On February 12 2013 08:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If Ted Nugent actually shouts during the SotU it will be an amazing gift to Democrats. John Boehner must be terrified that he can't control his own caucus.


If I were writing that speech I would probably make sure to add in a few gun violence parts just to see if Ted can control himself because I dont see a way he doesnt make himself look bad the question is though how bad.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 12 2013 16:15 GMT
#1919
On February 12 2013 23:24 Grettin wrote:
So what is SotU, when is it and where can i watch/listen? Thanks in advance.

ah. State of the Union address i presume.

Indeed. CNN will probably have an online stream, but I normally tune into the radio (to avoid a lot of the stupid commentary).
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
February 12 2013 19:26 GMT
#1920
On February 12 2013 23:07 paralleluniverse wrote:
SotU tonight. The media buzz seems to suggest that Obama will focus on jobs, instead of the counterproductive obsession with deficits. Hopefully, he really will focus on jobs, ask for more spending on infrastructure, education, etc. It's doubtful that he will get it, but reshaping the public debate is a important step now.

I don't think he can completely ignore talking about deficits, given that the sequester is imminent. He should clearly reject Republicans saying that there will be no tax hikes as the deal averting the fiscal cliff contained entirely tax hikes. This ignores the fact that the deficit reduction deal of 2011 contained entirely spending cuts, much more so than recent tax hikes. In fact, and I know this will never happen, he should ask for the sequester to be delayed until 1 year after the unemployment rate hits 6.5%.

Obama should continue to assert that the best way to achieve fiscal sustainability is not through cuts and suffering but through growth and jobs. It would also be good, if he outlines some debt relief for underwater homeowners, and ways to make it easier for them to refinance, or otherwise fix the drag caused by the slow housing recovery.

However, SotUs usually seem to achieve nothing substantial. So one should not expect much.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think those cuts were just reductions in the baseline growth rate of spending.
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