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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2017 19:33 GMT
#191601
On December 21 2017 04:29 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 04:26 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:24 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:23 Introvert wrote:
A follow up to a strangely interesting story I posted earlier.


So now both sides search through every discounted ballot to find one they can contest in their favor?


I don't know but I doubt it. The circumstances around this one were a little odd. It involves an election worker noticing the ballot and writing a letter. The Democrats lawyers argued it couldn't be even considered since it was too late.


What prevents this election worker from being the one to mess with it?

Jail time. Getting caught trying to rig an election carries some serious penalties.
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TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5035 Posts
December 20 2017 19:37 GMT
#191602
prob going to count again anyways , unless it's not allowed when you already had one, lol

§ 24.2-674. Determination by lot in case of tie.
If two or more persons have an equal number of votes for any county, city, town, or district office, and a higher number than any other person, the electoral board shall proceed publicly to determine by lot which of the candidates shall be declared elected.

If any two or more persons have an equal number of votes and a higher number than any other person for member of the General Assembly or of the Congress of the United States, or elector of President and Vice President of the United States, the State Board of Elections shall proceed publicly to determine by lot which of them shall be declared elected. Reasonable notice shall be given to such candidates of the time when such elections shall be so determined; and if they, or either of them, shall fail to appear in accordance with such notice, the Board shall proceed so as to determine the election in their absence.

Any person who loses the determination by lot may petition for a recount pursuant to Article 1 (§ 24.2-800 et seq.) of Chapter 8 of this title.


https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter6/section24.2-674/
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 20 2017 19:59 GMT
#191603
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9069 Posts
December 20 2017 20:09 GMT
#191604
Fuck kids. What have they done to earn that? They can get a job and be contributing members to society. Besides my kids. They're exempt /s
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5035 Posts
December 20 2017 20:10 GMT
#191605
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
December 20 2017 20:13 GMT
#191606
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?
Skol
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 20 2017 20:14 GMT
#191607
On December 21 2017 02:33 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 02:25 Danglars wrote:
On December 21 2017 01:48 IyMoon wrote:
On December 21 2017 01:46 Danglars wrote:
Since I haven’t seen it reported in the thread yet, the Senate passed the conference tax bill early this morning just before 1am. The House has to re-pass it due to some the technicalities, but it’s as good as passed now. Trump will sign it the second it hits his desk, and will hold a congratulatory press conference today.


I am looking forward to my projected 2k tax cut and for all the poor peoples services to be cut so I can have it. Thank god for being middle class

If you feel bad about not giving the federal government the amount it said you owed before, you can overpay your taxes. That is an option for you.


Can't help but laugh at this. You are obviously being sarcastic because nobody is going to give back free money. Yet this is exactly what the tax deal is asking businesses to do.

"Man, we have all this additional free money we didn't have before. I almost feel bad that it's at the expense of most everyone else."

"Why don't you trickle down some of your new money then, huh? Maybe raise salaries and hire new people?"

"LOL, fuck that noise. I'm going to prop up our stock prices and increase executive bonuses!"

He looks forward too all the public services that are being cut to give him a 2k tax cut. I’m helping him assuage the guilt.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2017 20:16 GMT
#191608
If Republicans supported Chip, it would pass and be funded. They don’t, but don’t want the bad press for trying to kill it. So they push through bills that they know Democrats can’t support.

Poison pilling a bill is a very old trick to vote for legislation that you know won’t pass, but has a very nice title and will get good headlines. The fact that Republicans are out there claiming they want to support CHIP when they could have just renewed it is a giant pile of bullshit.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
December 20 2017 20:18 GMT
#191609
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.
Show nested quote +

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5035 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-20 20:22:37
December 20 2017 20:22 GMT
#191610
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
December 20 2017 20:24 GMT
#191611
On December 21 2017 05:22 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.

idk if you’ve been paying attention, but they just passed a massive tax cut. you think, while preparing to strip away the ACA and killing medicare and medicaid, that they’ll find money for CHIP? or that they even want it?

good one.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 20 2017 20:24 GMT
#191612
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?

What in gods name do you do for a living?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5035 Posts
December 20 2017 20:26 GMT
#191613
On December 21 2017 05:24 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:22 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.

idk if you’ve been paying attention, but they just passed a massive tax cut. you think, while preparing to strip away the ACA and killing medicare and medicaid, that they’ll find money for CHIP? or that they even want it?

good one.


You need the cartoon villain version of Republicans out of your head. Of course it will be funded. We can both wait and see.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 20 2017 20:28 GMT
#191614
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?

on the net probably not.
there's several particulars which would affect whether or not you personally see savings. so we'd need more info to say.
also, it's not paid for; it's financed by debt. so even if you nominally save some money, it may amount to a net loss once you factor the cost of paying off the extra debt caused by it (which will undoubtedly require higher taxes/lower spending at some future point).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 20 2017 20:31 GMT
#191615
On December 21 2017 05:26 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:24 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:22 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.

idk if you’ve been paying attention, but they just passed a massive tax cut. you think, while preparing to strip away the ACA and killing medicare and medicaid, that they’ll find money for CHIP? or that they even want it?

good one.


You need the cartoon villain version of Republicans out of your head. Of course it will be funded. We can both wait and see.

the republicans have just literally PROVEN they're cartoon villains; thus its' entirely justified to view them as such.

here's a question though: if republicans truly want to fund CHIP, why not simply introduce a clean bill that funds CHIP, and nothing else? then CHIP would have its funds no question. no way the democrats would turn that down.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
December 20 2017 20:32 GMT
#191616
Taking the standard deduction and personal exemption with a $40k salary would have resulted in a federal tax bill of $3515

Taking the new standard deduction with a $40k salary will not result in a federal tax bill of $2979

So from that perspective, sure you might save a bit of money. There are lots of reasons why your expense might go UP however
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 20 2017 20:32 GMT
#191617
On December 21 2017 05:26 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:24 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:22 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.

idk if you’ve been paying attention, but they just passed a massive tax cut. you think, while preparing to strip away the ACA and killing medicare and medicaid, that they’ll find money for CHIP? or that they even want it?

good one.


You need the cartoon villain version of Republicans out of your head. Of course it will be funded. We can both wait and see.

They cut taxes for rich people and then can't figure out how to pay for poor children's healthcare. This could be writen by Charles dickens.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 20 2017 20:33 GMT
#191618
On December 21 2017 05:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?

What in gods name do you do for a living?

why would you be surprised? it sounds like a fairly typical wage.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-20 20:44:27
December 20 2017 20:34 GMT
#191619
On December 21 2017 05:26 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 05:24 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:22 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?


You could check some rough calculators that news places like the NYT have.


On December 21 2017 05:18 brian wrote:
On December 21 2017 05:10 Introvert wrote:
On December 21 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/943549892886134784



Looks like it's time to post this.

Late-night host Jimmy Kimmel on Dec. 11 stepped out of his comedic role and offered a commentary on the reauthorization of the Children’s Health Insurance Program, after introducing his son Billy, who has a serious heart issue. His presentation was a bit one-sided, and readers requested a fact check. It’s often difficult to describe Washington sausage-making in shorthand, and Kimmel fell short in several areas, appearing to pin most of the blame on Republicans — even though he was careful not to mention party affiliation.

So, in the video above and the text below, we offer a quick guide to his rhetoric. Since this is akin to a round-up, we’re not awarding Pinocchios.

***

About 1 in 8 children are covered only by CHIP, and it’s not controversial. It’s not a partisan thing. In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015. It passed with a vote of 392 to 37 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate. Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it. Until now.

Support for CHIP remains bipartisan. Kimmel starts to go off the rails by suggesting that support is no longer bipartisan.

The federal fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, which is why funding technically ran out when CHIP was not reauthorized. But states may continue to spend unspent 2017 allotments and funds from earlier years. Only three states and the District were projected to exhaust their funds by the end of December; more than half the states would run out of funds if fiscal year 2018 funding is not set by the end of March. That’s the kind of deadline that focuses the attention of lawmakers.

In any case, the stopgap spending bill approved in early December included a provision that permits the Department of Health and Human Services to shift funds internally to help states whose CHIP programs are running out of money. Congressional leaders are expected to continue negotiating a long-term reauthorization of the program in the coming weeks.

Now CHIP has become a bargaining chip. It’s on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer, diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month. Merry Christmas, right?

Kimmel falsely suggests that CHIP has become bargaining chip as part of the negotiations over the tax plan. It’s actually part of the usual year-end negotiations in Congress. Few lawmakers are really against CHIP; the question is how to fund it.

The GOP-led House of Representatives on Nov. 3 passed a CHIP reauthorization bill by a vote of 242-174, with most Democrats voting against it because of funding offsets. In particular, they objected to shortening the grace period for Obamacare enrollees who fail to make premium payments. House Republicans have complained that Democrats have not countered with their own funding proposals, while Democrats have said offsets should not be necessary when the tax bills will add to the federal budget deficit. They have instead pushed for a “clean bill” rather than one with “poison pills.”


The Senate Finance Committee in October approved its own version of the CHIP funding extension, but agreement has not been reached on how to fund it. Still, it’s quite possible a deal will be reached before Christmas. Lawmakers want to leave town before then.


just some excerpts from this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/13/fact-checking-jimmy-kimmel-on-chip-funding/

is your expectation that they’ll find the money to fund CHIP for the next fiscal year? (lol)


You don't? They all WANT to fund it.

idk if you’ve been paying attention, but they just passed a massive tax cut. you think, while preparing to strip away the ACA and killing medicare and medicaid, that they’ll find money for CHIP? or that they even want it?

good one.


You need the cartoon villain version of Republicans out of your head. Of course it will be funded. We can both wait and see.


what’s in my head? they passed the bill and Ryan is repeatedly on record against medicare and medicaid. i’m sorry if you’re offended by being aligned with them, but it takes blinders to not see it coming.

if they actually wanted to prolong CHIP they could pass it themselves, as proven with the tax bill. ‘Republicans’ cartoon villains? Maybe not. Congressional Republicans? i mean, probably. they just defunded the government to the tune of 1.5 trillions and couldn’t find the money for sick children? that’s not in my head dude.

your own article points out that their only attempt to fund it so far was an additional cut to the ACA lol. they are across the board slashing subsidized health care.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 20 2017 20:34 GMT
#191620
On December 21 2017 05:13 Emnjay808 wrote:
As someone who works 60hrs a week and only nets 40k/yr does this tax overhaul thing help me?

Small cut most likely, but I don’t know your dependents or deductions.
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