EPTI mean, part of why Jones ran is likely that none of the R options were great here. Moore is a garbage fire of a candidate even before the underage girl stuff, what with being forcibly removed from the state Supreme Court twice and barely squeaking in (relative to the Alabama norm) the second time.
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I mean, part of why Jones ran is likely that none of the R options were great here. Moore is a garbage fire of a candidate even before the underage girl stuff, what with being forcibly removed from the state Supreme Court twice and barely squeaking in (relative to the Alabama norm) the second time. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2017 23:57 farvacola wrote: Chalk it up to how impotent the DNC has become, though the across the board weakening of unions is also at fault here. Hopefully, Jones' win will shake up establishment attitudes towards ostensibly long shot races. If they can win in Alabama, they can win anywhere with a good candidate. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21668 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:19 Plansix wrote: If they can win in Alabama, they can win anywhere with a good candidate. Was this the Dems having a good candidate or the Republicans have a possibly the worst candidate they could have ever found? My money is on the latter. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:28 Gorsameth wrote: Was this the Dems having a good candidate or the Republicans have a possibly the worst candidate they could have ever found? My money is on the latter. Honestly both. I think Jones' connections with civil rights advocacy was a major part in turning out the black vote here. | ||
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brian
United States9618 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:28 Gorsameth wrote: Was this the Dems having a good candidate or the Republicans have a possibly the worst candidate they could have ever found? My money is on the latter. this seems like the easiest and most sensible conclusion, but they did elect trump by a landslide. On December 14 2017 00:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/940955920967880704 some real ground breaking politics. you mean you want qualified politicians in public office? well shit, it’s a new dawn. | ||
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LegalLord
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
That this was even close is still scary. I guess many people in Alabama now feel a bit like democrats felt when Trump got elected ^^. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:40 LegalLord wrote: Perhaps what one could learn from all this is that it’s not just about the other person sucking but also about finding people who genuinely want to vote for you, not just reluctantly, and getting them to vote. I know it’s easy to play the shitty game of identity politics and “have you seen the other guy” but Jones did what both Trump and Sanders did to fight well above their weight class: they inspired key voting blocs to turn out in droves for them. Isn't inspiring key voting blocs to turn out an extremely euphemistic way of saying identity politics? | ||
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brian
United States9618 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/940643564068966402 as if there would be a world in which those events would play out well for her or the WH | ||
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
Probably like the general election for Hillary. The 74% of white men who voted for Moore is frustrating. I see that kinda divide in my workplace in Michigan. Its really hard to convince these guys not to vote republican. They dont have much empathy unless an issue directly affects them personally. Only then do they ever seem to change their mind. Its like they grew up without all of the empathy training people normally get as children. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:57 kollin wrote: Isn't inspiring key voting blocs to turn out an extremely euphemistic way of saying identity politics? Only if you already intended to say identity politics in the first place and want to shoehorn it in. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 14 2017 00:57 kollin wrote: Isn't inspiring key voting blocs to turn out an extremely euphemistic way of saying identity politics? yes; most people who use the term identity politics use it as a pejorative in an unjustified way that ignores the reality of how politics works and the extent to which much of politics is identity politics. basically, these days most people usin the term "identity politics" in a serious fashion are spouting nonsense and/or complainin gbecause it's about identity groups they don't like. | ||
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brian
United States9618 Posts
On December 14 2017 01:04 LegalLord wrote: Only if you already intended to say identity politics in the first place and want to shoehorn it in. in what way do you intend people to woo these key blocs if not identity politics? do you think black people or women have special fiscal interests that motivate them to vote? (genuinely asking) it’s hard for me to separate social policy from identity politics, but that may also be conflated by the difference in opinion of the two sides on almost every social issue of the day. train below cites universal issues but i’d be interested in which of them (that are relevant today) wouldn’t be considered identity politics? does healthcare even fit the bill anymore here? yea nvm i’ve basically just talked to myself out loud here | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On December 14 2017 01:04 LegalLord wrote: Only if you already intended to say identity politics in the first place and want to shoehorn it in. You dont have to play identity politics to get people to turn out and vote, you have to inspire them. There are plenty of universal issues that need to be addressed, and can be addressed without going off the deep end. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
With democrats usually being so cynical and hopeless, the fact that democrats even tried speaks volumes to me. Alabama is Alabama. This wasn't a blowout. 49.9 to 48.4 clearly shows Jones would have lost without the enormous effort to help him win. After losing Wisconsin, I must admit I had almost zero faith in the DNC. My interest is piqued. | ||
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