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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 13 2017 04:47 GMT
#190141
Difficult to understate the importance of this. Not only does it make it even harder for the Republicans to pass garbage in the Senate, it greatly increases the odds of a Democratic takeover of the Senate in 2018 which has major implications for the judiciary.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
December 13 2017 04:47 GMT
#190142
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:52 GMT
#190143
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:57:50
December 13 2017 04:55 GMT
#190144
Identity politics works, it turns out.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 13 2017 04:57 GMT
#190145
Moore could pay for a recount himself but at 20k votes and 1.5% margin there's like, no fucking way it turns it for him. I don't doubt he'll be able to set up a gofundme and get his followers to send him some teenage interns, but it's a waste of money.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:59 GMT
#190146
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
December 13 2017 05:01 GMT
#190147
On December 13 2017 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/940807412449206272

Ew, no. Calling for Trump to resign just makes us look desperate. Remembering when we gave Republicans shit for trying to eliminate the ACA?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 05:01 GMT
#190148
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 05:14:35
December 13 2017 05:14 GMT
#190149
On December 13 2017 13:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/940807412449206272


Intolerance against the outgroup is only surpassed in stringency when the target is virtually you + an unforgivable small difference.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 05:36 GMT
#190150
Some good news.

A powerful court ruled on Tuesday that an Obama-era ban on new uranium mines around the Grand Canyon should stay in place, though celebration on the environment side was tempered by expectations the government itself will now side with mining interests to end the ban. A separate, but linked, ruling on an older mine was a defeat for a Native American tribe.

The mining industry and a coalition of Republicans in Arizona and Utah had hoped for court support to tear down an order from the Obama administration in 2012 that protected a million acres of land around the Grand Canyon from mining development for 20 years. But they lost in the ninth circuit court of appeals in San Francisco on Tuesday.

The court ruling effectively confirmed that the ban is lawful and the government has the power to impose it. But the government is now represented by Donald Trump and, in the case of mining, interior secretary Ryan Zinke, who are mining enthusiasts.

The National Mining Association, which had fought for the ban to be struck down as illegal by the courts, declared itself disappointed with the decision. But it added, in a statement: “It is now time for the Congress and the administration, working with the impacted states, to re-evaluate whether the withdrawal [from uranium mining claims – ie the ban] was justified based on the scientific, technical and socio-economic facts.”

Ryan Zinke was the unlikely defendant in the case, sued by the National Mining Association – because he inherited the agency that made the decision under then-interior secretary Ken Salazar in 2012.

Roger Clark, program director at the Grand Canyon Trust, an environmental advocacy group in Arizona, said it was “fortunate” that the judge ruled there was “sufficient evidence of risks to water, wildlife and people to justify a 20-year ban on new uranium mines”.

The court upheld what it called the order’s “risk-averse approach” to protecting the Grand Canyon.

When Salazar announced the ban he said it was “the right approach for this priceless American landscape”.

In June, 2017, a coalition of conservative leaders in the region wrote to Zinke urging that the ban be overturned, which the Guardian revealed at the launch of a series about increased environmental threats to America’s public lands.

“If the court had upheld the appeal from the mining interests then the ban would no longer be in effect, so Trump would not have to end it and we would have nothing left to defend,” said Clark.

Mining Association spokesman Luke Popovich said the Grand Canyon national park safeguarded a wide area.

“There is protected acreage surrounding the scenic wonder in order to ensure the prized elements of the canyon and the water quality of the Colorado River are not impaired,” he said.

The plaintiffs in the case against the mining ban were the National Mining Association and the Arizona Utah Local Economic Coalition. Defendants were Zinke, other federal agencies, environmental advocacy groups and the Havasupai tribe.


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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
December 13 2017 06:15 GMT
#190151
[image loading]

Left is Presidential. Right is the Special.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
December 13 2017 06:28 GMT
#190152
I was caught up for a bit, but I caught the news Jones won. Call me astonished and relieved. Never expected Alabama to vote in a Democrat, but after Trump last year, I guess the other side was due their own surprise election victory. If the 2018 Blue Tide adherents wanted a sign the waves are changing, this was it.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
December 13 2017 06:46 GMT
#190153
On one hand it's a good thing to see that americans can think before voting. On the other hand a pedophile/slavery apologist almost won in 2017, what a country.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 13 2017 07:30 GMT
#190154
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21670 Posts
December 13 2017 10:15 GMT
#190155
On December 13 2017 13:13 Introvert wrote:
I hope that the guts it took to stay home pays off for the conservatives of Alabama, and for all conservatives.

Implying that it takes guts to not vote a child molester into the Senate instead of the most basic level of human decency.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23222 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 10:46:24
December 13 2017 10:45 GMT
#190156
On December 13 2017 19:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 13:13 Introvert wrote:
I hope that the guts it took to stay home pays off for the conservatives of Alabama, and for all conservatives.

Implying that it takes guts to not vote a child molester into the Senate instead of the most basic level of human decency.


He was a pretty shameful candidate besides that, I mean reaching back for slavery and before women or black people could vote is pretty deplorable too.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
December 13 2017 11:03 GMT
#190157
On December 13 2017 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:19 Nebuchad wrote:
NYT estimate says Jones' got the edge so far

(why the fuck am I awake for this seriously)


Jones is going to lose, go to sleep.

A great quote if I ever saw one.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 13 2017 11:20 GMT
#190158
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
December 13 2017 11:26 GMT
#190159
On December 13 2017 20:03 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:19 Nebuchad wrote:
NYT estimate says Jones' got the edge so far

(why the fuck am I awake for this seriously)


Jones is going to lose, go to sleep.

A great quote if I ever saw one.


He was right, for the record. I feel like trash today.
No will to live, no wish to die
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
December 13 2017 11:29 GMT
#190160
I got the best of both worlds; went to bed early and woke up to good news
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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