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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
December 13 2017 04:19 GMT
#190121
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:21:22
December 13 2017 04:19 GMT
#190122
On December 13 2017 13:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


Mcconnel's own games cost him.

Meanwhile, poor Al Franken, now he has to actually resign. A few weeks will turn into a few days I suspect.

edit: a little old, but true

"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:20:03
December 13 2017 04:19 GMT
#190123
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


On the tax bill or in general?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:21 GMT
#190124
What...?!

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:22:20
December 13 2017 04:21 GMT
#190125
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


He is and has been in serious trouble for a while, regardless of what happened tonight. So many people hate him (including the sitting Predisent). If he pushes the tax bill through before Jones is sworn in, he'll be no worse off really-nothing else was going to get through by 2018.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
December 13 2017 04:28 GMT
#190126
On December 13 2017 13:19 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


On the tax bill or in general?

My feeling is that McConnell was barely kept around though clearly not doing "well enough". I think he was only kept around for utility. Moore winning shows he doesn't have enough utility.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 04:29 GMT
#190127
On December 13 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


He is and has been in serious trouble for a while, regardless of what happened tonight. So many people hate him (including the sitting Predisent). If he pushes the tax bill through before Jones is sworn in, he'll be no worse off really-nothing else was going to get through by 2018.

The senate is in play in 2018 now. McConnel and the GOP is beyond fucked. They are going to face ACA levels of backlash, but they won't have Obama in the White House. What do they do if Democrats get Obama level black turn out for 2 elections in a row?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:30 GMT
#190128
He's going to demand a recount.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
December 13 2017 04:32 GMT
#190129
On December 13 2017 13:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


He is and has been in serious trouble for a while, regardless of what happened tonight. So many people hate him (including the sitting Predisent). If he pushes the tax bill through before Jones is sworn in, he'll be no worse off really-nothing else was going to get through by 2018.

The senate is in play in 2018 now. McConnel and the GOP is beyond fucked. They are going to face ACA levels of backlash, but they won't have Obama in the White House. What do they do if Democrats get Obama level black turn out for 2 elections in a row?

Here's to hoping we start catering to blacks more intently. They got us Obama and Jones.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:33:25
December 13 2017 04:32 GMT
#190130
fucking called it.

They are demanding a recount.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
December 13 2017 04:36 GMT
#190131
How likely do you think it is for the count to go the other way conveniently after an election where judges ruled paper records could be destroyed?
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 13 2017 04:36 GMT
#190132
Didnt he lose by more than would trigger a recount?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:37 GMT
#190133
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 04:38 GMT
#190134
On December 13 2017 13:36 Adreme wrote:
Didnt he lose by more than would trigger a recount?

Yes. Which is why the rule exists, to prevent candidates from throwing shade on the results.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:39:13
December 13 2017 04:38 GMT
#190135
On December 13 2017 13:36 Adreme wrote:
Didnt he lose by more than would trigger a recount?


not sure how it works in Alabama but there's a difference between an automatic recount and requesting a recount. No idea what the laws are though or if you can even request a recount at all.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:45:26
December 13 2017 04:38 GMT
#190136
On December 13 2017 13:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
fucking called it.

They are demanding a recount.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/940801682509885441


I think he's talking about counting the write-ins, maybe? Because there's pretty much no basis for a recount here, required or otherwise. It's going to be >1.5%. And that's without provisional ballots that would be counted in a recount situation, I think.

They tried to pull similar crap in NC, it quickly fell apart (and there the margin was much smaller than in AL proportionally). Moore is just desperate to remain relevant just like McCrory was.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 04:39 GMT
#190137
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
December 13 2017 04:40 GMT
#190138
On December 13 2017 13:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/940801293517578240

"No, no, my deeply fucked up state tends to let me get away with whatever and still get what I want. It'll work itself out."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:46:00
December 13 2017 04:44 GMT
#190139


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 04:48:42
December 13 2017 04:46 GMT
#190140
On December 13 2017 13:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 13:29 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2017 13:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On December 13 2017 13:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else think this puts McConnel in serious trouble?


He is and has been in serious trouble for a while, regardless of what happened tonight. So many people hate him (including the sitting Predisent). If he pushes the tax bill through before Jones is sworn in, he'll be no worse off really-nothing else was going to get through by 2018.

The senate is in play in 2018 now. McConnel and the GOP is beyond fucked. They are going to face ACA levels of backlash, but they won't have Obama in the White House. What do they do if Democrats get Obama level black turn out for 2 elections in a row?

Here's to hoping we start catering to blacks more intently. They got us Obama and Jones.

A Republican won the Senate seat in MA. Ted Kennedys seat. Democrats got dumpstered in 2010. And people loved Obama, but it didn't matter against fired up Republicans afraid the black man was coming for their guns and health care. I don't think they are as fired up as black folks and democrats are now. People be pissed. Obama ran on hope and yes we can. Trump ran on fuck your feelings and democratic apathy. All people need is a good candidate and for state politics to be state politics.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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