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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23295 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 11:49:21
December 13 2017 11:48 GMT
#190161
On December 13 2017 20:03 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:19 Nebuchad wrote:
NYT estimate says Jones' got the edge so far

(why the fuck am I awake for this seriously)


Jones is going to lose, go to sleep.

A great quote if I ever saw one.


Haha, figure it was a win, win. Either I get to be right or Moore loses.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2017 12:19 GMT
#190162
On December 13 2017 20:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 20:03 farvacola wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 13 2017 11:19 Nebuchad wrote:
NYT estimate says Jones' got the edge so far

(why the fuck am I awake for this seriously)


Jones is going to lose, go to sleep.

A great quote if I ever saw one.


Haha, figure it was a win, win. Either I get to be right or Moore loses.

I almost reported this post. Almost.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 13:22:56
December 13 2017 13:16 GMT
#190163
I wonder if any lone R in the senate wants to suddenly defect from this tax bill as the one person that brings it all down now? will be interesting to watch go down. part of me hopes Trump lashes out at someone like a McCain and we get a no vote out of spite. Because i’m sure this won’t be the only L he takes between now and then.

oh apparently they’re aiming to have the bill finished next week. i don’t think they’ll be confirming Jones quite so quickly. sad.

was still nice to wake up to good news this morning.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 13 2017 13:51 GMT
#190164
while they might do that for a stunt, it may no tbe necessary; there's a good chance the bill dies in reconciliation still due to how different the house and senate versions are.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 13:57:46
December 13 2017 13:54 GMT
#190165
Roy meet Bus.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12262 Posts
December 13 2017 13:58 GMT
#190166
Obviously we shouldn't take this tweet seriously since it was written by a child but if we were to do that it would betray either a prior knowledge of the accusations against Moore or a comical lack of knowledge of Alabama. To actually think Moore would lose the general election at the time he beat Strange...
No will to live, no wish to die
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14898 Posts
December 13 2017 14:14 GMT
#190167
On December 13 2017 22:16 brian wrote:
I wonder if any lone R in the senate wants to suddenly defect from this tax bill as the one person that brings it all down now? will be interesting to watch go down. part of me hopes Trump lashes out at someone like a McCain and we get a no vote out of spite. Because i’m sure this won’t be the only L he takes between now and then.

oh apparently they’re aiming to have the bill finished next week. i don’t think they’ll be confirming Jones quite so quickly. sad.

was still nice to wake up to good news this morning.


He won't be seated until late December or early January so this changes nothing if the senate and house can vote by end of year
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
December 13 2017 14:17 GMT
#190168
imagine if trump was in charge of a real life Ministry of Truth
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44599 Posts
December 13 2017 14:34 GMT
#190169
On December 13 2017 22:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Roy meet Bus.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/940904649728708609


The deck was stacked against Roy Moore, even with Trump and other Republicans' support during the general election, in a super red state?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 13 2017 14:37 GMT
#190170
On December 13 2017 13:55 Plansix wrote:
Identity politics works, it turns out.





the rate at which african americans voted for jones, plus their turnout, was absolutely ridiculous.

as heinous, illegal and straight up wrong as voter suppression is, you kinda see why the republicans do it, or try to.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 14:42:23
December 13 2017 14:42 GMT
#190171
So happy to see all sorts of news articles praising black voters. Their time for appreciation is long overdue. Let's keep them around by more strongly catering to their vote.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 14:48 GMT
#190172
In deep-red Texas, Republicans will have to fight for every seat in Congress during next year's midterm elections. For the first time in 25 years, Democrats are running in all of Texas' 36 congressional districts, according to documents filed with the Texas Secretary of State's office.

Those filings set a record for the number of Democratic challengers in an era of Republican dominance, says Mark Jones, political science fellow at Rice University's Baker Institute. They are a departure from 2016, he says, when eight Republican-held congressional seats went uncontested by Democrats.

"We are seeing a groundswell of unusually high support and mobilization among progressive Democrats who are really angered by the Trump administration," Jones said.

Even though Democrats are more motivated than they've been in years, Texas remains a mostly Republican state. The GOP swept all the statewide races in 2016 and Donald Trump won the state by nine percentage points.

While the margin was closer than many years before, it's still a big gap for Texas Democrats to close.

Democrats aren't just gunning for congressional seats. According to preliminary numbers from the Texas Democratic Party, Democrats are running in 89 percent of the seats in the Texas House and 88 percent of the seats in the Texas Senate. Both are the highest percentages the party has mustered since at least 1992.

"We are seeing Democrats come out to run not only for the goal of challenging and doing something to voice their opposition to President Trump," Jones said. "But we are seeing Democrats come out in several districts where, in the past, Democrats had no chance whatsoever and had difficult time recruiting top-quality candidates."

Historically, the opposition party can make big gains in Congress during the first midterm election following a presidential election. For example, Republicans won back the U.S. House in 2010 after the election of President Barack Obama in 2008.

Jones says resistance to President Trump's policies has led to "enthusiasm and mobilization," particularly among more left-leaning Democrats. But he says that doesn't mean that Democrats can expect huge gains in dependably Republican Texas.

"Outside of [congressional district] 23, held by Will Hurd, all of the Republican-held districts today, more likely than not, will stay Republican-held districts," Jones said. "But they are not locks, and certainly we can't consider them to be sure-things."

Jones says it will take a perfect storm for Texas Democrats to make significant gains in Congress. He says Trump's approval ratings will have to continue to decline, Democrats will have to continue to out-fundraise their Republican opponents, and Republican candidates will have to make a lot of mistakes.

Tariq Thowfeek, a spokesperson with the Texas Democratic Party, says he's optimistic Texas Democrats could help the party take control of the U.S. House.

"Democrats need 24 seats to take back the House," he says. "I think four of those seats can come from Texas."

But Brendan Steinhauser, a Republican strategist in Austin, says flipping four Republican-held seats in Texas won't be easy.

"This has the potential to be more competitive statewide," says Steinhauser. "Although, I would think most Republicans would say that we are still probably not going to lose any incumbents this cycle."

Texas' congressional map doesn't favor Democrats. Federal courts have ruled the congressional map drawn by the GOP-led Texas Legislature intentionally discriminates against minority voters, which tends to hurt Democratic candidates. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has put a hold on the effects of those rulings as it weighs a gerrymandering case from Wisconsin.


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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
December 13 2017 14:49 GMT
#190173
On December 13 2017 22:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Obviously we shouldn't take this tweet seriously since it was written by a child but if we were to do that it would betray either a prior knowledge of the accusations against Moore or a comical lack of knowledge of Alabama. To actually think Moore would lose the general election at the time he beat Strange...

Results based analysis on full display.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 13 2017 14:50 GMT
#190174
Is it common for either party to give up contesting seats if they don't think they have a chance? Do Republicans commonly not contest firmly blue seats?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
December 13 2017 14:51 GMT
#190175
On December 13 2017 23:50 kollin wrote:
Is it common for either party to give up contesting seats if they don't think they have a chance? Do Republicans commonly not contest firmly blue seats?

Depends on the district in question, but Democrats tend to give up on difficult races moreso than Republicans.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 13 2017 14:55 GMT
#190176
On December 13 2017 23:51 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 23:50 kollin wrote:
Is it common for either party to give up contesting seats if they don't think they have a chance? Do Republicans commonly not contest firmly blue seats?

Depends on the district in question, but Democrats tend to give up on difficult races moreso than Republicans.

Are resources so limited for Democrats that they feel they need to do this? It seems absolutely insane to me not to just run someone, and I can't help but feel that it's no wonder the general 'message' of the Democrats isn't penetrating particular areas if they literally abandon the democratic process like that.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2017 14:57 GMT
#190177
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 14:58:15
December 13 2017 14:57 GMT
#190178
On December 13 2017 23:55 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 23:51 farvacola wrote:
On December 13 2017 23:50 kollin wrote:
Is it common for either party to give up contesting seats if they don't think they have a chance? Do Republicans commonly not contest firmly blue seats?

Depends on the district in question, but Democrats tend to give up on difficult races moreso than Republicans.

Are resources so limited for Democrats that they feel they need to do this? It seems absolutely insane to me not to just run someone, and I can't help but feel that it's no wonder the general 'message' of the Democrats isn't penetrating particular areas if they literally abandon the democratic process like that.

Chalk it up to how impotent the DNC has become, though the across the board weakening of unions is also at fault here. Hopefully, Jones' win will shake up establishment attitudes towards ostensibly long shot races.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12262 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 15:05:51
December 13 2017 14:57 GMT
#190179
nvm
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 15:10:17
December 13 2017 15:09 GMT
#190180
On December 13 2017 23:55 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 23:51 farvacola wrote:
On December 13 2017 23:50 kollin wrote:
Is it common for either party to give up contesting seats if they don't think they have a chance? Do Republicans commonly not contest firmly blue seats?

Depends on the district in question, but Democrats tend to give up on difficult races moreso than Republicans.

Are resources so limited for Democrats that they feel they need to do this? It seems absolutely insane to me not to just run someone, and I can't help but feel that it's no wonder the general 'message' of the Democrats isn't penetrating particular areas if they literally abandon the democratic process like that.

they'll often run "someone", but they're a nobody and aren't given national support, because they often have no real chance. the quality of the candidates is often quite poor when they do that (in part because quality people have better options/things to do than run a race that will lose, and losing can taint your career a bit, especially if you have a bad showing)
in areas where a typical vote outcome is say 65/35, it kinda makes sense to not put resources into it unless the circumstances are unusual.

it's hard to get people to donate money for somethin that has no chance of winning.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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