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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:44 Mohdoo wrote: Has Hannity backed off his Moore support yet? He's in a pretty tough position at this point. The entire party jumped ship except for the particularly heinous locals. Hannity has no morals or soul, I bet 5 bucks he never backs off supporting Moore | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:34 Simberto wrote: The problem with that defense is that it isn't a defense. "I didn't know it was illegal" doesn't protect you from the law anymore than telling your mother "I didn't know that i wasn't allowed to eat all of the icecream in the fridge" protects you from being grounded. Neither is "I was too stupid to do the illegal thing efficiently" haven't really read much into Sessions lately but isn't this about wether or not he told congress about those ties? In that case being stupid does kind of defend you because the part that's bad is lying. If he didn't lie but just didn't realize it in the first place that should be fine for him, right? Obviously bullshit but we all know that already | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: haven't really read much into Sessions lately but isn't this about wether or not he told congress about those ties? In that case being stupid does kind of defend you because the part that's bad is lying. If he didn't lie but just didn't realize it in the first place that should be fine for him, right? Obviously bullshit but we all know that already They have no ability to prove that he did remember the meeting and just lied to congress. The defense is fine. Perjury is pretty hard to prove without overwhelming evidence. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: haven't really read much into Sessions lately but isn't this about wether or not he told congress about those ties? In that case being stupid does kind of defend you because the part that's bad is lying. If he didn't lie but just didn't realize it in the first place that should be fine for him, right? Obviously bullshit but we all know that already So new genius plan: Before testifying to congress, take shitloads of LSD. Nothing you say can be proven to be a lie, because you didn't know at that point that there are not in fact spiders crawling under your skin. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:53 Simberto wrote: So new genius plan: Before testifying to congress, take shitloads of LSD. Nothing you say can be proven to be a lie, because you didn't know at that point that there are not in fact spiders crawling under your skin. I know it’s a joke, but that would work. People are not allowed to stand trial if they are drunk. That is why they have the “drunk tank.” Gotta be sober to say plea guilty or not guilty. The secondary part is that you took LDS in an effort to avoid testifying, which is a whole problem all on its own. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:43 KwarK wrote: 538 is arguing that Alabama doesn't have any swing voters to speak of so it'll simply come down to turnout. White evangelicals aren't going to vote Democrat, they just might also stay home. I think Moore is a pretty safe win even with all of this stuff. Hes on the same team as the heavy majority in the state. Those people will never vote for the other team. My perception of Republicans is always that they are pretty solid in turning out the vote. I just dont see how this turns into a win for a democrat. Having been to northern Alabama a few times, its an interesting place. Having drove around a bit, it seemed as if there were 6+ gospel/church stations on FM radio. This was during the week. It was pretty surprising being from Michigan. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
I'm just very confused on how a system puts voters in a situation like this. I have little in common with Moore voters, but even I can understand that the prospect of voting for everything you don't believe in or voting for a child molestor is not a fun one. Frankly it feels like a situation no functioning democracy should ever put a voter in. Coming from a country with 7 presidents from 4 parties, I find the US' brand of a 2-party system a little hard to understand. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:19 Orome wrote: So, uh, how does this Moore situation work exactly? What stops a third-party/independent person saying 'I love Jesus, I love guns, I hate illegral immigrants and I also never molested a teenager, vote for me'? Is it just the political reality that anyone without a R or D after their name can't ever win? Is it financial? Too close to the election? Or is there an actual law to stop you from doing that if you're not affiliated with a major party? I'm just very confused on how a system puts voters in a situation like this. I have little in common with Moore voters, but even I can understand that the prospect of voting for everything you don't believe in or voting for a child molestor is not a fun one. Frankly it feels like a situation no functioning democracy should ever put a voter in. Coming from a country with 7 presidents from 4 parties, I find the US' brand of a 2-party system a little hard to understand. Think of it as sports team allegiances and it makes more sense | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 15 2017 01:55 Plansix wrote: I know it’s a joke, but that would work. People are not allowed to stand trial if they are drunk. That is why they have the “drunk tank.” Gotta be sober to say plea guilty or not guilty. The secondary part is that you took LDS in an effort to avoid testifying, which is a whole problem all on its own. yeah, mormonism is whack  | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:19 Sadist wrote: I think Moore is a pretty safe win even with all of this stuff. Hes on the same team as the heavy majority in the state. Those people will never vote for the other team. My perception of Republicans is always that they are pretty solid in turning out the vote. I just dont see how this turns into a win for a democrat. Having been to northern Alabama a few times, its an interesting place. Having drove around a bit, it seemed as if there were 6+ gospel/church stations on FM radio. This was during the week. It was pretty surprising being from Michigan. Depends really on who turns out to vote. Gonna be a hard win for Democrats regardless, but there might be this line of thought. 1. I'm not voting for a Democrat. 2. I'm not voting for a Pedo. 3. Can't vote for either, so I'm staying home. And that'd be enough to swing just via turnout. Hard to say really what the result will be, because polls are all over the place, but still generally favouring Republican. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
1. I'm not voting for a Democrat. 2. I'm voting for a Pedo. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:19 Orome wrote: So, uh, how does this Moore situation work exactly? What stops a third-party/independent person saying 'I love Jesus, I love guns, I hate illegral immigrants and I also never molested a teenager, vote for me'? Is it just the political reality that anyone without a R or D after their name can't ever win? Is it financial? Too close to the election? Or is there an actual law to stop you from doing that if you're not affiliated with a major party? I'm just very confused on how a system puts voters in a situation like this. I have little in common with Moore voters, but even I can understand that the prospect of voting for everything you don't believe in or voting for a child molestor is not a fun one. Frankly it feels like a situation no functioning democracy should ever put a voter in. Coming from a country with 7 presidents from 4 parties, I find the US' brand of a 2-party system a little hard to understand. Too close to the election to persuade voters you support social and fiscal conservatism ... to even convince people you will fight and not cave. His name will be on the ballot. He was the Republican Party nominee. People still distrust the allegations (though at this point really shouldn’t). Ideally this comes out in the primaries and it causes a different candidate to represent the Republican voters on the ballot. You’re basically right on three or four points here. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:44 Danglars wrote: Too close to the election to persuade voters you support social and fiscal conservatism ... to even convince people you will fight and not cave. His name will be on the ballot. He was the Republican Party nominee. People still distrust the allegations (though at this point really shouldn’t). Ideally this comes out in the primaries and it causes a different candidate to represent the Republican voters on the ballot. You’re basically right on three or four points here. He has to understand that even if he wins he will be an outcast in the Senate, he will never have any influence and will be expected to just vote and shut up. How can he want that life? Why the fuck is he still going for this | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:46 IyMoon wrote: He has to understand that even if he wins he will be an outcast in the Senate, he will never have any influence and will be expected to just vote and shut up. How can he want that life? Why the fuck is he still going for this Moore has spent his life climbing the public service ladder. When you are his age the loss of purpose can be fatal. I understand his desire to keep going up rather than face the abyss of going out. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JumboJohnson
537 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:46 IyMoon wrote: He has to understand that even if he wins he will be an outcast in the Senate, he will never have any influence and will be expected to just vote and shut up. How can he want that life? Why the fuck is he still going for this I've heard the Senate may just vote him out. Takes a two-thirds majority to do so. | ||
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