US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9235

On November 15 2017 00:36 Velr wrote:
You just voted in an open perv/mysogonist... Why do you care what clinton did?


Oh, i forgot, he's on the other team...

On November 15 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:

One of the things about state elections is you have to live in the state. And secondly I said the exact opposite in every post. Keep reading!

BONN, Germany — The Trump administration made its debut at a United Nations conference on climate change on Monday by giving a full-throated defense of fossil fuels and nuclear energy as answers to driving down global greenhouse gas emissions.

The forum — the only official appearance by the United States delegation during the annual two-week climate gathering of nearly 200 nations — illustrated how sharply the administration’s views are at odds with those of many key participants in the climate negotiations.

George D. Banks, special adviser to President Trump on international energy issues, led a panel with top American energy executives. “Without question, fossil fuels will continue to be used, and we would argue that it’s in the global interest to make sure when fossil fuels are used that they be as clean and efficient as possible,” Mr. Banks said. “This panel is controversial only if we chose to bury our heads in the sand.”

But even before the Trump team could make its case, the panel was disrupted for more than 10 minutes by scores of chanting and singing demonstrators. The protesters then walked out, leaving the room half empty. Throughout the remainder of the presentation, audience members shouted down and mocked White House officials who attempted to explain away President Trump’s stated view that global warming is a hoax.

It was a rude reception for the Trump administration at the first major United Nations climate conference since President Trump took office and declared that the United States would withdraw from the Paris climate accord signed by more than 195 nations in 2015. Mr. Trump has filled top environmental posts with officials who have expressed doubt about established climate science, including studies published by numerous federal agencies.

President Trump, who ran on a pledge to revive the American coal industry and whose cabinet includes a number of prominent oil and gas enthusiasts, sent his team here with a clear message — that extracting and using significant amounts of oil, gas and coal would be a priority of the administration.

The American presentation came the same day that a new study showed that emissions were rising worldwide after three years on a plateau. Researchers said the emissions growth was driven largely by increased burning of coal in China and India.

“The question is not if we will continue to use coal, but how,” said Holly Krutka, vice president of coal generation and emissions technologies at Peabody Energy.

Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York mayor who has spent tens of millions of dollars on a campaign to shut down coal plants, said, “Promoting coal at a climate summit is like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit.” Mr. Bloomberg, who is attending part of the Bonn conference, this week donated $50 million to environmental groups to help countries shift away from coal, starting in Europe.

While many energy experts agree that technologies like carbon capture for coal plants and nuclear power can play a critical role in reducing emissions, the fact that Trump administration officials have played down concern over global warming has triggered deep suspicion about American intentions.

“Nuclear and carbon capture are critical to reducing CO2 emissions, but going to Bonn to promote the technologies without admitting climate change is a crisis is a logical absurdity,” said Josh Freed, director of the clean energy program at the centrist think tank Third Way.

He said that denying that climate change is a problem while pushing technology to solve it made no sense. “Why would anyone trust or work with you?” he said.

Several American lawmakers who flew to Germany for the climate change talks denounced the coal discussion. Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington, a Democrat, pre-empted the White House event by striding into the packed conference room and calling it a “sideshow” that the rest of the world would ignore.

“It’s a total distraction,” said Andrew Steer, president of the World Resources Institute, an environmental think tank based in Washington.

Still, Mr. Steer acknowledged, countries throughout Asia and Africa are continuing to build coal plants in their quest to provide energy access for millions living without electricity. “This is not wickedness on the part of these countries that want to get cheaper energy,” he said.

Trump administration officials made a similar point. “We need to lift one billion plus people out of energy poverty,” Mr. Banks said. He argued that while renewable energy has a “bright future,” only fossil fuels at the moment can deliver enough energy to allow people to rise out of poverty.

Yet even as the Trump administration pushes for a revival of the coal industry, other countries say they are phasing it out. France has vowed to eliminate coal from its electricity mix by 2022, and Italy by 2025. The United Kingdom and Canada said this week that they, too, would take steps to phase out coal.

“We’re passed the time that we want to be using coal,” said Catherine McKenna, Canada’s environment minister. “People do not want polluting coal. They do not want it.”

Some developing countries described a more balanced view, however, conceding a need for fossil fuels in the short term while ultimately calling for stronger global action on climate change and a shift toward cleaner forms of energy, including renewables like wind and solar energy.

On November 14 2017 23:45 GreenHorizons wrote:


From a personal observation perspective. Absofuckinglutely in my personal opinion you'd have to be an idiot to think he's not more inappropriate when there isn't a room full of sober people with cameras and mics pointed at him.

From the point of what's wrong with what you're doing, no, what we don't see is a tertiary point.

On November 15 2017 01:26 Plansix wrote:
Sessions isn’t going to admit to perjuring himself in front of congress. Better to suffer a blow to his pride and look stupid.

On November 15 2017 01:28 brian wrote:

just another tuesday in the trump administration.

On November 15 2017 01:21 Gorsameth wrote:
What other defense then incompetence do they have?
They can't deny it happened because they were dumb enough to leave a massive paper trail. So all that is left is not remembering until the inevitable proof is found and then claiming incompetence in doing the thing your accused of doing.

The question I guess is, in how far does that actually help you? So long as they can prove intent with the emails and their actions/responses after.

On November 15 2017 01:33 LegalLord wrote:
Moore-Jones polling is all over the place. Goddamn.

Moore will probably win though. Trump did, after all.

On November 15 2017 01:33 LegalLord wrote:
Moore-Jones polling is all over the place. Goddamn.

Moore will probably win though. Trump did, after all.

On November 14 2017 17:14 cLutZ wrote:


Actually, we know service employees are competing with those abroad, telemarketers, customer service, etc are all well known to have been outsourced. Plus, the service-manufacturing dichotomy is illusory, particularly for low skilled workers. You may not think a stocker in Boise competes with a seamstress in Cambodia, but he is. If that factory is in Boise, the factory would also be competing with the grocer to employ that stocker. This would drive the stocker's wage up significantly, but only marginally increase his cost of living.