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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 18:38:07
November 09 2017 18:37 GMT
#183801
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
November 09 2017 18:38 GMT
#183802
I'm still not sure how we get from hookers in DC making bank to the people living in DC shouldn't have the vote.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 18:44:16
November 09 2017 18:40 GMT
#183803
we don’t. i’m too stuck on how he pretends certainty that the people of dc are unjustly enriched when he has shown an obvious, complete, ignorance of the city itself.

i’m mostly surprised because when he usually pretends to have the facts, i had previously assumed he had some knowledge of the topic. guess this is my disillusioning. apologies that it took me a page and a half.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10950 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 18:43:17
November 09 2017 18:42 GMT
#183804
We are now at "xdaunt really doesn't care" about DC not having voting rights. There is no more argument, just ignorance.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
November 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#183805
On November 10 2017 03:42 Velr wrote:
We are now at "xdaunt really doesn't care" about DC not having voting rights. There is no more argument, just ignorance.


But have you considered how stripping DC residents of their voting rights might advance Individual Liberty? They tend to vote Democrat which is another way of saying they are opponents of Western Civilization.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2017 18:48 GMT
#183806
On November 10 2017 03:26 Nevuk wrote:

Either doesn’t justify it, or section doesn’t include it, or the previous speech illustrated it.

Other mentions should be subject to Justice department investigations, but likely not special counsel investigations.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 09 2017 18:49 GMT
#183807
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.

What's unique to DC is where the money is coming from: federal tax dollars. I'm just explaining how everyone in DC benefits from the receipt of these funds. There's nothing disputable about what I'm saying. These are all very basic economic concepts.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 09 2017 18:51 GMT
#183808
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.


i dont understand what you are arguing about. you live in dc as a well paid young professional. dont you go out around dupont, U st, Adams Morgan, H st corridor? all the stuff dauntless is saying about the dc metro area is true. proximity to money matters, federal contractors are everywhere spending their federal money, lobbyists spend their money, and the richest counties in the country are a commute away.

yeah xdaunt is conflating dc proper w dc metro area, and yeah twenty years ago dc proper was like 90% black and poor. but consider how that demographic has shifted in just the last 15 years or so and you can see the proximity effect. theres a reason they call dc "recession proof"
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 18:56:52
November 09 2017 18:55 GMT
#183809
On November 10 2017 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.

What's unique to DC is where the money is coming from: federal tax dollars. I'm just explaining how everyone in DC benefits from the receipt of these funds. There's nothing disputable about what I'm saying. These are all very basic economic concepts.

Like literally no dude. That isn’t how DC works. Its not raining tax dollars down onto people’s heads. It would be a terrible place for all this tax based enrichment to happen, the entire city is crawling with reporters and a good chunk of the FBI. Government workers are not well paid. Any of the lobbyist money doesn’t stay in DC and they aren’t just throwing franklins into every valet driver’s hand just because its DC and the land of free money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 18:58:24
November 09 2017 18:56 GMT
#183810
On November 10 2017 03:51 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.


i dont understand what you are arguing about. you live in dc as a well paid young professional. dont you go out around dupont, U st, Adams Morgan, H st corridor? all the stuff dauntless is saying about the dc metro area is true. proximity to money matters, federal contractors are everywhere spending their federal money, lobbyists spend their money, and the richest counties in the country are a commute away.

yeah xdaunt is conflating dc proper w dc metro area, and yeah twenty years ago dc proper was like 90% black and poor. but consider how that demographic has shifted in just the last 15 years or so and you can see the proximity effect. theres a reason they call dc "recession proof"


i appreciate your more realistic approach.indeed, certain sectors are recession proof. id imagine we disagree on the rest of it, and i think you’re confusing dc proper with anything else, since all those things are in dc proper.

i’m not interested in having the argument again- and especially because it began with talking about 700,000 people bathing in federal money (which is absurd on its face,) a thought so ignorant as to not warrant any further discussion. (not trying to insinuate you own this argument, btw. just that i’m done with it)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
November 09 2017 18:57 GMT
#183811
On November 10 2017 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.

What's unique to DC is where the money is coming from: federal tax dollars. I'm just explaining how everyone in DC benefits from the receipt of these funds. There's nothing disputable about what I'm saying. These are all very basic economic concepts.

https://www.abqjournal.com/561955/nm-no-1-in-dependency-on-federal-funds.html
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 19:05:08
November 09 2017 19:01 GMT
#183812
On November 10 2017 03:56 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:51 IgnE wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.


i dont understand what you are arguing about. you live in dc as a well paid young professional. dont you go out around dupont, U st, Adams Morgan, H st corridor? all the stuff dauntless is saying about the dc metro area is true. proximity to money matters, federal contractors are everywhere spending their federal money, lobbyists spend their money, and the richest counties in the country are a commute away.

yeah xdaunt is conflating dc proper w dc metro area, and yeah twenty years ago dc proper was like 90% black and poor. but consider how that demographic has shifted in just the last 15 years or so and you can see the proximity effect. theres a reason they call dc "recession proof"


i appreciate your more realistic approach.indeed, certain sectors are recession proof. id imagine we disagree on the rest of it, and i think you’re confusing dc proper with anything else, since all those things are in dc proper.

i’m not interested in having the argument again- and especially because it began with talking about 700,000 people bathing in federal money (which is absurd on its face,) a thought so ignorant as to not warrant any further discussion. (not trying to insinuate you own this argument, btw. just that i need to be done with it)


the young educated professionals arent going out and spending money in silver spring dude. the young people spend their disposable single income stream while renting in dc or come in from va and md by uber or metro while their middle aged bosses buy homes out in the burbs. we know this. if anything this should spark some discussion about dc gentrification with money ultimately derived from the federal-private cash nexus
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 09 2017 19:03 GMT
#183813
On November 10 2017 03:57 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:37 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:27 brian wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

the government hands out contracts country wide. is the rest of the country also unduly benefiting from congress controlling the budget?(rhetorical)

can you provide one specific example of a dc resident outside congress/lobbyists benefiting from congress? because, as mentioned, they make up less than 1% of the population.

This is a question of basic economics. If you inject a massive amount of money into a local economy (which clearly happens in DC), that money is going to spread throughout the localized economy (not necessarily equally or equitably). Everyone in DC is going to benefit from that liquidity injection to one degree or another, whether it be through the increased level of services that the government can provide as a function of higher tax revenue or through the rich lobbyist just going to the local bar and dropping a $1,000 to buy drinks for himself and some hookers.


none of that is unique to DC. you keep pretending that the trillions being passed around (to the entire country) somehow influence the economics of DC. your best example is a rich person dropping money in a bar? and this is unique to DC?

and further, again, representative of the sixty eight square miles outside of the capitol building itself?

mind boggling.

What's unique to DC is where the money is coming from: federal tax dollars. I'm just explaining how everyone in DC benefits from the receipt of these funds. There's nothing disputable about what I'm saying. These are all very basic economic concepts.

https://www.abqjournal.com/561955/nm-no-1-in-dependency-on-federal-funds.html


empire's periphery always suffers first kwark, come on
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
November 09 2017 19:03 GMT
#183814
This talk about Virginia without mentioning data is just cancer. Why isn't anyone citing any data? The following is a great article that breaks down federal dependency of states according to their (1) resident's dependency (Return on Taxes Paid to the Federal Government) and (2) government's dependency (Federal Funding as a Share of State Revenue). Lower numbers are less dependent.

Virginia:
Overall rank of 38 of 50 on the combined dependency metric
12th on resident dependency (thanks western Virginia opiate belt)
49th on Virginia state government dependency (fed dollars pay for almost none of VA gov)

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 09 2017 19:06 GMT
#183815
On November 10 2017 04:03 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This talk about Virginia without mentioning data is just cancer. Why isn't anyone citing any data? The following is a great article that breaks down federal dependency of states according to their (1) resident's dependency (Return on Taxes Paid to the Federal Government) and (2) government's dependency (Federal Funding as a Share of State Revenue). Lower numbers are less dependent.

Virginia:
Overall rank of 38 of 50 on the combined dependency metric
12th on resident dependency (thanks western Virginia opiate belt)
49th on Virginia state government dependency (fed dollars pay for almost none of VA gov)

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/


please dude this discussion is about the turning of federal dollars into private dollars. you arent even talking about the same thing. its an entirely different mechanism
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 09 2017 19:07 GMT
#183816
On November 10 2017 04:03 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This talk about Virginia without mentioning data is just cancer. Why isn't anyone citing any data? The following is a great article that breaks down federal dependency of states according to their (1) resident's dependency (Return on Taxes Paid to the Federal Government) and (2) government's dependency (Federal Funding as a Share of State Revenue). Lower numbers are less dependent.

Virginia:
Overall rank of 38 of 50 on the combined dependency metric
12th on resident dependency (thanks western Virginia opiate belt)
49th on Virginia state government dependency (fed dollars pay for almost none of VA gov)

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Aren't we talking about DC? It isn't part of VA
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 19:11:38
November 09 2017 19:08 GMT
#183817
This article seems like it was written after the author read this thread lol.

The White House admits that the GOP’s tax cuts are, in fact, aimed at the wealthy. The tax reform bills moving through Congress right now are gigantic corporate tax cuts that, according to experts, would raise taxes for tens of millions of individual Americans over the next ten years. But while these bills are designed to give breaks to rich people and corporations, Republicans have followed the standard GOP playbook of insisting that what they’re really doing is helping the middle class. In the House version, over half the cuts would go to the richest fifth of all taxpayers, so Republicans are essentially arguing that these benefits will trickle down in the form of more jobs and higher wages. But the trick is to not say this, and instead pretend that the bill directly provides benefits to middle class taxpayers.

“The focus is on middle class tax relief,” Paul Ryan said a week ago. “The focus is on directing that tax relief to the people in the middle and the people who are trying to get there. And that is why we put our emphasis on that tax relief for those people who are in the middle.” President Trump, who clearly doesn’t have a great handle on the legislation, has echoed this line in his inimitable way, reportedly wanting to call the bill the Cut Cut Cut Act.

But White House adviser Gary Cohn struggled with this simple piece of obfuscation in a conversation with CNBC’s John Harwood:

Harwood: You’re not saying, as you did a few weeks ago, that the wealthy do not get a tax cut under your plan?
Cohn: No. I’m saying there’s unique situations to everyone out there. Everyone has their own story. It’s not our intention to give the wealthy a tax cut.
Harwood: But they’re getting one.
Cohn: I don’t believe that we’ve set out to create a tax cut for the wealthy. If someone’s getting a tax cut, I’m not upset that they’re getting a tax cut. I’m really not upset....
Harwood: Your old colleague, Steve Bannon, says, “Ask him why they didn’t design a tax plan focused on average Trump voters.” And when I talked to Larry Summers, who’s your predecessor at the NEC, also Treasury secretary, he said, ‘Look, they’re doing what their money wants.’
Cohn: They’re entitled to their opinions.
Harwood: Why are they wrong?
Cohn: We have achieved our objectives. We are delivering a middle income tax cut.... We are lowering corporate taxes to make ourselves competitive with the world....
We create wage inflation, which means the workers get paid more; the workers have more disposable income, the workers spend more. And we see the whole trickle-down through the economy, and that’s good for the economy.

Here Cohn exemplifies the convoluted intellectual justification for this bill, which is that lowering the corporate tax rate will trickle down to middle-income earners, even though there’s no real evidence that this will happen. Cohn’s belief, expressed elsewhere in the interview, that cutting taxes will mean that corporations will return to the United States is similarly overly optimistic, if not downright cynical. But what’s really notable here is that Cohn gives the game away: This is a trickle-down bill, in which the majority of the benefits go to the wealthy.


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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
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Last Edited: 2017-11-09 19:17:27
November 09 2017 19:14 GMT
#183818
On November 10 2017 04:07 Nevuk wrote:
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On November 10 2017 04:03 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This talk about Virginia without mentioning data is just cancer. Why isn't anyone citing any data? The following is a great article that breaks down federal dependency of states according to their (1) resident's dependency (Return on Taxes Paid to the Federal Government) and (2) government's dependency (Federal Funding as a Share of State Revenue). Lower numbers are less dependent.

Virginia:
Overall rank of 38 of 50 on the combined dependency metric
12th on resident dependency (thanks western Virginia opiate belt)
49th on Virginia state government dependency (fed dollars pay for almost none of VA gov)

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Aren't we talking about DC? It isn't part of VA


Isn't that the point though? DC spillover into VA? EDIT: all the college educated workers who live in NOVA and commute into DC are the ones who turned VA blue.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
November 09 2017 19:15 GMT
#183819
On November 10 2017 03:23 xDaunt wrote:
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On November 10 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So the federal goverment giving out contracts to private entities is somehow worse than private to private exchanges.

Might I ask why and why it is a good reason to strip 700'000 people from voting?

I didn't say it was. I said that it is hard to feel sorry for the residents of DC when they so obviously benefit from the economic realities of having trillions of tax dollars pass through Capitol Hill every year. I really don't care whether the citizens of DC get federal representation.

You can't really debate this - turn back now.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-09 19:22:28
November 09 2017 19:21 GMT
#183820
Also, Roy Moore is being accused by 4 women of him going after them as teens. Not looking good for him. (Brietbart's defense practically seems like it was written by Milo, so not very good)

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