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urmomdresslikafloozy
Profile Joined October 2017
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 17:36:43
October 30 2017 17:36 GMT
#181801
Today's White House Press Briefing
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 30 2017 17:36 GMT
#181802
On October 31 2017 02:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:13 Danglars wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in.

Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures.

The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them.


Isn't it Tony's brother only? It would be odd if you're trying to bring in Tony because of the name Podesta.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 30 2017 17:42 GMT
#181803
On October 31 2017 02:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:13 Danglars wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in.

Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures.

The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them.

That's my guess too. Mueller does have a big team and a big budget so I'm prepared to be wrong on this. It just looks like the leaks are towards Podesta.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 17:46:48
October 30 2017 17:43 GMT
#181804
The next big move in the Trump-Russia collusion case is the Podesta emails. Looks like Papa knew about the Podesta emails in March, well before they got leaked to counter the Access Hollywood tape. And Papa has gone State's Evidence. Anyone Papa emailed between March to August could be implicated in cooperating with the Russian hack.



EDIT: to the spinners trying to make this about Podesta's brother ... just lol. The Papa indictment should have made it clear that Mueller is actually keeping his investigation on the Trump-Russia collusion story and not going after any and all of everyone who may have done some illegal deals in Ukraine. Unless Brother Podesta was involved in the Russian interference campaign of 2016, Mueller is not going to bother with him. Keep dreaming. EDIT2: Sure, some other prosecutor might make something happen. But it won't be Mueller.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2017 17:45 GMT
#181805
On October 31 2017 02:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:16 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:13 Danglars wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in.

Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures.

The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them.


Isn't it Tony's brother only? It would be odd if you're trying to bring in Tony because of the name Podesta.


Could be either Tony or John or both. It remains to be seen. But in related news, this just happened:

Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group, is stepping down from the firm that bears his name after coming under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure.

Podesta is handing over full operational and financial control to longtime firm CEO Kimberley Fritts, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting. Fritts and a senior group of the Podesta team will be launching a new firm in the next one or two days. Sources said the transition has been in the works for the past several months.

....
The investigation into Podesta and his firm grew out of investigators’ examination of Manafort’s finances. Manafort organized a PR campaign on behalf of a nonprofit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. Podesta Group was one of several firms that were paid to do work on the PR campaign to promote Ukraine in the U.S.


Source.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 30 2017 17:46 GMT
#181806
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
October 30 2017 17:50 GMT
#181807
On October 31 2017 02:46 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/Alex_Panetta/status/925040998153060353

Good old Uranium One, like drawing blood from a stone.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 30 2017 17:51 GMT
#181808
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 17:58:41
October 30 2017 17:57 GMT
#181809
I am really disheartened seeing Fox and other conservative outlets defending Manafort. This is starting to get really creepy. He is about as guilty as guilty gets and is clearly totally fucked. But they are blasting all this stuff about violating his rights and Mueller having no credibility. Riling up Americans to lack faith in the justice system is a really, really bad thing to be doing. Especially when the people in question are horrendously guilty. This is getting really creepy. I feel like you normally see people defended up to the point of arrest. It sounds like he's not technically arrested yet, but we are well past the point of wondering if he did anything illegal. Once your dude is 100% certain to have done a bunch of illegal shit with Russia, it is time to adjust, not commit even harder.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 30 2017 17:58 GMT
#181810
So my understanding of the issue with Tony Podesta is that he did business with ECMU, a group set up by Manafort which was pro-Ukraine. ECMU told Podesta that they were not a special-interests group, he took them at their (or rather Manafort's) word and reported as such on his disclosures.

And I think it's worth take a look at the relative magnitude of these things. The Podesta Group, as a whole, brings in ~$60-80m a year. So whatever this ECMU thing was, they were paid not that much. Compare that to the $75m+ that Manafort has laundered.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 30 2017 17:58 GMT
#181811
On October 31 2017 02:57 Mohdoo wrote:
I am really disheartened seeing Fox and other conservative outlets defending Manafort. This is starting to get really creepy. He is about as guilty as guilty gets and is clearly totally fucked. But they are blasting all this stuff about violating his rights and Mueller having no credibility. Riling up Americans to lack faith in the justice system is a really, really bad thing to be doing. Especially when the people in question are horrendously guilty. This is getting really creepy.

some of them have been attacking the judiciary/rule of law for decades now. so for some of them it's not really a change at all.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 30 2017 18:03 GMT
#181812
On October 31 2017 02:58 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:57 Mohdoo wrote:
I am really disheartened seeing Fox and other conservative outlets defending Manafort. This is starting to get really creepy. He is about as guilty as guilty gets and is clearly totally fucked. But they are blasting all this stuff about violating his rights and Mueller having no credibility. Riling up Americans to lack faith in the justice system is a really, really bad thing to be doing. Especially when the people in question are horrendously guilty. This is getting really creepy.

some of them have been attacking the judiciary/rule of law for decades now. so for some of them it's not really a change at all.


Well the weird thing is that it almost puts Sessions in a really precarious situation. Manafort is 100% going to end up in prison, but Trump is president. So where do they go? Clinton/Obama deep state shadow government. This is such a bizarre situation.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 30 2017 18:03 GMT
#181813
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2017 18:12 GMT
#181814
On October 31 2017 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
So my understanding of the issue with Tony Podesta is that he did business with ECMU, a group set up by Manafort which was pro-Ukraine. ECMU told Podesta that they were not a special-interests group, he took them at their (or rather Manafort's) word and reported as such on his disclosures.

And I think it's worth take a look at the relative magnitude of these things. The Podesta Group, as a whole, brings in ~$60-80m a year. So whatever this ECMU thing was, they were paid not that much. Compare that to the $75m+ that Manafort has laundered.

Well, and in fairness, the $75m that Manafort laundered was over the course of a decade or so. But that said, it's not really clear what the Podesta group is in trouble for beyond flubbing the reporting the requirements. But the fact that Manafort's financial records led Mueller to Podesta is clearly troublesome. And Tony pulling a Weinstein and resigning from his own firm looks ominous as well.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#181815
On October 31 2017 03:12 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
So my understanding of the issue with Tony Podesta is that he did business with ECMU, a group set up by Manafort which was pro-Ukraine. ECMU told Podesta that they were not a special-interests group, he took them at their (or rather Manafort's) word and reported as such on his disclosures.

And I think it's worth take a look at the relative magnitude of these things. The Podesta Group, as a whole, brings in ~$60-80m a year. So whatever this ECMU thing was, they were paid not that much. Compare that to the $75m+ that Manafort has laundered.

Well, and in fairness, the $75m that Manafort laundered was over the course of a decade or so. But that said, it's not really clear what the Podesta group is in trouble for beyond flubbing the reporting the requirements. But the fact that Manafort's financial records led Mueller to Podesta is clearly troublesome. And Tony pulling a Weinstein and resigning from his own firm looks ominous as well.


I imagine Tony Podesta didn't look too hard at where the money was coming from. It's possible he had a sense that Manafort wasn't on the up-and-up in general and specifically when he represented that ECMU wasn't state-sponsored, but he didn't pry. But I doubt there's much more than that going on here.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#181816
On October 31 2017 02:45 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:16 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:13 Danglars wrote:
On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in.

Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures.

The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them.


Isn't it Tony's brother only? It would be odd if you're trying to bring in Tony because of the name Podesta.


Could be either Tony or John or both. It remains to be seen. But in related news, this just happened:

Show nested quote +
Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group, is stepping down from the firm that bears his name after coming under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure.

Podesta is handing over full operational and financial control to longtime firm CEO Kimberley Fritts, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the meeting. Fritts and a senior group of the Podesta team will be launching a new firm in the next one or two days. Sources said the transition has been in the works for the past several months.

....
The investigation into Podesta and his firm grew out of investigators’ examination of Manafort’s finances. Manafort organized a PR campaign on behalf of a nonprofit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. Podesta Group was one of several firms that were paid to do work on the PR campaign to promote Ukraine in the U.S.


Source.


Oh I meant Tony only. Tony specifically was reported to have violated FARA, but John's name has not come up. The name "Podesta" is just an attempt to bring in Hillary here.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 30 2017 18:27 GMT
#181817
So...where's manafort? Is he hiding? Arrested?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 30 2017 18:30 GMT
#181818
On October 31 2017 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:
So...where's manafort? Is he hiding? Arrested?

I believe he surrendered himself to the FBI this morning.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2017 18:33 GMT
#181819
On October 31 2017 03:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:
So...where's manafort? Is he hiding? Arrested?

I believe he surrendered himself to the FBI this morning.

Yes, and he appeared in court, entered a not guilty plea, and apparently will be posting $10 million for bail.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 18:45:30
October 30 2017 18:44 GMT
#181820
Okay, the Daily Caller connected the dots on the Podesta Group and Manafort. Looks like the Podesta Group is fucked, which is why Tony resigned:

The Podesta Group, a Democratic lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton campaign manager John Podesta, appears to play a central role in the indictments of former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort.

From 2006 to 2014, Manafort and Richard Gates “engaged in a multi-million dollar lobbying campaign in the United States at the direction of [former Ukrainian President Victor] Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the government of Ukraine,” according to the indictment. The Party of Regions is a pro-Russia Ukrainian political party whose leader, Yanukovych, served as president from 2010 to 2014.

Manafort and Gates chose two companies, identified as Company A and Company B in the indictment, to lobby on behalf of the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine, a European nonprofit that officials say was created as a mouthpiece for the Party of Regions. Previous news reports have indicated that the two companies are the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC.

The head of the Podesta Group, Tony Podesta, resigned from the group on Monday amid increasing attention from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian influence operations. Tony’s brother, John Podesta, served as Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair during the 2016 election.

The two companies were aware that they were lobbying on behalf of the Ukrainian government and worked with Manafort to conceal their foreign lobbying activities from the public, according to the indictment.

“Manafort repeatedly communicated in person and in writing with Yanukovych, and Gates passed on directions to Company A and Company B,” the indictment states.

“At the direction of Manafort and Gates, Company A and Company B engaged in extensive lobbying,” the indictment adds. “Among other things, they lobbied multiple Members of Congress and their staffs about Ukraine sanctions, the validity of Ukrainian elections, and the propriety of Yanukovych’s imprisoning his presidential rival, Yulia Tymoshenko (who had served as Ukraine President prior to Yanukovych).”

The two companies received payments “solely through off-shore accounts associated with the Manafort-Gates entities,” according to the indictment.


The Podesta Group retroactively filed lobbying disclosures in April admitting their previously hidden Ukrainian lobbying activities.


Source.
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