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TheTenthDoc
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Wulfey_LA
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Adreme
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Danglars
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On October 31 2017 01:33 TheTenthDoc wrote: I expect the standard GOP/Trump mouthpieces to just treat this as "look, no specific direct evidence against Trump therefore this is good news for Trump because this is all Mueller has." Kind of like they've done every time something like this happened (e.g. Comey testimony). You mean just like the DNC/Hillary mouthpieces on dossier and FBI Russian corruption probe? Yes, I expect both. | ||
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xDaunt
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On October 31 2017 01:34 Adreme wrote: I need a person who knows law well to confirm something, all of these "high-ranking" officials who got this guy to commit perjury on there behalf, they are guilty of obstruction of justice right? I mean I assume knowingly getting someone a lie under oath is a crime right? Or is there a conspiracy to commit perjury charge? What exactly is the charge these people are looking at? If someone paid Papadopolous or otherwise cut a deal with him to lie to the FBI, there would be criminal conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges brought. | ||
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xDaunt
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On October 31 2017 01:44 Mohdoo wrote: Manafort's stuff looks benign (campaign-wise) only when ignoring this natsec youngin who pleaded guilty. It's also weird that people are treating this as some kinda showing of hand by Mueller. Yeah, I bet this is him taking every file he has and coming up with this. This is totally the end of everything. lol. Apparently the reason why Mueller filed the charges that he did today was to avoid statute of limitations problems (ie the deadline by which to prosecute). Likewise, Mueller had to be careful to allege anything in that indictment that would create a nexus of facts that would force him to plead the campaign-related stuff before he is ready. It's pretty clear from the Papadopolous confession that there's more stuff against Manafort coming. | ||
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Adreme
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On October 31 2017 01:42 Danglars wrote: You mean just like the DNC/Hillary mouthpieces on dossier and FBI Russian corruption probe? Yes, I expect both. Here's the thing that confuses me about the allegation. If high ranking people in Hilarys campaign were financing this dossier and,knew what was in it, why wouldn't they make sure it leaks BEFORE the election. Even without thst, explain how it's more they paid for oppo research a lot which turned out to be true none of which they went public with. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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Trump insults everyone, pisses everyone off and generally acts like an idiot at every opportunity, burning bridges wherever he goes. Then he wonders why all the negative attention is focused on him. He really does have the intelligence of a two year old. | ||
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Adreme
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On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in. The next batch seems like it's all the unnamed high ranking officials in the plea, but these HAD to happen today because of the statute of limitations so it's likely the next set wont be until they are ready. Although, once again this is a case of it not being the crime but the coverup that gets you in trouble. | ||
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Danglars
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On October 31 2017 02:01 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else get the feeling this is the end of spicy shit for a while? Mueller has clearly justified his investigation after uncovering straight up illegal doings by everyone arrested today. People can't be like "this is so pointless" when 3 people are clearly fucked right now. Those 3 people would have gone free otherwise. That being said, I wonder how long until the next ones flow in. Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Nevuk
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xDaunt
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On October 31 2017 02:13 Danglars wrote: Give it another three months. He's got financial investigations into several other political figures. The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On October 31 2017 01:58 Adreme wrote: Here's the thing that confuses me about the allegation. If high ranking people in Hilarys campaign were financing this dossier and,knew what was in it, why wouldn't they make sure it leaks BEFORE the election. Even without thst, explain how it's more they paid for oppo research a lot which turned out to be true none of which they went public with. To be fair, I think this dossier WAS leaked before the election. Tons of people in Washington had seen it. It's just that nobody in the press besides...Mother Jones? I think? gave parts of it any credibility because they couldn't substantiate it. It was even given to the FBI by McCain, I believe. Remember, the only reason it hit the press was because it was included in one of the briefing packets that was given to either Obama, Trump, or both (I can't remember which); CNN reported it was included (which turned out to be true), then Buzzfeed published the dossier. | ||
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Adreme
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On October 31 2017 02:16 xDaunt wrote: The Podestas would be a good bet. We already know that they screwed up their reporting requirements like Manafort did and that Mueller is investigating them. I could see it, but can they prove intent? The reason I ask is when Manafort's charges were being explained it was said that they generally do not prosecute for it, they sinply let you amend the form, but in this case the length of time it was going on and the apparent intent to mislead is why they are pressing charges. I'm not saying Podesta isn't equally guilty just that I winder if they can prove it to the same degree. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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On October 31 2017 02:15 ticklishmusic wrote: papadou looks like it could lead to something a lot more directly than manafort. The 'Supervisor' for papa could be Jeff Sessions. On paper Sessions headed up the foreign policy team. Papa may have functionally answered to someone else of course because Trump org charts are always merely suggestive. If there happens to be one more stupid email tho ... https://twitter.com/michaeldobsonNZ/status/925026950736949248 | ||
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xDaunt
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On October 31 2017 02:27 Adreme wrote: I could see it, but can they prove intent? The reason I ask is when Manafort's charges were being explained it was said that they generally do not prosecute for it, they sinply let you amend the form, but in this case the length of time it was going on and the apparent intent to mislead is why they are pressing charges. I'm not saying Podesta isn't equally guilty just that I winder if they can prove it to the same degree. I think that the SOL issue for Manafort has to do with the fact that Mueller is trying to rope stuff in dating back to 2006. I don't know what the relevant SOL's would be here, but 10+ years is a long time. I don't know enough about what the Podestas did to say whether similar considerations apply. | ||
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