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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 14:57:59
October 30 2017 14:57 GMT
#181741
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 30 2017 14:59 GMT
#181742
I get the feeling they'll get kushner in the same way. Dude has had some serious debt and likely wondered how he could get in on the stuff manafort was doing.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
October 30 2017 15:00 GMT
#181743
On October 30 2017 23:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?

No, he does not.

The Presidency has a lot of powers, but that is not one of them.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 30 2017 15:00 GMT
#181744
On October 30 2017 23:53 Doodsmack wrote:
I'm sure Trump knew nothing about Manafort's criminal past, which included lobbying on behalf on Russian government (not just Ukraine government) interests. It is a total and complete coincidence that Manafort lived in Trump Tower prior to the campaign. It is also a total and complete coincidence that Manafort attend the Trump Jr meeting in which Trump Jr was promised damaging information from Hillary, coming from the Russian government as part of the Russian government's efforts to help Trump win. And it is a total and complete coincidence that shortly after said meeting, Trump tweeted about Hillary's missing emails, and not long later, publicly called for Russia to steal Hillary's missing emails. The Trump campaign's stated a willingness to collude, and there were full scale efforts by Russia to help Trump win - but this is all a witch hunt, and we should focus on Hillary instead!



Also:

- Roger Stone contacted or attempted to contact Wikileaks to facilitate email hacking.

- Manafort contacted a Russian billionaire to offer briefings on the Trump campaign.

- Flynn engaged a Republican consultant to search the dark web for hackers who could find Hillary's missing emails.

- The Trump administration wanted to lift Russian sanctions soon after taking office.

- Flynn contacted Russia at the time Obama was increasing sanctions to say that the Trump administration would lift them.

- Kushner met with the head of a Russian state bank to discuss setting up a back channel.

- There were at least two other attempts at back channels (Erik Prince).



It is simply disingenuous to say this investigation and the attention on it is any sort of political charade. Take off your partisan blinders people.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
October 30 2017 15:02 GMT
#181745
On October 31 2017 00:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 23:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?

No, he does not.

The Presidency has a lot of powers, but that is not one of them.

He can direct the FBI to investigate something, surely.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 30 2017 15:03 GMT
#181746
On October 30 2017 23:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?


Because unlike when he lued avout having proof of Obama's birth certificate being fake or proof that his college records were fake if he appoints a prosecutor they have to come out with findings and make them public and the problem with that is Trump knows it's a nothing story. Trump os not smart, but he knows how to use people, and a made-up scandal involving Russia uranium and Clinton is the perfect lie to get out of trouble, but if he persues it and its shown quickly there is nothing there he loses that lie.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:04:05
October 30 2017 15:03 GMT
#181747
It's too bad that Erik Prince likely won't face any heat because of all the people involved thus far, he's likely one of the most dangerous and conniving.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:12:41
October 30 2017 15:04 GMT
#181748
On October 30 2017 23:59 Mohdoo wrote:
I get the feeling they'll get kushner in the same way. Dude has had some serious debt and likely wondered how he could get in on the stuff manafort was doing.


Kushner is likely the "high ranking official" described in all of these indictments. There's specific mention of emails and Kushner is just the man to run a private email server in the same way Clinton decided to run a private email server.

Kushner might have just fucked everyone because he's the guy who convinced Trump to fire Comey, leading to Mueller being appointed, and he's also the guy who helped the feds nail George if he's the high ranking official frequently refereed to in his indictment. Which leads up to George being the sort of idiot to document close to everything from trying to set up meetings between Russia and the Trump campaign to talking to "Putin's niece".
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 30 2017 15:13 GMT
#181749
Look, Trump just got the best people. Sometimes "the best people" just happen to be morons with shady ties to the Russian government who are too dumb to carry out plots adequately, okay?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
October 30 2017 15:14 GMT
#181750
On October 31 2017 00:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 23:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?

No, he does not.

The Presidency has a lot of powers, but that is not one of them.

The Attorney General can? So Trump can get Sessions to do it? Almost the same thing.
Why doesn't Trump get Sessions to appoint someone?
(obviously because its fake but still, its just another point that Republicans seem to gloss over).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 30 2017 15:18 GMT
#181751
The Papadopoulos confession is a different animal than the Manafort indictment. It very clearly spells out problems for the campaign. The one thing that stands out about it is that the "senior Trump campaign adviser" is not named. The logical conclusion is that it's Manafort, which suggests that Mueller has more up his sleeve as it pertains to Manafort.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:26:02
October 30 2017 15:22 GMT
#181752
On October 31 2017 00:18 xDaunt wrote:
The Papadopoulos confession is a different animal than the Manafort indictment. It very clearly spells out problems for the campaign. The one thing that stands out about it is that the "senior Trump campaign adviser" is not named. The logical conclusion is that it's Manafort, which suggests that Mueller has more up his sleeve as it pertains to Manafort.


One other nugget from Papadopoulos that may not be immediately clear is that it clearly illustrates they're willing to use Trump's statements to the press and to the public as confirmatory evidence-there's a mention of "The Campaign" speaking to the WSJ that's actually one of Trump's interviews. That's a bad sign if Comey does come up, when Trump's statements to the press were REAL dumb. And when you're dealing with an investigation and not the public "I never said that" doesn't hold up.
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:34:45
October 30 2017 15:29 GMT
#181753


Only a coincidence I'm sure.

Also:

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Seriously, did these people not watch The Wire?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 30 2017 15:35 GMT
#181754
On October 31 2017 00:29 doomdonker wrote:
https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/925008563600347138

Only a coincidence I'm sure.

Also:

[image loading]

[image loading]

Seriously, did these people not watch The Wire?


That's damning.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
October 30 2017 15:35 GMT
#181755
I wonder what spiel Trump and his administration is planning to push out to bury these news.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 30 2017 15:38 GMT
#181756
On October 31 2017 00:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 23:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as President Trump has the power to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary over the Steele dossier right?
So why dear Republicans (xDaunt mostly) is he raging on twitter rather then appointing someone to do this 'much needed' investigation?

No, he does not.

The Presidency has a lot of powers, but that is not one of them.

He instructs his attorney general to do so. He has the option to fire his attorney general if he does not comply with the order. Obviously, this is another time Trump blows hot air on a subject and will likely take no effective action.

Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:48:14
October 30 2017 15:44 GMT
#181757
On October 31 2017 00:35 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 00:29 doomdonker wrote:
https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/925008563600347138

Only a coincidence I'm sure.

Also:

[image loading]

[image loading]

Seriously, did these people not watch The Wire?


That's damning.


This also goes full circle back to Jeff Sessions because Sessions was George's boss. Sessions headed policy and George was a policy adviser. As everyone can surely remember, Sessions had some pretty shady meetings with Russians that he failed to disclose so I think the conclusion is starting to look a little bit clearer.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 30 2017 15:46 GMT
#181758
Trump is meeting with Sessions and others today privately. I expect he's going to demand they do something about the investigation one way or another, and I wouldn't be wholly surprised if Sessions opted to resign instead because he has no desire to be dragged into this mess and because his relationship with Trump is kinda at the "we're still together just for the kids" stage.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
October 30 2017 15:47 GMT
#181759
On October 31 2017 00:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I wonder what spiel Trump and his administration is planning to push out to bury these news.

This news can't be buried. It's too big and too damning.
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 15:49:13
October 30 2017 15:48 GMT
#181760
On October 31 2017 00:47 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 00:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I wonder what spiel Trump and his administration is planning to push out to bury these news.

This news can't be buried. It's too big and too damning.


Everyone loves a crime drama like this unfolding. People love the spectacle.
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