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doomdonker
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2017 22:49 GreenHorizons wrote: He'd have talked already if he was going to. It would appear Manafort was betting they didn't have anything on the campaign through him and it looks like he was right. I see this heading toward a plea with little to no jail time. I doubt that there's a plea deal with little jail time. Mueller is in a bit of a rough spot here. The problem with the Manafort indictment is that it does nothing to justify his appointment as special counsel. These are things that were already being investigated and could have been handled by a regular federal DA. I think Mueller is going to be under political pressure to throw the book at Manafort and light him up at court. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On October 30 2017 22:49 GreenHorizons wrote: He'd have talked already if he was going to. It would appear Manafort was betting they didn't have anything on the campaign through him and it looks like he was right. I see this heading toward a plea with little to no jail time. I don't know if that is true. Standard practice for prosecutors is to not offer a plea deal until they have properly cowed the defendant by bringing as many charges as possible. Assuming these charges aren't related to the campaign, it is still possible that Mueller is hoping they can get Manafort to flip on other people from the campaign to avoid some or all of the charges. Does anyone know how much time he would be facing if convicted? | ||
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doomdonker
90 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:05 xDaunt wrote: I doubt that there's a plea deal with little jail time. Mueller is in a bit of a rough spot here. The problem with the Manafort indictment is that it does nothing to justify his appointment as special counsel. These are things that were already being investigated and could have been handled by a regular federal DA. I think Mueller is going to be under political pressure to throw the book at Manafort and light him up at court. Well it is related to the special counsel. The whole financial aspect is entirely related to Russia because it details the amount of influence Russia had over Manafort and any other of Trump's staff such as Jared Kushner. Manafort by himself owed some $60 million to a Russian oligarch, that isn't an insignificant amount of leverage if said Russian oligarch wants to get some quid pro quo started behind the scenes. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24335 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:05 xDaunt wrote: I doubt that there's a plea deal with little jail time. Mueller is in a bit of a rough spot here. The problem with the Manafort indictment is that it does nothing to justify his appointment as special counsel. These are things that were already being investigated and could have been handled by a regular federal DA. I think Mueller is going to be under political pressure to throw the book at Manafort and light him up at court. I think if Manafort really thought the book was coming at him he would have sung like Christina Aguilera. Mueller is going to have to get something, but I don't think this is it. There's more out there to choose from though. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(They may also be trying to see if Trump's own reaction-if he contemplates firing Mueller after these two indictments, when they were obviously going to happen, it'll show he's basically not really understanding what's going on) | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:05 xDaunt wrote: I doubt that there's a plea deal with little jail time. Mueller is in a bit of a rough spot here. The problem with the Manafort indictment is that it does nothing to justify his appointment as special counsel. These are things that were already being investigated and could have been handled by a regular federal DA. I think Mueller is going to be under political pressure to throw the book at Manafort and light him up at court. Are you saying this because Trump or his campaign was not mentioned in the indictment? Nixon wasn't mentioned at all in the first indictments for Watergate. We'll have to see how this plays out, but it will come back to the campaign eventually. | ||
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doomdonker
90 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/UYxQb5T.png) If these guys get done, its because they clearly haven't watched The Wire. More specifically, don't write your fucking conspiracies down and don't talk to the police. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:26 doomdonker wrote: George Papadopolous, some guy who worked for the Trump campaign, just pleaded guilty about lying to the FBI about "the timing, extent, and the nature of his relationships and interactions with certain foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian government officials." And there it is! Direct ties to Trump's campaign. This guy is 23 or 24, straight out of college, who was nevertheless hired to Trump's natsec team during the campaign. Everyone thought this was really weird at the time, because most people on a natsec team for a presidential campaign are people who are respected diplomats or former military or something like that. Papadopolous was a total nobody. It was later revealed in several news articles that in early 2016, he helped get the Russian government in contact with Donald Trump. Looks like he cracked under pressure from the feds. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
https://int.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2017/indictment/Paul-Manafort-Rick-Gates-Indictment.pdf It's kind of weird how long the indictment is. A lot of them just list the charges without including hyper-detailed explanations, complete with tables of transactions from foreign banks. 75 million in foreign money... that's so much money, jesus And here is George P's https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf "The Professor" lol. I guess we know what he did after he got off Gilligan's Island. | ||
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doomdonker
90 Posts
Well why the fuck did you let Manafort run you campaign you idiot. Also that George guy is a complete moron lmao. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LEM775x.png) | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Manafort has always been the most obvious Putin stooge, but the thing that might really tie it all to Trump is this guy Papadapolous. 3 indictments today. Papadapolous' indictment mentions Trump and his campaign extensively, and also mentions he may be a cooperating witness. How long before someone makes this about Hillary? | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:40 doomdonker wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456 Well why the fuck did you let Manafort run you campaign you idiot. Also that George guy is a complete moron lmao. HAHAHAHA OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID??????? The FBI totally didn't check my Facebook account before they interviewed me. let me just click this delete button (which doesn't actually delete anything).... there, I'm safe now. Whew, that was a close one, they almost had me. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:42 Leporello wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-and-former-business-partner-asked-to-surrender-in-connection-with-special-counsel-probe/2017/10/30/6fe051f0-bd67-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?pushid=59f739934069751d00000027&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.231c3942e71d Manafort has always been the most obvious Putin stooge, but the thing that might really tie it all to Trump is this guy Papadapolous. 3 indictments today. Papadapolous' indictment mentions Trump and his campaign extensively, and also mentions he may be a cooperating witness. How long before someone makes this about Hillary? He pled guilty, that makes him a cooperating witness. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
The President of the United States. I wonder what he'll have to say about George. Fake charges? I knew nothing about the totally fake charges? EDIT: Sorry for triple post. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On October 30 2017 23:53 Doodsmack wrote: I'm sure Trump knew nothing about Manafort's criminal past, which included lobbying on behalf on Russian government (not just Ukraine government) interests. It is a total and complete coincidence that Manafort lived in Trump Tower prior to the campaign. It is also a total and complete coincidence that Manafort attend the Trump Jr meeting in which Trump Jr was promised damaging information from Hillary, coming from the Russian government as part of the Russian government's efforts to help Trump win. And it is a total and complete coincidence that shortly after said meeting, Trump tweeted about Hillary's missing emails, and not long later, publicly called for Russia to steal Hillary's missing emails. The Trump campaign's stated a willingness to collude, and there were full scale efforts by Russia to help Trump win - but this is all a witch hunt, and we should focus on Hillary instead! You forgot to mention that Manafort, Jared, and Don Jr all forgot to tell Trump himself about that meeting with the Russians. Also, George P got arrested at Dulles Airport 3 MONTHS ago. | ||
KwarK
United States44283 Posts
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