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On October 30 2017 05:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 05:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 04:36 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 04:24 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 04:18 ChristianS wrote:
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What are the non-"legit" possibilities here? Considering what a fuss the right is making, I sincerely hope the Democrats are accused of more than just paying an investigative firm for oppo research? We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. Okay, so they failed to report (to who? the IRS?) the expenditure on oppo research as expenditure on oppo research, they said it was spending on legal services. I assume that's at least illegal somehow (is it a tax thing or something?). Anything else? Because the right's frenzy on this one seems to go a lot further than "they didn't fill out the proper forms." Remember the stink over Donald Junior meeting with a Russian agent? This is that, but we know that money actually changed hands. Donald Junior met with a Russian agent specifically about information on the opposition. As far as I've read on the dossier thing, the DNC paid a UK firm to do research. And that firm hired someone who then found the stuff in the dossier (who then reported it to the FBI). Hence why this is such a non-starter. A foreign agent got the information after money had changed hands, with a couple of degrees of separation from the initial payments, and then went through all the correct US channels after that. If it was all above board, why all of the lying about it? What "all"? As has been mentioned in the last few posts, the most that's even been mentioned is that it wasn't filled out as "Opposition Research", or whatever the election regulations require. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that Steele contacted the FBI. Along with some US Senators, including McCain. The law firm and Hillary campaign both lied about their involvement. I don't see anything saying the law firm (or, more accurately, the lawyer) lied. It looks like no one even asked, and I'm sure client-lawyer privileges means he didn't even need to answer, at least not before it went all public. Clinton campaign didn't even have to lie, I'm sure. If they had any information at all during the campaign, it would've been used for sure (or they had the integrity to know not to use it, hah), and after the campaign Clinton's involvement dropped to zero. You need to get up to speed. A bunch of reporters -- including the NYT -- noted the lies. I'm on my phone, so I can't easily pull the articles.
Well, that's nice then. Please link those articles when you can.
In the meantime, it looks like Fusion GPS is no longer locked into client confidentiality since last week, so I'm sure we'll get proper details on the deal now.
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On October 30 2017 05:38 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:24 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 05:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 04:36 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 04:24 xDaunt wrote:
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We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. Okay, so they failed to report (to who? the IRS?) the expenditure on oppo research as expenditure on oppo research, they said it was spending on legal services. I assume that's at least illegal somehow (is it a tax thing or something?). Anything else? Because the right's frenzy on this one seems to go a lot further than "they didn't fill out the proper forms." Remember the stink over Donald Junior meeting with a Russian agent? This is that, but we know that money actually changed hands. Donald Junior met with a Russian agent specifically about information on the opposition. As far as I've read on the dossier thing, the DNC paid a UK firm to do research. And that firm hired someone who then found the stuff in the dossier (who then reported it to the FBI). Hence why this is such a non-starter. A foreign agent got the information after money had changed hands, with a couple of degrees of separation from the initial payments, and then went through all the correct US channels after that. If it was all above board, why all of the lying about it? What "all"? As has been mentioned in the last few posts, the most that's even been mentioned is that it wasn't filled out as "Opposition Research", or whatever the election regulations require. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that Steele contacted the FBI. Along with some US Senators, including McCain. The law firm and Hillary campaign both lied about their involvement. Is it even proven that the campaign was involved? Marc Elias was the client, but is there any evidence he told the campaign about it? Yep. The funds came from the Hillary campaign and the DNC. Attorneys don't front costs for their clients in these situations. And they aren't allowed to spend client money without authority to do so. Perkins Coie isn't a bush league outfit that would break these basic rules. But they are a law firm that does a ton of different work for the DNC, no? So if the law firm requested money for "oppo research" or even said it was for something even more vague, and the campaign sent the money, that would hardly prove "the campaign knew all along that Fusion GPS was paying Steele to pay foreign nationals for Russian lies." I'm not saying it's implausible that the campaign knew more, but especially since the oppo didn't really turn up anything verifiable, it's also not crazy to think that Elias wasn't gonna tell them anything until he found something concrete. Especially recently, you don't have a lot of credibility when you talk about this stuff, so you're going to have to cross your t's and dot your i's.
Go read that David French piece from the National Review. It has everything.
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On October 30 2017 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 04:54 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2017 03:27 Slaughter wrote:On October 30 2017 03:02 Danglars wrote:On October 30 2017 01:45 Slaughter wrote:
The more Trump tweets the more I kind of wish societies still exiled people, not sure who would take Trump and his shitty family though. Your gripe is really with the people that sent him to office despite his tweeting habits. Half the country already wants to exile the other half from what I can tell. Not really. Unlike the caricature of the left that the right peddles most people don't think everyone who voted for Trump is deplorable like Trump himself is You should really visit California. You also won't personally call them deplorable (though I cop comments like that all the time), but you want to exile their Presidential choice. Right. I almost got robbed by the rural people of California, about two hours north of San Fransisco, and I can tell 100% the person trying to rob me was a farm boy republican. Kept talking about he had no where to go, and he would kill some one if he has to in order to live. I acted like I had a gun on me, and he backed the fuck up, but really I didn't and this guy was easily two times my size, and had a buddy circling me. I've seen more hate, and violence out of the right first hand that it's scary the rabbit hole the current executive branch is going through. And if you remember, only 24% of the country voted for Trump. Not half.
The story of when ShoCkeyy met a California redneck, while poignant, does very little about the real stereotype libs that live in San Francisco, SoCal, and all up and down the coast.
Roughly half the people that showed up to vote voted Trump. They did so knowing his tweeting behavior up to this point. But keep trying to recruit people that didn't vote to your side.
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I don't consider David French or the national review much of a source; iirc i've seen far too much BS and extreme bias from them.
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On October 30 2017 05:41 zlefin wrote:
I don't consider David French or the national review much of a source; iirc i've seen far too much BS and extreme bias from them.
Or you could put your critical thinking hat on for once and read the piece so that you can see what sources he cites. I doubt that anyone on the left would take issue with those.
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There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
Lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct). Yes they may have hidden payment. I'll give you that.
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting.
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On October 30 2017 05:44 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:41 zlefin wrote:
I don't consider David French or the national review much of a source; iirc i've seen far too much BS and extreme bias from them. Or you could put your critical thinking hat on for once and read the piece so that you can see what sources he cites. I doubt that anyone on the left would take issue with those.
My hat is on all the time; I don't consider your claims to be good enough to be worth looking into, given your history of lying and disinformation. I'd need a direct source from something more credible.
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Lol, that David French article is a joke. He says the dossier was tricky because it was well-formatted, he says BuzzFeed is an amateur group (noooo, really?), he calls out the DNC and Hillary for waging some good vs evil war (and my axe!), but has nothing of actual content.
Okay, not true. He says the Marc Elias arrangement was "clever" because it let them disconnect from the actual transaction. Which, yes, is the entire point of having a legal firm manage that stuff?
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On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting.
I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons.
And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted.
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On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted.
DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin.
Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm.
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On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm.
Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment.
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On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment.
Which again, brings us back to the start of this chain...
What are people expecting this investigation to bring other than "Opposition research" wasn't listed on payments to a law firm?
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On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment.
You want another Benghazi.
We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started.
I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt.
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On October 30 2017 05:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:38 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:24 ChristianS wrote:On October 30 2017 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 05:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 30 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 04:36 ChristianS wrote:
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Okay, so they failed to report (to who? the IRS?) the expenditure on oppo research as expenditure on oppo research, they said it was spending on legal services. I assume that's at least illegal somehow (is it a tax thing or something?).
Anything else? Because the right's frenzy on this one seems to go a lot further than "they didn't fill out the proper forms." Remember the stink over Donald Junior meeting with a Russian agent? This is that, but we know that money actually changed hands. Donald Junior met with a Russian agent specifically about information on the opposition. As far as I've read on the dossier thing, the DNC paid a UK firm to do research. And that firm hired someone who then found the stuff in the dossier (who then reported it to the FBI). Hence why this is such a non-starter. A foreign agent got the information after money had changed hands, with a couple of degrees of separation from the initial payments, and then went through all the correct US channels after that. If it was all above board, why all of the lying about it? What "all"? As has been mentioned in the last few posts, the most that's even been mentioned is that it wasn't filled out as "Opposition Research", or whatever the election regulations require. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that Steele contacted the FBI. Along with some US Senators, including McCain. The law firm and Hillary campaign both lied about their involvement. Is it even proven that the campaign was involved? Marc Elias was the client, but is there any evidence he told the campaign about it? Yep. The funds came from the Hillary campaign and the DNC. Attorneys don't front costs for their clients in these situations. And they aren't allowed to spend client money without authority to do so. Perkins Coie isn't a bush league outfit that would break these basic rules. But they are a law firm that does a ton of different work for the DNC, no? So if the law firm requested money for "oppo research" or even said it was for something even more vague, and the campaign sent the money, that would hardly prove "the campaign knew all along that Fusion GPS was paying Steele to pay foreign nationals for Russian lies." I'm not saying it's implausible that the campaign knew more, but especially since the oppo didn't really turn up anything verifiable, it's also not crazy to think that Elias wasn't gonna tell them anything until he found something concrete. Especially recently, you don't have a lot of credibility when you talk about this stuff, so you're going to have to cross your t's and dot your i's. Go read that David French piece from the National Review. It has everything.
I read it, although it doesn't really get into proof that the Clinton campaign knew what they were funding. Are you sure you didn't mean to cite the WaPo article? Because that's all French does.
And even the WaPo article only concludes that the law firm retained Fusion GPS, not that the campaign knew anything about it. Again, maybe they did and they're lying, but where's the proof?
And again, what specifically do you think the crime was? Because as noted previously, oppo research is not illegal.
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Here is the best piece of the Dossier so far. With an endorsement** from none other than Bill Browder (the late Magnitsky's friend and advocate).
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Truth and lies?
The savviest influence operations are the ones that sprinkle bits of truth in with the lies in order to heighten the plausibility of what's being sold but also, in the case of blackmail or kompromat, to put a target on notice that his secrets are known. If we're to assume that the Russian government was aware of Steele's investigation because of its friendly point people at Fusion GPS, might it have helped furnish material for the dossier in its own self-serving way? Just enough true revelations to rattle the Trumpkins, but plenty of disinformation to keep American journalists, spooks and law enforcement agents chasing after ghosts?
The British historian Ben Macintyre has still given the best critical appraisal of the dossier, in an offhand comment to the New York Times, based on what he says were his conversations with other graying manes from Her Majesty's Secret Service. "They set up an ex-MI6 guy, Chris Steele, who is a patsy, effectively, and they feed him some stuff that's true, and some stuff that isn't true, and some stuff that is demonstrably wrong. Which means that Trump can then stand up and deny it, while knowing that the essence of it is true. And then he has a stone in his shoe for the rest of his administration."
By these lights, the Clinton campaign's funding of the dossier matters not nearly as much as finding out what in it is true and possibly causing the President to tread so carefully when it comes to Putin.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/29/opinions/trump-dossier-matters-opinion-weiss/index.html
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On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt.
You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter?
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On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made?
You're talking about investigating the Clinton campaign, not the dossier's claims. We've already been investigating the dossier's claims for a while now.
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Jesus, this board is really just too tolerant for its own good. I'll happily take a ban if you guys just could just please put a nix on every other page devolving into some bullshit Fox News talking point. For the greater good.
Christopher Steele isn't Russian. He is British, and has actually spent his life working against Russian interests. You think a lifetime of service might mean something.
Fusion GPS is a research firm with employees around the world.
None of these facts have any bearing on the actual investigation into Trump and Russia. The dossier didn't fire James Comey over "the Rrussiar thing". The dossier didn't praise Putin's approval ratings and insult NATO. Trump's actions and words are responsible for any investigation into Trump.
It is not illegal, by any stretch, for the DNC to hire an MI6 spy to do research on their political opponent, who just happens to display a raging-boner for Putin every time he is on television.
There isn't even a logic to this. Just insinuation -- "they lied". Sort of like how before the election, we were never told what was specifically illegal about Hillary's e-mails. Just "her e-mails". It's called bullshit, and it's very apparent.
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On October 30 2017 06:13 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On October 30 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On October 30 2017 05:47 Gorsameth wrote:
There are to many steps in the chain to blindly assume the DNC had full knowledge.
lets assume they used the lawfirm as a go between to pay Fusion GPS for opponent research. Still nothing fishy here since this is an American company doing this kind of research (assuming their wiki page is correct).
Did the DNC then know that Fusion GPS hired Steele? Unlikely without direct evidence imo. An investigation firm isn't going to tell you which PI's they hire to do the actual work.
Even if the DNC knew Steele was involved, were they told he contacted Kremlin associates and payed them for info? Again, unlikely without direct evidence.
I can see the DNC lying about paying Fusion GPS. But them knowing the info came from payed Kremlin associates? That's a big stretch.
And in no way, shape or form is this equivalent to a Russian lawyer contacting you about handing over information from the Russian Government and a KGB agent being at that meeting. I doubt the DNC had anything to do with it, and they have denied it. My money is on the Clintons. And I already highlighted the relevant factual issues above that are not resolved. An investigation is clearly warranted. DNC or Clinton directly, Same deal, I need actual evidence they knew about Steele contacting the Kremlin. Just Fusion GPS does not make this a conspiracy because they are an American investigation firm. Sure, hence the need for an investigation. I'm not calling for an indictment. You want another Benghazi. We had a lot more circumstantial evidence before an investigation into the Trump campaign started. I want more before you go on yet another witch hunt. You're not interested in finding out whether the dossier is true and how it came be made? Or how it may have been used for that matter?
Pretty sure the FBI interviewed Steele to find out just that.
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On October 30 2017 06:14 Leporello wrote:
Jesus, this board is really just too tolerant for its own good. I'll happily take a ban if you guys just could just please put a nix on every other page devolving into some bullshit Fox News talking point. For the greater good.
Christopher Steele isn't Russian. He is British, and has actually spent his life working against Russian interests. You think a lifetime of service might mean something.
Fusion GPS is a research firm with employees around the world.
None of these facts have any bearing on the actual investigation into Trump and Russia. The dossier didn't fire James Comey over "the Rrussiar thing". The dossier didn't praise Putin's approval ratings and insult NATO. Trump's actions and words are responsible for any investigation into Trump.
It is not illegal, by any stretch, for the DNC to hire an MI6 spy to do research on their political opponent, who just happens to display a raging-boner for Putin every time he is on television.
There isn't even a logic to this. Just insinuation -- "they lied". Sort of like how before the election, we were never told what was specifically illegal about Hillary's e-mails. Just "her e-mails". It's called bullshit, and it's very apparent.
board complaints should be directed to website feedback; there's a very long thread there on this topic. and complaints akin to yours have already been made and rejected by the powers that be.
and on bans, even if you could arrange a ban trade to clean stuff up, it'd take more than just yours trading for another to bring it to a good place.
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