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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 30 2017 02:18 Wulfey_LA wrote: For trump to be this crazy, almost makes me think Kushner. Big question is what to Rs do when Trump goes full Nixon and fires Mueller to protect his beloved son in law. Isn't he just gonna pardon him? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Trump is just naturally an angry man who likes to ramble on twitter and I don't think his anger above is any more serious than it was before. He has always been furious about all the Russia investigations and quite frankly doesn't understand it, which makes the question of why it exists so much more bothering for him. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
If he pardons Kushner and Kushner accepts, it means that Kushner is admitting he was guilty of what he was being accused of. At that point some state AGs would probably try to get into the running, and Trump can't pardon him of anything but federal crimes | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
Manafort's money laundering could be taken down by any old AG office. The freak out here feels way higher than I would expect if Manafort were just going down for regular old Russia-Cyprus-TrumpCondos money laundering. WSJ Editorial board is openly calling for firing Mueller and indicting Hillary. This is Jeanine Pirro level stuff coming from an international tier newspaper. The Wall Street Journal's editorial board called this week for a full Russia investigation — not into President Donald Trump, but into the Democratic party, the FBI, and special counsel Robert Mueller. "It turns out that Russia has sown distrust in the U.S. political system—aided and abetted by the Democratic Party, and perhaps the FBI," the editorial began. "This is an about-face from the dominant media narrative of the last year, and it requires a full investigation." The editorial argued that a Washington Post report published Tuesday "revealed" that Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee hired the Perkins Coie law firm, which in turn retained the opposition-research firm Fusion GPS and funded a now-infamous dossier containing salacious allegations about Trump's ties to Russia. The dossier was compiled by ex-British spy, Christopher Steele, who has several deep Russian sources. "Strip out the middlemen, and it appears that Democrats paid for Russians to compile wild allegations about a US presidential candidate," the editorial said. "Did someone say 'collusion'?" http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-mueller-trump-russia-dossier-collusion-clinton-2017-10 | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
at any rate, we'll find out tomorrow, and then we can respond based on what we have. no need to speculate rampantly in this case, as we'll have a good answer soon. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On October 30 2017 02:39 Wulfey_LA wrote: Kushner was the one who was pushing for Comey to be fired. No one else thought it was a good idea. Kushner's schemes and work with Cambridge Analytica go straight towards the Russian collusion and obstruction of justice (Comey) that Mueller was called upon to investigate. Manafort's money laundering could be taken down by any old AG office. The freak out here feels way higher than I would expect if Manafort were just going down for regular old Russia-Cyprus-TrumpCondos money laundering. WSJ Editorial board is openly calling for firing Mueller and indicting Hillary. This is Jeanine Pirro level stuff coming from an international tier newspaper. http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-mueller-trump-russia-dossier-collusion-clinton-2017-10 Looks like just another Trump diversion tbh. nothing special about it. If it was Kushner I would expect Mueller to be fired already. The reason you go after Manafort first is that you want to put him under pressure to give up information that you can use against the bigger guys. You want a testimony from a guy who was in the room to make things stick. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 30 2017 01:45 Slaughter wrote: The more Trump tweets the more I kind of wish societies still exiled people, not sure who would take Trump and his shitty family though. Your gripe is really with the people that sent him to office despite his tweeting habits. Half the country already wants to exile the other half from what I can tell. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 30 2017 03:02 Danglars wrote: Your gripe is really with the people that sent him to office despite his tweeting habits. Half the country already wants to exile the other half from what I can tell. No one wants to exile all Trump voters. I'm sure the majority of farmers voted for him, and I like having food. I've actually never seen anyone call to exile the KKK or white supremacists either. | ||
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Introvert
United States5082 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On October 30 2017 03:02 Danglars wrote: Your gripe is really with the people that sent him to office despite his tweeting habits. Half the country already wants to exile the other half from what I can tell. Not really. Unlike the caricature of the left that the right peddles most people don't think everyone who voted for Trump is deplorable like Trump himself is | ||
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urmomdresslikafloozy
191 Posts
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516246-Nobel-Peace-Prize-Winner-Elie-Wiesel-Sexually-Assaulted-Teenager-at-Charity-Event Even youtube jesus is putting his two cents in: It will be interesting to see if more accusers come out. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 29 2017 19:28 GreenHorizons wrote: Yes Also I hope the Mueller fans are ready for a ball full of disappointment.. Wait, what would be the disappointing outcome? I'm pretty sure everyone expects Manafort to be the name released tomorrow. At most, Kushner as well. On October 30 2017 03:38 urmomdresslikafloozy wrote: The Ron Paul crowd is going nuts with the Elie Wiesel sexual assault alligations http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516246-Nobel-Peace-Prize-Winner-Elie-Wiesel-Sexually-Assaulted-Teenager-at-Charity-Event Even youtube jesus is putting his two cents in: It will be interesting to see if more accusers come out. So, like, this is your forum and youtube channel, right? Hard to think of anything less noteworthy than a forum thread with 3 posts and a Youtuber named "Styxhexenhammer666" (so edgy). | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2017 03:15 Introvert wrote: Wait, has it been reported how much the DNC (or whoever) spent directly or indirectly on the dossier? Maybe I missed it. I don't think so. The Hillary campaign and DNC sent $12 million combined to the attorney, but I don't think anyone has gotten the bank records from either the attorney, Fusion GPS, or Steele, so we don't know where that $12 million went. I'd expect most of it to be legit, however. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 30 2017 04:15 xDaunt wrote: I don't think so. The Hillary campaign and DNC sent $12 million combined to the attorney, but I don't think anyone has gotten the bank records from either the attorney, Fusion GPS, or Steele, so we don't know where that $12 million went. I'd expect most of it to be legit, however. What are the non-"legit" possibilities here? Considering what a fuss the right is making, I sincerely hope the Democrats are accused of more than just paying an investigative firm for oppo research? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2017 04:18 ChristianS wrote: What are the non-"legit" possibilities here? Considering what a fuss the right is making, I sincerely hope the Democrats are accused of more than just paying an investigative firm for oppo research? We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 30 2017 04:24 xDaunt wrote: We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. Okay, so they failed to report (to who? the IRS?) the expenditure on oppo research as expenditure on oppo research, they said it was spending on legal services. I assume that's at least illegal somehow (is it a tax thing or something?). Anything else? Because the right's frenzy on this one seems to go a lot further than "they didn't fill out the proper forms." | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2017 04:36 ChristianS wrote: Okay, so they failed to report (to who? the IRS?) the expenditure on oppo research as expenditure on oppo research, they said it was spending on legal services. I assume that's at least illegal somehow (is it a tax thing or something?). Anything else? Because the right's frenzy on this one seems to go a lot further than "they didn't fill out the proper forms." Remember the stink over Donald Junior meeting with a Russian agent? This is that, but we know that money actually changed hands. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On October 30 2017 04:24 xDaunt wrote: We already know that they failed to report the expenditure on the opposition research and only listed the payments to the attorney as legal services -- i.e. They laundered the funds through the trust account. This wouldn't be laundering.. I don't know of any reporting requirement that would make this mis-categorizing an expense either. Care to elaborate? | ||
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