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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:34 KwarK wrote: I think the point is that the discovery of the Americas for Europeans wasn't a universally good thing. It was the beginning of a manmade apocalypse for the civilizations that already existed there, with Columbus as the harbinger of genocide. Imagine if an arsonist chained all the doors to a building shut and then burned it to the ground. It doesn't matter how cool the new building you built from the ashes is, it's still a dick move to celebrate the arsonist for making all that possible. The metaphor fails slightly of course because Columbus is a considerably less noble figure than the arsonist in that example. Americans have the same hand-wringing problem with regards to the Constitution because, surprise surprise, practically no one engages with abjectly racist shit like the 3/5s clause unless they actually seek out that knowledge on their own or wind up taking a constitutional law class. Thus, when folks rightly point out, "well, you know our nation was founded on a racist document that absolutely needed revision throughout our history," crybaby conservatives throw up their arms while screaming, "THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR HISTORY!" | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:36 Danglars wrote: https://twitter.com/adamjwhitedc/status/917742435354234887 and how many of those things do you think were on fox and friends this morning? heh | ||
KwarK
United States44286 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10950 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On October 10 2017 22:48 Velr wrote: At least i'm pretty sure i distinctly remember that Danglars found it was unconstitutional, facist and yadayada when Obama used his pen. In all fairness to Danglars, just because he posted the tweet does not mean he agrees that trump should use the pen. But I am pretty sure the LL/xDaunt/Danglars of the thread were all against Obama doing it | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Seriously, though, the ultimate irony of that statement is that thus far Trump has used the power of the pen to chip and nibble away at the ACA, never to actually promote a replacement (because he does not even understand the R boilerplate talking points he recited at debates). | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28892 Posts
*I don't actually doubt that Trump might have a high iq. Seen plenty idiots with high iq, what one actually learns is much more relevant than what one has the genetic capacity for learning. But I'm still highly amused by the fact that a president challenges his secretary of state to an iq test battle to determine who the real moron is. | ||
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KwarK
United States44286 Posts
It doesn't need to be geopolitics, or healthcare or whatever, Trump doing a talk on real estate investing would still meet that criteria. If he just spoke about what he had learned from his father or his highly paid advisers etc, that'd still count. But I've yet to see anything like that. You'll get a more intelligent response from asking an average 9 year old boy why triceratops is the best dinosaur than you do from Trump on any subject. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 10 2017 23:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: I, for one, would love to see the trump-tillerson iq test battle. That'd truly be great. *I don't actually doubt that Trump might have a high iq. Seen plenty idiots with high iq, what one actually learns is much more relevant than what one has the genetic capacity for learning. But I'm still highly amused by the fact that a president challenges his secretary of state to an iq test battle to determine who the real moron is. I don't see Trump performing well on the verbal reasoning components of rigorous IQ screens, too much word salad (imagine Trump trying to define "freedom" or explain the pros and cons of a free press). I also don't see him doing well in logical reasoning when he publicly claims Tillerson never called him a moron and it's fake news then publicly challenges him to an IQ test battle in the span of two sentences. But people can surprise you I guess. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On October 10 2017 23:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: I, for one, would love to see the trump-tillerson iq test battle. That'd truly be great. *I don't actually doubt that Trump might have a high iq. Seen plenty idiots with high iq, what one actually learns is much more relevant than what one has the genetic capacity for learning. But I'm still highly amused by the fact that a president challenges his secretary of state to an iq test battle to determine who the real moron is. wait, when did this happen? Did I miss this tweet? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28892 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28892 Posts
On October 10 2017 23:27 IyMoon wrote: wait, when did this happen? Did I miss this tweet? https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/exclusive-interview/#14388475bdec He counterpunches, in this case firing a shot at Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who reportedly called his boss a moron: "I think it's fake news, but if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win." | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
We’ve probably eroded norms to the point where he’ll get away with it too. The ACA is such a disaster that I can’t think of any extra-constitutional fuckery that would improve things. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
This also plays really well for democrat long term strategy. The GOP is really well served by being able to talk about how much good they COULD do, and it gets them a lot of votes, but being able to see this rhetoric pan out will be really bad. Trump using executive orders (suddenly republicans aren't triggered rofl) and not making things much better other than symbolizing some kinda "less government is now occurring! Hooray!" will be big for AARP and similar groups. If old folks are getting less money, this braindead voting group will vote for whoever says they will get more money. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 11 2017 00:37 Plansix wrote: I am mostly concerned that he is going to screw over a bunch of people who need health service just to try and destroy the ACA. My wife’s job in elder care is already in the weird state of limbo where they are waiting for federal funding to be cut at any moment. People could just lost out on visiting nurses they relied on because the man baby in the oval office don’t want to keep Obama’s healthcare law. Yeah, I'd definitely be sweating bullets if I worked in health care right now. I can imagine a lot of hospitals or whatever are in situations where losing funding 100% guarantees layoffs or reduction of contracts etc. I think he is hoping to disrupt the ACA into needing more reforms. But this strategy only works when funds are being increased, not decreased. People won't always know who provided the funding, but they know who takes away the funding. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 11 2017 00:37 Plansix wrote: I am mostly concerned that he is going to screw over a bunch of people who need health service just to try and destroy the ACA. My wife’s job in elder care is already in the weird state of limbo where they are waiting for federal funding to be cut at any moment. People could just lost out on visiting nurses they relied on because the man baby in the oval office don’t want to keep Obama’s healthcare law. He's already screwing people over by not letting them know when to sign up... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 11 2017 00:43 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah, I'd definitely be sweating bullets if I worked in health care right now. I can imagine a lot of hospitals or whatever are in situations where losing funding 100% guarantees layoffs or reduction of contracts etc. I think he is hoping to disrupt the ACA into needing more reforms. But this strategy only works when funds are being increased, not decreased. People won't always know who provided the funding, but they know who takes away the funding. Her job is fine, there is zero chance of her losing it. But there are a bunch of people who rely on visiting nurses and other services that could just lose funding. Or worse, they could just stop because funding isn’t a sure thing. And it isn’t like they can just stick their parents in a nursing home while Trump goes through his baby fit. Her manager has already said that none of them will have to make the phone calls if that happens. It is so bullshit. And we are going to have to wait until the end of 2018 to even see hope of this improving. On October 11 2017 00:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: He's already screwing people over by not letting them know when to sign up... I expect that website to never be up and constantly fail. They are going to bend over backwards to make sure no one can sign up for anything. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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