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On October 05 2017 05:10 IgnE wrote:
alternatively, the conservative mode of analyzing PR's failure is to turn PR and its denizens into the objectified Other: "they are just third world animals incapable of helping themselves, and would be an endless money pit, like Africa is. the best we can do is try to make profit there where we can and accept the 'right subjects' as immigrants to our major cities where they display the requisite ambition, education, and deference to American myth."
Yep, this is about right.
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How can Africa be a money pit if so many friends of the doneld go there to make money?
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How about racial negligence as a term to call those who don't believe their race is superior, but also are ignorant/apathetic about racial issues?
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On October 05 2017 05:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 04:49 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society." I still think you are still misrepresenting the situation. I have not seen anything to indicate the fundamental love for the country being gone, just that the country is deeply troubled. A marriage can be in complete shambles, yet you still love each other. That kinda thing. When we start accusing the nation of being racist and, in doing so, attack its historical and cultural foundations, we're way-beyond the type of rhetoric that could be characterized as "relationship saving." That's the rhetoric of ugly divorce. This is you choosing to get offended and upset over the language being used. That is on you. If you want to criticize how it makes you feel, that's one thing. But your criticism has been the intended message. I am saying that you are misunderstanding the intended message and that your sensitivity is what is causing issues for you.
So what, are we also supposed to ignore the obvious stigma of calling black people niggers? C'mon, now.
And I think you have it backwards: I understand the full nature of the message whereas you are missing a lot of the important subtext. The message that you like and to which I would not object is that "police brutality is a problem in America, particularly for black people." The problem is that that is not the full extent of the message. There is far more being communicated when the message is "the nation is racist and founded on racism."
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On October 05 2017 05:18 Ryzel wrote:
How about racial negligence as a term to call those who don't believe their race is superior, but also are ignorant/apathetic about racial issues?
Being ignorant/negligent without fear of consequence is a key part of white supremacy. "If it's not a white problem it isn't my problem" is a racist position. That they don't consciously think that and just act on it doesn't mean they aren't perpetuating white supremacy.
On October 05 2017 05:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 05:01 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 04:49 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society." I still think you are still misrepresenting the situation. I have not seen anything to indicate the fundamental love for the country being gone, just that the country is deeply troubled. A marriage can be in complete shambles, yet you still love each other. That kinda thing. When we start accusing the nation of being racist and, in doing so, attack its historical and cultural foundations, we're way-beyond the type of rhetoric that could be characterized as "relationship saving." That's the rhetoric of ugly divorce. This is you choosing to get offended and upset over the language being used. That is on you. If you want to criticize how it makes you feel, that's one thing. But your criticism has been the intended message. I am saying that you are misunderstanding the intended message and that your sensitivity is what is causing issues for you. So what, are we also supposed to ignore the obvious stigma of calling black people niggers? C'mon, now. And I think you have it backwards: I understand the full nature of the message whereas you are missing a lot of the important subtext. The message that you like and to which I would not object is that "police brutality is a problem in America, particularly for black people." The problem is that that is not the full extent of the message. There is far more being communicated when the message is "the nation is racist and founded on racism."
Are you arguing the nation that enslaved people because of the color of their skin and those slaves built the very house in which our leader sits (during the week anyway) was not founded in part on racism?
Imagining you concede that, when did it stop being racist in your view?
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United States44442 Posts
On October 05 2017 05:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 05:01 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 04:49 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society." I still think you are still misrepresenting the situation. I have not seen anything to indicate the fundamental love for the country being gone, just that the country is deeply troubled. A marriage can be in complete shambles, yet you still love each other. That kinda thing. When we start accusing the nation of being racist and, in doing so, attack its historical and cultural foundations, we're way-beyond the type of rhetoric that could be characterized as "relationship saving." That's the rhetoric of ugly divorce. This is you choosing to get offended and upset over the language being used. That is on you. If you want to criticize how it makes you feel, that's one thing. But your criticism has been the intended message. I am saying that you are misunderstanding the intended message and that your sensitivity is what is causing issues for you. So what, are we also supposed to ignore the obvious stigma of calling black people niggers? C'mon, now. And I think you have it backwards: I understand the full nature of the message whereas you are missing a lot of the important subtext. The message that you like and to which I would not object is that "police brutality is a problem in America, particularly for black people." The problem is that that is not the full extent of the message. There is far more being communicated when the message is "the nation is racist and founded on racism."
The reason the founders could spend so much time dicking around arguing about political philosophy is that they had a bunch of black folks doing all the work who didn't get paid. Hell, they wrote about the fact that there were black folks doing all the work and not getting paid in the thing they wrote when they were founding the place. You can check. It's in there.
If you don't think racism was a core component of the founding of America then I question whether you know anything about who the founders were or what they founded.
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On October 05 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 04:56 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 04:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 04:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 03:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 05 2017 00:51 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2017 12:20 Gahlo wrote:
I'm happy to state the obvious: The United States is not exactly a paragon of well-run, civilized, and industrious society. Y'all on the Left should be shaming this post a little more. I know how much you guys hate having your patriotism questioned, and this kind of stupid shit does nothing but reinforce those very sentiments. really dunno how you got the impression leftists hate having our patriotism questioned. As far as I'm concerned, what you seemingly regard as patriotism (based on how you phrase your condemnation of gahlo's post) is a vice more than a virtue. Historically, it's a common sore spot for the American Left. And I've seen plenty of American posters object to it around here. I think the reaction to my charge is all you really need to see. Now, it could be that y'all care less than you used to. Why do you keep typing "y'all"? And why does no one comment that he types "y'all"? It's his less than creative version of "bruh" as a somewhat condescending method of trying to come off as disconnected and unconcerned with the ideas and responses being discussed. It's a shitty attempt at semi-trolling. yeah, that is exactly my feeling. It just feels like he's being a troll. It's just strange since he is clearly significantly emotionally invested in this thread No, I just use y'all in every day speech. Why do you type like dis?
Dere 'r' ai 'undred accents in the yoo-K but no un types like how dey talk.
In doing so you come across as disrespectful and insincere, which is completely at odds as when you write that you have respectful values or that you are indeed a sincere person.
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On October 05 2017 04:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 03:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 05 2017 00:51 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2017 12:20 Gahlo wrote:
I'm happy to state the obvious: The United States is not exactly a paragon of well-run, civilized, and industrious society. Y'all on the Left should be shaming this post a little more. I know how much you guys hate having your patriotism questioned, and this kind of stupid shit does nothing but reinforce those very sentiments. really dunno how you got the impression leftists hate having our patriotism questioned. As far as I'm concerned, what you seemingly regard as patriotism (based on how you phrase your condemnation of gahlo's post) is a vice more than a virtue. Historically, it's a common sore spot for the American Left. And I've seen plenty of American posters object to it around here. I think the reaction to my charge is all you really need to see. Now, it could be that y'all care less than you used to.
It is the same deal that you seem to have with being called racist by leftists. It has lost all meaning coming from those on the right, so the most you'll get for calling someone unpatriotic for going to a Starbucks is an eyeroll
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On October 05 2017 04:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 04:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 04:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 03:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 05 2017 00:51 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2017 12:20 Gahlo wrote:
I'm happy to state the obvious: The United States is not exactly a paragon of well-run, civilized, and industrious society. Y'all on the Left should be shaming this post a little more. I know how much you guys hate having your patriotism questioned, and this kind of stupid shit does nothing but reinforce those very sentiments. really dunno how you got the impression leftists hate having our patriotism questioned. As far as I'm concerned, what you seemingly regard as patriotism (based on how you phrase your condemnation of gahlo's post) is a vice more than a virtue. Historically, it's a common sore spot for the American Left. And I've seen plenty of American posters object to it around here. I think the reaction to my charge is all you really need to see. Now, it could be that y'all care less than you used to. Why do you keep typing "y'all"? And why does no one comment that he types "y'all"? It's his less than creative version of "bruh" as a somewhat condescending method of trying to come off as disconnected and unconcerned with the ideas and responses being discussed. It's a shitty attempt at semi-trolling. Yes, exactly, that is my interpretation as well, since he deliberately adds the phrase randomly where it can be read without it at all. It comes across as one big troll attempt. What is odd is that he is clearly and significantly emotionally invested in the thread.
On October 05 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 04:56 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 04:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 04:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 03:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 05 2017 00:51 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2017 12:20 Gahlo wrote:
I'm happy to state the obvious: The United States is not exactly a paragon of well-run, civilized, and industrious society. Y'all on the Left should be shaming this post a little more. I know how much you guys hate having your patriotism questioned, and this kind of stupid shit does nothing but reinforce those very sentiments. really dunno how you got the impression leftists hate having our patriotism questioned. As far as I'm concerned, what you seemingly regard as patriotism (based on how you phrase your condemnation of gahlo's post) is a vice more than a virtue. Historically, it's a common sore spot for the American Left. And I've seen plenty of American posters object to it around here. I think the reaction to my charge is all you really need to see. Now, it could be that y'all care less than you used to. Why do you keep typing "y'all"? And why does no one comment that he types "y'all"? It's his less than creative version of "bruh" as a somewhat condescending method of trying to come off as disconnected and unconcerned with the ideas and responses being discussed. It's a shitty attempt at semi-trolling. No, I just use y'all in every day speech.
But why do you type like dis? Dere are ai ‘undred accents in the yoo-K, but no un types like how dey speak. It is considered disrespectful and insincere. It appears that you are deliberately cultivating an image which is at odds with how respectful and sincere as you often try to make yourself out to be.
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The White House was built by slaves. The Senate was built by slaves. The halls of congress were built by slaves. The seat of power was built by slaves. America was founded on racism. That racism was ingrained that we fought one of the largest and most costly civil wars in human history. The strife that plagues our nation is a failure to accept the foundation of racism that still haunts us.
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y'all is used in everyday speak in the south and in some places in the midwest. Its not a disrespectful thing its just a cultural thing.
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Yes, but why do you type dis in every post?
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On October 05 2017 05:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, but why do you type dis in every post?
Beacuse text is suppose to represent speech in written form?
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On October 05 2017 05:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, but why do you type dis in every post?
It is just a thing. It is a way to add character to the written word. It is no big deal and common in the US.
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There's like milllions of Irish and Scottish people in UK with a similar linguistic "y'all" speech. None of them type like how they speak. It's as if you end every single sentence with um or yep. It comes across as extremely disrespectful to my eyes. I also know plenty of Southern Americans and the only time they say y'all is when they are hamming it up deliberately as American persona in a foriegn land, which is a highly doubtful as a reason in an American thread.
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Harping on xDaunt's use of y'all is much sillier than his consistent use of it.
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There has to be another thread to talk about the idiosyncrasies of the American English language.
On October 05 2017 05:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Harping on xDaunt's use of y'all is much sillier than his consistent use of it.
I'd much rather harp on his ahistorical objection to the US being founded on racism
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The consistency is the wierd thing though. If it was once in a while, I would think it'll be because he wishes to express solidarity with Americaness, kind of how bardtown would call everyone a wanker every now and then in the UK thread. It's as if there is an American politics behind it.
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On October 05 2017 05:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 04:56 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 04:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 04:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 03:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 05 2017 00:51 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2017 12:20 Gahlo wrote:
I'm happy to state the obvious: The United States is not exactly a paragon of well-run, civilized, and industrious society. Y'all on the Left should be shaming this post a little more. I know how much you guys hate having your patriotism questioned, and this kind of stupid shit does nothing but reinforce those very sentiments. really dunno how you got the impression leftists hate having our patriotism questioned. As far as I'm concerned, what you seemingly regard as patriotism (based on how you phrase your condemnation of gahlo's post) is a vice more than a virtue. Historically, it's a common sore spot for the American Left. And I've seen plenty of American posters object to it around here. I think the reaction to my charge is all you really need to see. Now, it could be that y'all care less than you used to. Why do you keep typing "y'all"? And why does no one comment that he types "y'all"? It's his less than creative version of "bruh" as a somewhat condescending method of trying to come off as disconnected and unconcerned with the ideas and responses being discussed. It's a shitty attempt at semi-trolling. yeah, that is exactly my feeling. It just feels like he's being a troll. It's just strange since he is clearly significantly emotionally invested in this thread No, I just use y'all in every day speech. Why do you type like dis? Dere 'r' ai 'undred accents in the yoo-K but no un types like how dey talk. In doing so you come across as disrespectful and insincere, which is completely at odds as when you write that you have respectful values or that you are indeed a sincere person.
y'all is a perfectly functional and respectable 2nd person plural pronoun
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Sounds better in English than "you all" and y'all are just harping on about something that really don' matter. Frankly I'm sort of tar'd of it.
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