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On September 20 2017 06:58 LegalLord wrote:
More money spent on the military puts more money into the hands of the people who work on important advanced research projects - which includes those who work from the hallowed halls of academia.
Less than 10% of the military budget is spent on research, and that's when you take the entire research area costs including recruitment, overhead, facilities etc. The military is where dollars go to die.
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On September 20 2017 07:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 06:58 LegalLord wrote:
More money spent on the military puts more money into the hands of the people who work on important advanced research projects - which includes those who work from the hallowed halls of academia.
More money into education generally leads to construction of endless university infrastructure projects, real estate of little worth, dorms for exorbitant prices, and so on. There is not a lack of money being spent on education, just a lack of proportionate results.
Healthcare is similar.
Infrastructure lol.
Two of the above three problems could adequately be solved with communism. Your lack of understanding of the military is astounding. I cannot possibly understand how you came to such a naive conclusion.
So much this.
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I expected more to be honest.
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On September 21 2017 00:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 00:02 IyMoon wrote:On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials. We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it. He probably had a landline that they tapped as well.
If I recall correctly the story that Kellyanne went with was that the NSA had tapped his microwave. I'm not entirely sure how we got to that point but a few months later that's what I remember.
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On September 21 2017 00:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I expected more to be honest.
Well depends on what you classify as useful spending / helpful to R&D and other such projects. We could look at the budget breakdowns if you have fondness for sifting through hundreds of pages of details. But I'm not in the mood for the necro right now since it was obviously made with the intent to troll.
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It's a little hard to take this love of R&D too seriously coming from the loudest voice against brain drain to the US and giving foreign doctoral students right to work in the US.
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I'm impressed that the GOP has managed to come up with an even worse bill than the last one. Though that is likely because the Koch brothers have said they will cut off funding if the GOP doesn't pass a repeal and tax reform.
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Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.
The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.
The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.
The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
A spokesman for Manafort declined to comment.
Manafort has previously denied financial wrongdoing regarding his Ukraine-related payments, his bank accounts in offshore tax shelters, and his various real estate transactions over the years.
ustice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.
Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011.
But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring.
The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.
Mueller's office has subpoenaed reams of financial records from Manafort, in addition to the documents agents seized during the search, according to sources.
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Investigators also have obtained Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who promised to provide negative information on Hillary Clinton, the sources said.
Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.
The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.
Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.
The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.
Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.
But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made.
Source
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On September 21 2017 01:16 LegalLord wrote:Well depends on what you classify as useful spending / helpful to R&D and other such projects. We could look at the budget breakdowns if you have fondness for sifting through hundreds of pages of details. But I'm not in the mood for the necro right now since it was obviously made with the intent to troll.
I was more responding to the healthcare bill Stealth posted than to the military thing. But if you want, we could tackle this. I've got time from watching autocad tutorials.
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On September 21 2017 01:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.
The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.
The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.
The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
A spokesman for Manafort declined to comment.
Manafort has previously denied financial wrongdoing regarding his Ukraine-related payments, his bank accounts in offshore tax shelters, and his various real estate transactions over the years.
ustice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.
Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011.
But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring.
The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.
Mueller's office has subpoenaed reams of financial records from Manafort, in addition to the documents agents seized during the search, according to sources.
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Investigators also have obtained Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who promised to provide negative information on Hillary Clinton, the sources said.
Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.
The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.
Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.
The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.
Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.
But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made. Source
I wish they had spent this much time going into devos' background before confirming her to head the Ed Dept.
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On September 21 2017 01:48 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 01:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.
The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.
The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.
The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
A spokesman for Manafort declined to comment.
Manafort has previously denied financial wrongdoing regarding his Ukraine-related payments, his bank accounts in offshore tax shelters, and his various real estate transactions over the years.
ustice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.
Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011.
But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring.
The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.
Mueller's office has subpoenaed reams of financial records from Manafort, in addition to the documents agents seized during the search, according to sources.
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Investigators also have obtained Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who promised to provide negative information on Hillary Clinton, the sources said.
Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.
The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.
Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.
The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.
Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.
But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made. Source I wish they had spent this much time going into devos' background before confirming her to head the Ed Dept.
They put up a decent fight over Devos, the problem is that literally nothing disqualifying they found on her was going to impact the party line vote.
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On September 21 2017 01:48 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 01:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.
The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.
The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.
The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.
FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.
A spokesman for Manafort declined to comment.
Manafort has previously denied financial wrongdoing regarding his Ukraine-related payments, his bank accounts in offshore tax shelters, and his various real estate transactions over the years.
ustice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.
Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011.
But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring.
The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.
Mueller's office has subpoenaed reams of financial records from Manafort, in addition to the documents agents seized during the search, according to sources.
'
Investigators also have obtained Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who promised to provide negative information on Hillary Clinton, the sources said.
Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.
The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.
Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.
The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.
Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.
But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made. Source I wish they had spent this much time going into devos' background before confirming her to head the Ed Dept.
We knew DeVos completely shit background, we all saw her screw up the most basic of questions during her hearing.
Republicans didn't give a shit because they don't care about education.
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I think the multitude conflicts of interest should have disqualified her right off the bat but like KwarK and Gors said, party line.
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On September 21 2017 01:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I think the multitude conflicts of interest should have disqualified her right off the bat but like KwarK and Gors said, party line.
If they had required 60 votes, she never would have been confirmed. But because the senate lowered the threshold back when the GOP was holding up judicial nominations, they took away one of their most powerful checks against the president filling cabinet positions with unqualified shills. The same thing with the Supreme Court nominees. Congress has forgotten that those checks were put in place to hold the president back, not congress.
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interesting lack of outrage on the latest statue news. i mentioned last week that actual vandalism to these statues happens all the time and doesn't make news. here it is happening. here's.... no outrage. wish i could say this was surprising. hopefully i'm just jumping the gun here, it was only a day ago.
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On September 21 2017 01:59 brian wrote:
interesting lack of outrage on the latest statue news. i mentioned last week that actual vandalism to these statues happens all the time and doesn't make news. here it is happening. here's.... no outrage. wish i could say this was surprising. hopefully i'm just jumping the gun here, it was only a day ago.
The Lincoln one? It happened, its wrong. the perpetrator is being prosecuted. Not much to talk about.
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you can say as much about anything that happens, and yet there was still outrage last week when a protestor didn't vandalize a statue.
protestor didn't vandalize statue. nothing happened. plenty to talk about.
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On September 21 2017 02:05 brian wrote:
you can say as much about anything that happens, and yet there was still outrage last week when a protestor didn't vandalize a statue.
protestor didn't vandalize statue. nothing happened. plenty to talk about.
Because people disagreed on that one. conflicting views is what leads to discussion.
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On September 21 2017 02:07 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 02:05 brian wrote:
you can say as much about anything that happens, and yet there was still outrage last week when a protestor didn't vandalize a statue.
protestor didn't vandalize statue. nothing happened. plenty to talk about. Because people disagreed on that one. conflicting views is what leads to discussion.
I think that was brian's point. People care about these statues a lot less than they pretend to.
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