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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9003 Posts
September 20 2017 18:15 GMT
#175681
On September 21 2017 02:47 KwarK wrote:
yeah, I think the folks in Africa already know that white folks come to their countries with the expectation of extracting wealth for themselves

But thanks anyway Donald. I'm sure you inspired them.

I could get really...ignorant about this tweet. So much...there's so much! The urge to fucking destroy him in this is powerful but I'll walk away. I'll leave it for #blacktwitter.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 18:24:18
September 20 2017 18:21 GMT
#175682


I like that he is straight up arguing with NPR about the bill and what it means.

On September 21 2017 03:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 03:10 Plansix wrote:
On September 21 2017 03:07 IyMoon wrote:
On September 21 2017 03:05 Plansix wrote:
On September 21 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 21 2017 02:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 21 2017 02:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


can someone help me understand the difference?

They are the same person. Cassidy lied when he said the governor wasn't against it.

This is critically important because McCain has said he won’t vote for a bill that the Governor doesn’t support.


McCain is also besties with Grham... I really don't think he will be voting no on this one

That is the wild card. My take is that McCain will be a yes right up until he is the deciding vote, then it will become a No. He will support his buddy right up until there is a chance it will become law. But until then, he will do everything in his power to force other senators to vote no on the bill so he doesn’t have to.

I like to think McCain cares more about the fact that this bill would be terrible for the country then upsetting his friend over a bill no one wants in the first place.


I do too. He has let me down before, though. But in this case, he I think he will pull his support at the end if he has to. But only if forced.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 18:28 GMT
#175683
In announcing Sept. 6 that it had found $100,000 in ad buys from “inauthentic” accounts “likely operated out of Russia” during the 2016 campaign, Facebook said that the “vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the US presidential election, voting or a particular candidate.”

It took the Daily Beast less than a month to find what it believes to be a Russia-linked account that did, fact, explicitly promote then-GOP candidate Donald Trump.

The news website Tuesday surfaced the existence of a Facebook group called “Being Patriotic,” which the Daily Beast said bears many of the trademarks of other shady Facebook accounts that are believed to have had Russia ties. “Being Patriotic” went dark around the time Facebook deleted accounts linked to a Russian troll farm, according to the Daily Beast. The social media giant would not confirm to the Daily Beast the group’s Russian origins, but it did not challenge the Beast’s suggestions either.

“Being Patriotic” pushed at least four pro-Trump or anti-Hillary Clinton rallies, according to the Daily Beast, including a flash mob that was promoted to occur simultaneously in 17 different Florida locations. In at least a few cases, those events came to fruition, according to the Beast report, and resulted in known Trump activists showing up and promoting the events on their own social media pages.

Facebook’s disclosure of the inauthentic accounts appears to only be the tip of the iceberg of what sort of activity those accounts were involved in, per the Daily Beast:

After The Daily Beast found known Russian accounts that used Facebook’s Events tool to promote rallies inside the United States, the company said that it was not well positioned to determine “if something like coordination occurred” between the Trump campaign and Russia — something investigators and security researchers doubt because of the social network’s massive trove of information on its customers.

But the discovery of the “Being Patriotic” rallies suggests that the fraudulent activity on Facebook did indeed involve messaging on behalf of Trump, did prompt at least some Americans to rally on Trump’s behalf, and did result in the Trump campaign volunteers subsequently sharing material from those events.


Russia’s use of Facebook in its alleged campaign to interfere with the 2016 election has come under major scrutiny since the disclosure of the inauthentic accounts. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe has reportedly issued a search warrant to learn more about the activity on the site, and the Senate Intelligence Committee has said it would like Facebook to testify publicly about what happened — a hearing chairman Richard Burr (R-NC) would like to host as early as next month.

The Facebook page the Daily Beast identified Wednesday promoted flash mob events in Florida, a key swing state, in August 2016. Two of the planned locations — Fort Lauderdale and Coral Springs — were sites of gatherings by Trump fans, according to photos and videos posted by Dolly Trevino Rump, the Trump campaign’s chairwoman for Broward County. Rump did not respond to the Daily Beast’s inquiries.

Other people who were listed as contacts on Being Patriotic’s events told the Daily Beast they remembered vaguely being contacted by the group to promote the rallies. Betty Triguera, listed as a coordinator on a Sarasota event page, said she heard about the event from Being Patriotic’s Twitter account — which has also been shut down, according to the Daily Beast. Jim Frische, whose name was attached to a Clearwater event page, remembered only vague details of being contacted about the event, and that it ended up being “a dozen or so people out on the street corner.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9003 Posts
September 20 2017 18:31 GMT
#175684
On September 21 2017 02:37 zlefin wrote:
let me know if you find anything interesting in those budgets covering the marginal utility of various spending programs; that's what i'd like to know about.


I found this in the weapon systems part of the budget. It starts immediately with a breakdown of where the money is going and then it gets into details. It's 87 pages so it shouldn't take too long to go through it.
Program Acquisition Costs by Weapons System
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 18:41 GMT
#175685
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 20 2017 18:49 GMT
#175686
On September 21 2017 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/910563665434341376

In other words, keep the mandate to buy their product around, and the generous subsidies that go into their coffers, or you'll be opposed.

It's a nice reminder that big business is in bed with the Democrats on this, just as much or to a greater extent than the Republicans.

The good news is I don't see this passing. Paul won't sign on for now because it's not repeal, it's reform. The goodie basket for the moderates isn't enough to tempt them. A bigger goodie basket would make the pricing ridiculous. It's basically choo-choo towards single payer.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 18:52:38
September 20 2017 18:51 GMT
#175687
Remember fired google guy? He is coming with a very hot and fast take here :


LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 20 2017 18:52 GMT
#175688
This guy needs to shut up for his own good.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 20 2017 18:53 GMT
#175689
God bless American Celebrity Culture, where Celebrity in itself is now an occupation instead of a descriptor.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 18:55 GMT
#175690
On September 21 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/910563665434341376

In other words, keep the mandate to buy their product around, and the generous subsidies that go into their coffers, or you'll be opposed.

It's a nice reminder that big business is in bed with the Democrats on this, just as much or to a greater extent than the Republicans.

The good news is I don't see this passing. Paul won't sign on for now because it's not repeal, it's reform. The goodie basket for the moderates isn't enough to tempt them. A bigger goodie basket would make the pricing ridiculous. It's basically choo-choo towards single payer.

The bill is shit, continues to be shit and won’t stop being shit until people grow up a realize the free market isn’t going to control these costs and never will.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
September 20 2017 18:57 GMT
#175691
On September 21 2017 03:52 LegalLord wrote:
This guy needs to shut up for his own good.


What is a joke for 500
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 20 2017 18:58 GMT
#175692
On September 21 2017 03:57 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 03:52 LegalLord wrote:
This guy needs to shut up for his own good.


What is a joke for 500

Yes, James Damore is.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
September 20 2017 18:59 GMT
#175693
On September 21 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/910563665434341376

In other words, keep the mandate to buy their product around, and the generous subsidies that go into their coffers, or you'll be opposed.

It's a nice reminder that big business is in bed with the Democrats on this, just as much or to a greater extent than the Republicans.

The good news is I don't see this passing. Paul won't sign on for now because it's not repeal, it's reform. The goodie basket for the moderates isn't enough to tempt them. A bigger goodie basket would make the pricing ridiculous. It's basically choo-choo towards single payer.

I was wondering if you support this bill or not (sounds like not). I know xDaunt is pro-UHC but I wasn't sure what you'd think of it.

They're trying to rush it out before much polling could happen, but does anyone like this bill? Is anyone in the thread pro-Graham-Cassidy?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 19:00 GMT
#175694
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 19:01 GMT
#175695
On September 21 2017 03:51 Nevuk wrote:
Remember fired google guy? He is coming with a very hot and fast take here :
https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/910541338961108993

https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/910547650407055360

This fake nerd needs to look into his D&D history and realize that they avoided using the term “grand wizard” and used other titles. Like Elder Wizard. Grand Magus. High Wizard. Supreme Warlock.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9003 Posts
September 20 2017 19:06 GMT
#175696
On September 21 2017 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/910578078727929856

Looks like Hyten just made trump's shitlist for saying the opposite of what he tweeted.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 20 2017 19:06 GMT
#175697
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 20 2017 19:12 GMT
#175698
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 19:13 GMT
#175699
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 20 2017 19:18 GMT
#175700
The letters "CFPB" may not be much more than alphabet soup to your average student loan borrower. They stand for Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new-ish federal agency — created in 2011 — with a unique mission and a big effect on student lenders and for-profit colleges accused of defrauding or otherwise mistreating Americans.

But the U.S. Education Department has just called a halt to the enforcement collaboration between itself and CFPB. This move leaves 44 million student loan borrowers, owing $1.4 trillion in debt, with potentially less, or at least less-coordinated, oversight of their rights.

To understand why, let's look at how the CFPB got here, and how it does its work.

The Dodd-Frank Act, passed as part of the federal response to the 2007-08 mortgage crisis, established the CFPB to enforce consumer finance law.

Among its tasks, the bureau responds to consumer complaints about loans, mortgages and other financial products. To date, it has collected 20,000 complaints. Those gripes are key to the bureau's broader work, says Seth Frotman, CFPB's student loan ombudsman.

"We always encourage people to complain to us when they run into trouble with their student loan company," Frotman says. "Not only on behalf of yourself, but if you are encountering a situation, it's likely that somebody else is."

Complaints help the CFPB spot patterns that may be "systemic," he adds. The agency can launch investigations and sue companies for violating the law. It can also "supervise" a company, meaning CFPB staffers come on-site to ensure compliance.

This enforcement has helped get money back in the pockets of borrowers. In 2015, people who had attended the for-profit Corinthian Colleges got $480 million of student loans erased.



http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/09/20/551857172/the-department-of-education-cuts-off-a-student-loan-watchdog
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
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