EPTto that end, even though there's no opponent, where are the cries of righteous indignation for the W?
our boy Linc is immortalized up there on his 20-feet-high chair being desecrated and the truth is it's just not a big deal.
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brian
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to that end, even though there's no opponent, where are the cries of righteous indignation for the W? our boy Linc is immortalized up there on his 20-feet-high chair being desecrated and the truth is it's just not a big deal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Again. I'm impressed that they are going to leave this up to the states. Because leaving them in charge of healthcare has gone so well for the federal government in the past. Do they really want to run on this nightmare bill in 2018? The process alone is a dumpster fire. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22530 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:13 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/910209191838486528 Again. I'm impressed that they are going to leave this up to the states. Because leaving them in charge of healthcare has gone so well for the federal government in the past. Do they really want to run on this nightmare bill in 2018? The process alone is a dumpster fire. Leaving it to the states is the only chance they have a passing anything. The Republicans are split in 2 so you need a plan that covers both sides despite being contradictory. It absolves Congress of responsibility (something this Republican Congress loves). It lets moderate states protect their residents. It lets right leaning states fuck over their residents. Everybody wins. Doubt it will pass tho. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote: So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials. Remind me, did Trump say "somebody tapped Trump Tower at some point?" Or did he give a specific time frame? It's actually insane to me that the right is looking at this story as some kind of win. Here, I'll go find Trump's exact wording: "Terrible! Just found out Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" Now the Manafort story appears to be that at one point early in 2016, and then again later in 2016 both before and after the election, Paul Manafort was wire tapped as part of an investigation into a whole host of financial and national security-related crimes for which he is expected to be indicted shortly. Tell me, what part of that sounds like Obama wire tapping Trump shortly before the election and finding nothing? If Trump was referring to this incident his summary is so atrocious and blatantly false on several points that a universal skewering by fact checkers would still be 100% in order. Of course it's prett dumb to think this is what he was referring to, considering he's had 6 months to explain what the fuck he was talking about and hasn't done so. Here's the most charitable interpretation I can imagine for Trump's tweet. It's conceivable that at some point in March Trump was talking to some national security or intelligence official, and it came up that the FBI has recordings of phone calls between himself and Manafort, possibly with some assurance that there was nothing incriminating about him in those calls. Then Trump proceeded to assume that 1) the recordings were part of an investigation targetting him, and 2) that Obama had ordered it personally, and rather than confirm that with anyone in the government that works for him, he just took to Twitter instead. It's still wrong, because they did find stuff, Obama didn't order it, and it wasn't "his" wire that was tapped. What he tweeted makes it sound like Obama ordered an extralegal wiretap to try to get some juicy campaign info - either a juicy scandal to leak to the press, or some campaign strategy to leak to Hillary's team. That'd be a huge deal if true. But it's not, and Trump was appropriately lampooned for the fib. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 21 2017 01:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I was more responding to the healthcare bill Stealth posted than to the military thing. But if you want, we could tackle this. I've got time from watching autocad tutorials. Gotta love them one liners in an ambiguous context  .I have a busy day today, not really conducive to reading a couple thousand pages of budgets. But if I'm in the mood after work I'll get back to it. At the very least it seems like an interesting exercise to go line by line and see what about the military is and isn't good for us. | ||
KwarK
United States44245 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:24 LegalLord wrote: Gotta love them one liners in an ambiguous context .I have a busy day today, not really conducive to reading a couple thousand pages of budgets. But if I'm in the mood after work I'll get back to it. At the very least it seems like an interesting exercise to go line by line and see what about the military is and isn't good for us. Good is a very low bar to set. If money had no opportunity cost then buying a Bugatti would be good, after all, +1 Bugatti. Efficient use of funding might be a better measure. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On September 21 2017 02:24 LegalLord wrote: Gotta love them one liners in an ambiguous context .I have a busy day today, not really conducive to reading a couple thousand pages of budgets. But if I'm in the mood after work I'll get back to it. At the very least it seems like an interesting exercise to go line by line and see what about the military is and isn't good for us. Hahaha, agreed! As I was typing someone beat me to it and I didn't bother to go back and edit that. My fault. I'll take a look at the link and skim through it in a bit and make some notes. Maybe over the weekend as I watch my football teams suck I'll read it more in depth. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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zlefin
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On September 21 2017 01:32 Plansix wrote: I'm impressed that the GOP has managed to come up with an even worse bill than the last one. Though that is likely because the Koch brothers have said they will cut off funding if the GOP doesn't pass a repeal and tax reform. I dunno, that seems like an empty threat. What are the Koch brothers really going to do, donate to the democrats instead? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:39 Nevuk wrote: I dunno, that seems like an empty threat. What are the Koch brothers really going to do, donate to the democrats instead? Here is the thing, they don’t need to cut off funding to all the GOP, just some of them. That is enough to keep the fear alive. | ||
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KwarK
United States44245 Posts
But thanks anyway Donald. I'm sure you inspired them. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/KellieMeyerNews/status/910526625707646977 can someone help me understand the difference? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22530 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:50 ticklishmusic wrote: can someone help me understand the difference? They are the same person. Cassidy lied when he said the governor wasn't against it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 21 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote: They are the same person. Cassidy lied when he said the governor wasn't against it. This is critically important because McCain has said he won’t vote for a bill that the Governor doesn’t support. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On September 21 2017 03:05 Plansix wrote: This is critically important because McCain has said he won’t vote for a bill that the Governor doesn’t support. McCain is also besties with Grham... I really don't think he will be voting no on this one | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 21 2017 00:07 Danglars wrote: Let's hope they're forthcoming in what I imagine will be Congressional inquiries. Congress is not at all on board with Trump's tweet. And Congress may not want the public to know why exactly the FBI found probable cause to believe Manafort was acting as an agent of a foreign power. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 21 2017 03:07 IyMoon wrote: McCain is also besties with Grham... I really don't think he will be voting no on this one That is the wild card. My take is that McCain will be a yes right up until he is the deciding vote, then it will become a No. He will support his buddy right up until there is a chance it will become law. But until then, he will do everything in his power to force other senators to vote no on the bill so he doesn’t have to. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22530 Posts
On September 21 2017 03:10 Plansix wrote: That is the wild card. My take is that McCain will be a yes right up until he is the deciding vote, then it will become a No. He will support his buddy right up until there is a chance it will become law. But until then, he will do everything in his power to force other senators to vote no on the bill so he doesn’t have to. I like to think McCain cares more about the fact that this bill would be terrible for the country then upsetting his friend over a bill no one wants in the first place. | ||
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