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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 14:50 GMT
#175621


This is not dominanting the headlines, which on its own is pretty wild. For a congress that rails against government waste, they don't seem to know what to do with blantent government waste.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18864 Posts
September 20 2017 14:53 GMT
#175622
At least the hypocrisy underlying "fiscal responsibility" becomes more and more stark each day.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 20 2017 14:58 GMT
#175623
When you know you have to work hard to deal with the bullshit your boss just told the world at the UN

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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 20 2017 14:58 GMT
#175624
There's enough broken precedent and scummy behavior to go around. I dunno why something so mediocre would dominate headlines in a world where "rich asshole wastes other people's money on private jet" is so commonplace as to be without meaning.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 20 2017 14:59 GMT
#175625
On September 20 2017 23:58 LegalLord wrote:
There's enough broken precedent and scummy behavior to go around. I dunno why something so mediocre would dominate headlines in a world where "rich asshole wastes other people's money on private jet" is so commonplace as to be without meaning.


Maybe because republicans always bitch about waste?
Something witty
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 20 2017 15:00 GMT
#175626
On September 20 2017 23:59 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 23:58 LegalLord wrote:
There's enough broken precedent and scummy behavior to go around. I dunno why something so mediocre would dominate headlines in a world where "rich asshole wastes other people's money on private jet" is so commonplace as to be without meaning.


Maybe because republicans always bitch about waste?

BREAKING NEWS: hypocrisy in Congress?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 20 2017 15:01 GMT
#175627
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 15:02 GMT
#175628
On September 20 2017 23:59 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 23:58 LegalLord wrote:
There's enough broken precedent and scummy behavior to go around. I dunno why something so mediocre would dominate headlines in a world where "rich asshole wastes other people's money on private jet" is so commonplace as to be without meaning.


Maybe because republicans always bitch about waste?

And any time before now all of congress would have been consumed by that abuse of taxpayer funds. But they are maxed out by the reality TV president.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 20 2017 15:02 GMT
#175629
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.


We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it.
Something witty
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 20 2017 15:03 GMT
#175630
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.

this debate was already covered thoroughly yesterday; the conclusion being that no, trump was not correct; and was and does remain entirely in the wrong in what he actually said.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 15:04 GMT
#175631
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.

They wouldn’t have wire tapped all of Trump tower even if they were tapping his phone. And I’m not sure why the FBI needs to explain itself to Trump when that issue has already been raised by congress and they were satisfied with the response.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 20 2017 15:07 GMT
#175632
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.

Let's hope they're forthcoming in what I imagine will be Congressional inquiries.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#175633
WASHINGTON — A student from the Kyrgyz Republic was arrested Monday for causing what National Park officials called permanent damage to the Lincoln Memorial.

A U.S. Park Police officer spotted the man using a penny to carve the letters “HYPT MAEK” into one of the pillars on the north side of the memorial.

Abraham Lincoln, the nation’s 16th president, is depicted on the U.S. penny.

Nurtilek Bakirov, 21, was charged with felony destruction of property. He could face up to 10 years in prison plus a fine of $25,000.

Bakirov made his first appearance D.C. Superior Court on Tuesday and was released on his on recognizance, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office said.

A judge has ordered Bakirov to stay away from the memorial.

He is expected back in court for a hearing Nov. 1.

“This does represent permanent damage to the historic fabric of the memorial. That is troubling and presents its own challenges,” said Justine Bello, architectural conservator for National Mall and Memorial Parks.


Source

So I know we've had disagreements on monuments, but we can agree this time it's not okay right?
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 20 2017 15:17 GMT
#175634
On September 21 2017 00:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — A student from the Kyrgyz Republic was arrested Monday for causing what National Park officials called permanent damage to the Lincoln Memorial.

A U.S. Park Police officer spotted the man using a penny to carve the letters “HYPT MAEK” into one of the pillars on the north side of the memorial.

Abraham Lincoln, the nation’s 16th president, is depicted on the U.S. penny.

Nurtilek Bakirov, 21, was charged with felony destruction of property. He could face up to 10 years in prison plus a fine of $25,000.

Bakirov made his first appearance D.C. Superior Court on Tuesday and was released on his on recognizance, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office said.

A judge has ordered Bakirov to stay away from the memorial.

He is expected back in court for a hearing Nov. 1.

“This does represent permanent damage to the historic fabric of the memorial. That is troubling and presents its own challenges,” said Justine Bello, architectural conservator for National Mall and Memorial Parks.


Source

So I know we've had disagreements on monuments, but we can agree this time it's not okay right?


I am pretty sure nobody is going to think this is okay.
I wonder if they throw the book at him for fucking with Lincoln
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 15:18 GMT
#175635
On September 21 2017 00:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — A student from the Kyrgyz Republic was arrested Monday for causing what National Park officials called permanent damage to the Lincoln Memorial.

A U.S. Park Police officer spotted the man using a penny to carve the letters “HYPT MAEK” into one of the pillars on the north side of the memorial.

Abraham Lincoln, the nation’s 16th president, is depicted on the U.S. penny.

Nurtilek Bakirov, 21, was charged with felony destruction of property. He could face up to 10 years in prison plus a fine of $25,000.

Bakirov made his first appearance D.C. Superior Court on Tuesday and was released on his on recognizance, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office said.

A judge has ordered Bakirov to stay away from the memorial.

He is expected back in court for a hearing Nov. 1.

“This does represent permanent damage to the historic fabric of the memorial. That is troubling and presents its own challenges,” said Justine Bello, architectural conservator for National Mall and Memorial Parks.


Source

So I know we've had disagreements on monuments, but we can agree this time it's not okay right?

I need to know more about his motive and how much thought he put into the entire thing. And if he told anyone his master plan.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 20 2017 15:21 GMT
#175636
On September 21 2017 00:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — A student from the Kyrgyz Republic was arrested Monday for causing what National Park officials called permanent damage to the Lincoln Memorial.

A U.S. Park Police officer spotted the man using a penny to carve the letters “HYPT MAEK” into one of the pillars on the north side of the memorial.

Abraham Lincoln, the nation’s 16th president, is depicted on the U.S. penny.

Nurtilek Bakirov, 21, was charged with felony destruction of property. He could face up to 10 years in prison plus a fine of $25,000.

Bakirov made his first appearance D.C. Superior Court on Tuesday and was released on his on recognizance, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office said.

A judge has ordered Bakirov to stay away from the memorial.

He is expected back in court for a hearing Nov. 1.

“This does represent permanent damage to the historic fabric of the memorial. That is troubling and presents its own challenges,” said Justine Bello, architectural conservator for National Mall and Memorial Parks.


Source

So I know we've had disagreements on monuments, but we can agree this time it's not okay right?

Well it wasn't ok the other times so it's definitely not ok now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 20 2017 15:22 GMT
#175637
On September 21 2017 00:02 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.


We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it.

He probably had a landline that they tapped as well.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22435 Posts
September 20 2017 15:23 GMT
#175638
On September 21 2017 00:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 00:02 IyMoon wrote:
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.


We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it.

He probably had a landline that they tapped as well.

In which case they still hadn't wiretapped any of Trumps phones in Trump Tower.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 15:26 GMT
#175639
On September 21 2017 00:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 00:02 IyMoon wrote:
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.


We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it.

He probably had a landline that they tapped as well.

Yes, but that still would not be tapping the structure that is Trump tower. They would have wired tapped one person in Trump tower. In the world if denials, they did not lie and likely told congress exactly who they had wire taps on.

Also, wire taps cannot happen without due process. Judges have to approve them. Trump can whine about it all he wants, but his staff isn’t immune to the standard routes of investigation.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24052 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 15:35:20
September 20 2017 15:33 GMT
#175640
On September 21 2017 00:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2017 00:22 xDaunt wrote:
On September 21 2017 00:02 IyMoon wrote:
On September 21 2017 00:01 xDaunt wrote:
So apparently Manafort has lived at Trump Tower since 2006. Yeah, it's looking more and more like Trump was correct when he tweeted that Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the FBI and intelligence community has some explaining to do regarding its denials.


We tapped a guys cell phone and can't control where he lives.... Seems like that just explained it.

He probably had a landline that they tapped as well.

In which case they still hadn't wiretapped any of Trumps phones in Trump Tower.


Trying to credit or dispute the accuracy of Trump's tweet is a fool's errand. Trump had no idea what he was talking about, so he can't really be wrong or right since he never really knew what he was accusing who of in the first place.

"Obama" could have been anyone in the government, "my wires in trump tower" could have been literally any conversation in any building he's ever owned or any call he's ever made from a tower he was in to anyone they listened to any time after he hinted at running for president (in the 80's).

EDIT: Oh and of course Trump has no idea what McCarthyism was or how what happened to him would be comparable in any way.

There's a story about a boy crying wolf, I don't remember the boy ending up rubbing in everyone's face how this particular time he was telling the truth...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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