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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
September 20 2017 08:22 GMT
#175601
That would be related to their disgust- disgust towards the Other.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 09:40 GMT
#175602
NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is using money donated to his re-election campaign and the Republican National Committee to pay for his lawyers in the probe of alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

Following Reuters exclusive report on Tuesday, CNN reported that the Republican National Committee paid in August more than $230,000 to cover some of Trump’s legal fees related to the probe.

RNC spokesperson Cassie Smedile confirmed to Reuters that Trump’s lead lawyer, John Dowd, received $100,000 from the RNC and that the RNC also paid $131,250 to the Constitutional Litigation and Advocacy Group, the law firm where Jay Sekulow, another of Trump’s lawyers, is a partner.

The RNC is scheduled to disclose its August spending on Wednesday. The Trump campaign is due for a disclosure on Oct. 15.

The U.S. Federal Election Commission allows the use of private campaign funds to pay legal bills arising from being a candidate or elected official.

While previous presidential campaigns have used these funds to pay for routine legal matters such as ballot access disputes and compliance requirements, Trump would be the first U.S. president in the modern campaign finance era to use such funds to cover the costs of responding to a criminal probe, said election law experts.

Smedile said the RNC payments to Trump’s lawyers were ”from a pre-existing legal proceedings account and do not reduce by a dime the resources we can put towards our political work.”

It was not clear how Trump’s legal costs related to the Russia probe would be allocated between the campaign and the RNC, one of the sources said.

Dowd declined to say how the president’s legal bills were being paid, adding: “That’s none of your business.”

Special counsel Robert Mueller is looking at possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election, and whether Trump may have obstructed justice by firing Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey, among other actions.

Moscow has denied meddling in the U.S. election, and Trump has denied any collusion or obstruction.

Reuters could not determine how large a legal bill Trump has incurred to date from his lawyers on the Mueller investigation. Trump hired his longtime New York lawyer Marc Kasowitz to head his defense team in May, but Kasowitz stepped down in July, with Dowd taking over the lead role, according to people familiar with the situation.

Special White House counsel Ty Cobb, who is a salaried staff member, is also working on the matter.

The Trump campaign has paid law firm Jones Day almost $4 million, according to campaign filings, mostly for routine campaign legal expenses like ballot access disputes, vendor contracts, human resources and compliance with state and federal laws. It has also responded to Russia-related inquiries on behalf of the campaign by, for example, providing documents to Congress.

The reason Trump is able to tap into his campaign funds for legal expenses is because for the past decade, presidential candidates have abandoned public financing for their campaigns. Instead, they have built networks that collect millions of dollars from private donors, a move that comes with less restrictions on how the money is spent.

Barack Obama in 2008 was the first to eschew public financing for his campaign, and all the major-party candidates followed suit in 2012 and 2016, campaign filings show.

Trump also filed for reelection the day he took office in January, two years earlier than any previous president, ensuring a fund of millions in campaign cash would remain at his disposal.

According to its most recent filing to the Federal Election Commission, Donald J. Trump for President Inc had almost $12 million on hand by the end of June, an increase of over $4 million since January.

Adav Noti, a senior director at the Campaign Legal Center, a watchdog group that describes itself as nonpartisan, said public campaign funds - as opposed to the private funds Trump has raised - cannot generally be used for expenses arising from criminal investigations, or for any expenses that arise after the campaign is over.

President Bill Clinton, who ran two publicly funded campaigns, had supporters start legal defense funds and used his own insurance to help pay legal bills during the Whitewater investigation. He still wound up with millions of dollars in personal debt which he paid off through speaking fees he earned once he left office.

Hillary Clinton, who ran a privately funded campaign, paid millions to campaign lawyers at Perkins Coie to handle routine legal matters, according to campaign filings. Her campaign made no payments to the Washington law firm Williams & Connolly, which represented her in the probes of her use of a private email server when she was U.S. Secretary of State.

Her lawyer, David Kendall of Williams & Connolly, declined to comment on how he was paid.

Campaigns also have discretion to pay legal fees for others besides the president.

According to a July filing, the Trump campaign paid $50,000 to the law firm of Alan Futerfas, who is representing Donald Trump Jr. Futerfas did not respond for requests for comment.

A number of other current and former Trump staffers have also recently hired lawyers.


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
September 20 2017 12:29 GMT
#175603
After the revelation that a cybersecurity breach at the international credit reporting agency Equifax exposed personal information of 143 million people, the company has confirmed an additional security incident with a payroll-related service in the months prior. It says the two are unrelated.

Equifax is already struggling to regain public trust after it waited at least a month to disclose to consumers that the cyberattack potentially impacted their personal information, such as names, Social Security numbers, birth dates, addresses and, in some cases, driver's license numbers and credit card information.

"Earlier this year, during the 2016 tax season, Equifax experienced a security incident involving a payroll-related service," an Equifax spokesperson told NPR. "The incident was reported to customers, affected individuals and regulators. This incident was also covered in the media."

The company spokesperson disputes a Bloomberg report released Monday, where an unnamed source "said the breaches involved the same intruders." The company adds that the same security company, Mandiant, "has investigated both events and found no evidence that these two separate events or the attackers were related."

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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5585 Posts
September 20 2017 12:44 GMT
#175604
On September 20 2017 16:28 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 08:29 Belisarius wrote:
On September 20 2017 08:09 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 20 2017 07:44 Danglars wrote:
On September 20 2017 07:06 Nevuk wrote:

Pretty clickbait title, but a thought-provoking story. The Washington Post already filed a story in protest.




I've seen his perspective validated in my own observations as well. The media likes talking about filters on news, and here's what should be the "ultimate filter" of sorts. But read the article first if you want to really understand his logic and debate the topic.

For a woman who sees abortion and contraceptive as "what I get to do with my own body" the fact that someone disagrees with them is utterly fucked up to that woman. Many women I know feel legitimately shaken by the fact that some men would deny them freedom over their own body. It's not a comparable situation at all.

That debate seems kind of side-on to the actual issue. Dating is not the problem. Interaction in general is the problem.

It makes plenty of sense for superlibs to avoid dating supercons. It's okay to look at each other at the beginning of a relationship, see features or views that are fundamentally incompatible, and decide to call it off because the differences would be too hard to work through.

The problem is that there's a fine line between not dating someone because you're pretty sure you wouldn't be happy with them, and not dating someone because you view them as a monster or an idiot.

It's reasonable for libs to not date cons. What's problematic is when libs won't even be friends with cons, and vice-versa.

Since when do people use OkCupid or Tinder to find friends?

This was some spin about how conservatives being "discriminated against" in the dating world led to them voting for Trump. Not how they can't make friends, for which I'd say [citation needed], because neither the Federalist article nor the WaPo response mention friendship anywhere.

Nonetheless, it's true that self-identified liberals and Democrats are more prone to disconnecting people over politics, dumping friends, with Democratic women being the most likely.

http://fortune.com/2016/12/19/social-media-election/
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 12:52:58
September 20 2017 12:49 GMT
#175605
That's a pretty firm statement drawn from data that needs far more context than provided in the article; who is to say that liberals aren't inclined to "connect" more in the first place or that conservatives naturally trend towards smaller digital social networks given ideological preference for family and immediate community? Bubbles exist offline, ya know, and an extremely small poll following one of the most divisive elections in US history is not really strong enough to speak categorically with regards to its subjects.

Edit: PRRI is an extremely suspicious looking organization lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
September 20 2017 12:57 GMT
#175606
The letters "CFPB" may not be much more than alphabet soup to your average student loan borrower. They stand for Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new-ish federal agency — created in 2011 — with a unique mission. This "soup" packs a powerful punch for student lenders and for-profit colleges accused of defrauding or otherwise mistreating Americans.

But the U.S. Education Department has just called a halt to the enforcement collaboration that previously existed between itself and CFPB. This move leaves 44 million student loan borrowers, owing $1.4 trillion in debt, with potentially less, or at least less-coordinated, oversight of their rights.

To understand why, let's look at how the CFPB got here, and how it does its work.

The Dodd-Frank Act, passed as part of the federal response to the 2008 mortgage crisis, established the CFPB to enforce consumer financial law. The bureau responds to consumer complaints about loans, mortgages and other financial products. To date, it has collected 20,000 such complaints.

The CFPB gets individuals answers to their questions, typically within two weeks, and sometimes fixes their problems. And more, those gripes are key to the bureau's broader work, says Seth Frotman, CFPB's student loan ombudsman.

"We always encourage people to complain to us when they run into trouble with their student loan company," Frotman says. "Not only on behalf of yourself, but if you are encountering a situation, it's likely that somebody else is."

Complaints help the CFPB spot patterns that may be "systemic," he adds. In response, the agency launches investigations and sues companies for violating the law. They can also "supervise" a company, meaning CFPB staffers come on site to ensure compliance.

This enforcement has helped get money back in the pockets of borrowers. In 2015, people who had attended the for-profit Corinthian Colleges got $480 million of student loans erased.

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So glad I'm out of school.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 13:00:15
September 20 2017 12:59 GMT
#175607
DeVos is a piece of shit who is literally doing everything she can to protect the monied interests that gave her relevance.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17991 Posts
September 20 2017 13:02 GMT
#175608
On September 20 2017 21:44 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 16:28 Acrofales wrote:
On September 20 2017 08:29 Belisarius wrote:
On September 20 2017 08:09 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 20 2017 07:44 Danglars wrote:
On September 20 2017 07:06 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/910208620029034497

Pretty clickbait title, but a thought-provoking story. The Washington Post already filed a story in protest.

https://twitter.com/pegobry/status/910232553143062528
https://twitter.com/pegobry/status/910232790922342400

I've seen his perspective validated in my own observations as well. The media likes talking about filters on news, and here's what should be the "ultimate filter" of sorts. But read the article first if you want to really understand his logic and debate the topic.

For a woman who sees abortion and contraceptive as "what I get to do with my own body" the fact that someone disagrees with them is utterly fucked up to that woman. Many women I know feel legitimately shaken by the fact that some men would deny them freedom over their own body. It's not a comparable situation at all.

That debate seems kind of side-on to the actual issue. Dating is not the problem. Interaction in general is the problem.

It makes plenty of sense for superlibs to avoid dating supercons. It's okay to look at each other at the beginning of a relationship, see features or views that are fundamentally incompatible, and decide to call it off because the differences would be too hard to work through.

The problem is that there's a fine line between not dating someone because you're pretty sure you wouldn't be happy with them, and not dating someone because you view them as a monster or an idiot.

It's reasonable for libs to not date cons. What's problematic is when libs won't even be friends with cons, and vice-versa.

Since when do people use OkCupid or Tinder to find friends?

This was some spin about how conservatives being "discriminated against" in the dating world led to them voting for Trump. Not how they can't make friends, for which I'd say [citation needed], because neither the Federalist article nor the WaPo response mention friendship anywhere.

Nonetheless, it's true that self-identified liberals and Democrats are more prone to disconnecting people over politics, dumping friends, with Democratic women being the most likely.

http://fortune.com/2016/12/19/social-media-election/

That's an interesting study, but I don't think you can generalize it in the way you do. Firstly, it is quite narrowly about the last presidential election, which I don't think you can claim is the norm, and was in many ways quite polarizing.

Secondly, I'm not sure unfriending/following on social media is the same as not being actual friends anymore. In fact, the people who I am "friends" with on facebook is a very large superset of the people I am actually friends with, and my unfriending one or two of those would not really count as my not being friends "anymore" with them, because we were never really friends in the first place.

But I do agree this probably contributes to the online echo chamber effect... although it really doesn't help that "the right" has labeled all reputable journalistic outlets as fake news (NY Times, Guardian) and instead share shouty trashfrom Infowars and Breitbart. If I still actually looked at facebook, I would probably unfriend such people too.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
September 20 2017 13:02 GMT
#175609
On September 20 2017 21:59 farvacola wrote:
DeVos is a piece of shit who is literally doing everything she can to protect the monied interests that gave her relevance.

It's amazing the damage one person is intent on making before the end of the calendar and fiscal year. I'm glad Carson has no idea what HUD is or how it's ran, otherwise we'd really be screwed. I'm surprised at the lack of news coming from that one.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2017 13:07 GMT
#175610
The Arctic ice cap melted to hundreds of thousands of square miles below average this summer, according to data released late on Tuesday.

Climate change is pushing temperatures up most rapidly in the polar regions and left the extent of Arctic sea ice at 1.79m sq miles at the end of the summer melt season.

This is the time when it reaches its lowest area for the year, before starting to grow again as winter approaches. The 2017 minimum was 610,000 sqmiles below the 1981-2010 average and the eighth lowest year in the 38-year satellite record.

Scientists from the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) said the rate of ice loss this summer had been slowed by cool mid-summer weather over the central Arctic Ocean. The record minimum came in 2012, when the ice area fell to 483,000 square miles below the 2017 extent.

Ted Scambos at NSIDC said the Arctic sea ice had set a record for the smallest winter extent earlier in 2017 and was on track to be close to the 2012 record minimum until July. But a cloudy and cooler than normal August slowed the melting.

“Weather patterns in August saved the day,” Scambos said. The fast shrinking Arctic ice cap is increasingly thought to have major impacts on extreme weather patterns much further south, due to its influence on the jet stream. Floods, heatwaves and severe winters in Europe, Asia and North America have all been linked to the Arctic meltdown. “It’s bound to have an impact on global climate,” Scambos said.

The 2017 sea ice level fits with an overall steady decline over the decades, but one that varies from year to year, Scambos said. “It’s not going to be a staircase heading down to zero every year,” he said. “[But] the Arctic will continue to evolve towards less ice. There’s no dodging that.”

Rod Downie, head of polar programmes at WWF, said: “From space, the loss of Arctic sea ice is the clearest and most visible sign of climate change, and human beings are responsible for most of it. We are engineering our planet and its climate.”

“That’s not good for the people of the Arctic who depend upon sea ice for their traditional way of life and for people across the world who depend on a stable climate,” he said. The Arctic could be virtually free of ice in summer within people’s lifetimes, he warned, and called for more action on climate change by reducing carbon emissions.


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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 20 2017 13:43 GMT
#175611
On September 20 2017 16:45 Falling wrote:
I suspect where you fall on on the pro-life/choice divide would be a fairly significant issue in a close relationship. Like, it's hard for me to see a very good middle ground between "It's a woman's right" and "It's murdering babies." And if there is a middle ground, one wonders just how dearly they hold either of those positions really. I could see it as a very reasonable deal breaker.

Show nested quote +
Since when do people use OkCupid or Tinder to find friends?

There's this one guy I heard about who put something along the lines of "Just a dope dude, looking to do some dope stuff." ...but I think it was one of the regular dating sites, rather than tinder- it's foggy in my head now. But I respect that dope dude who only wanted to do some dope stuff.

You act like they have to hold it like a single-issue voter would. I gave the example of women who think it's evil but a necessary evil in modern society. Also, others that are personally pro-life, but don't think government has a role limiting it for the rest of society. The question is if you think the actual people holding the other view are so scummy that you could never love them.

I'm sure if you dig deep, you can find other compromises that mean you don't have to find a philosophical middle ground to every debate (kind of a regressive way to view a relationship, if you ask me), just the agreement that you're not going to try to argue the other out of it every year.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 20 2017 13:44 GMT
#175612
It probably has a lot to do with the risk of having an unwanted baby.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 20 2017 13:47 GMT
#175613
On September 20 2017 17:02 LegalLord wrote:
Read both stories and they both seem kinda dumb. The WaPo story is defending... well I dunno what (feels almost as if it was just written to say "nah I disagree"), and the Federalist story looks almost as if it's really just an attack on the modern wave of rent-seeking feminism without ever mentioning that and making a deeper cultural argument out of it all. The feminists of that breed are pretty distasteful people as a whole, but no real need to associate with them. And to be fair, a certain breed of religious conservative is every bit as unpleasant as those feminists so it's not like it's a one-sided phenomenon.

I think it did a fair job of bringing up untalked-about consequences to greater sorting in relationships. If you agree that politics has gotten more vicious, and statistics show it's hurting intimate relationships, maybe in two more election cycles the percentage that really thinks the other side is evil people and not wrong people and would never date/marry grows.

The article was far too short to make a comprehensive cultural argument. Leave the origins, side-analysis, solutions, and further cultural analysis to long-form academic papers. Especially ones that can fund surveys of the iGen/Millenial generations on more cultural and relationship preferences.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17991 Posts
September 20 2017 13:57 GMT
#175614
On September 20 2017 22:47 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 17:02 LegalLord wrote:
Read both stories and they both seem kinda dumb. The WaPo story is defending... well I dunno what (feels almost as if it was just written to say "nah I disagree"), and the Federalist story looks almost as if it's really just an attack on the modern wave of rent-seeking feminism without ever mentioning that and making a deeper cultural argument out of it all. The feminists of that breed are pretty distasteful people as a whole, but no real need to associate with them. And to be fair, a certain breed of religious conservative is every bit as unpleasant as those feminists so it's not like it's a one-sided phenomenon.

I think it did a fair job of bringing up untalked-about consequences to greater sorting in relationships. If you agree that politics has gotten more vicious, and statistics show it's hurting intimate relationships, maybe in two more election cycles the percentage that really thinks the other side is evil people and not wrong people and would never date/marry grows.

The article was far too short to make a comprehensive cultural argument. Leave the origins, side-analysis, solutions, and further cultural analysis to long-form academic papers. Especially ones that can fund surveys of the iGen/Millenial generations on more cultural and relationship preferences.

Well, that is a very valid point to raise. However, it was not the core argument of the article you cited, which was quite explicitly a male chauvinist whining about how girls didn't want to date him because he wanted to forbid them to be the boss of their own uterus.

I do agree that there is a danger to increasingly polarizing the debate to the point where we no longer debate at all, but simply label everything on the other side of the aisle "the enemy" to be vanquished in combat elections, and assortive relationships are both a cause and an effect (it reinforces the echo chamber feedback). But that is not the part that of the article that the WaPo response criticized either, and you emphatically disagreed with that response. But I am quite happy to see that your takeaway message is the far more subtle (and important) message about how polarizing the debate harms society, rather than the QQ about how pro-choice ladies swipe left on pro-life men.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2017 14:04 GMT
#175615
On September 20 2017 08:55 crms wrote:
Conservatives whining about progressive women not dating them is hilarious. It really turned my day around.

This man's take on conservative publications will be evergreen.

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 20 2017 14:05 GMT
#175616
On September 20 2017 22:57 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2017 22:47 Danglars wrote:
On September 20 2017 17:02 LegalLord wrote:
Read both stories and they both seem kinda dumb. The WaPo story is defending... well I dunno what (feels almost as if it was just written to say "nah I disagree"), and the Federalist story looks almost as if it's really just an attack on the modern wave of rent-seeking feminism without ever mentioning that and making a deeper cultural argument out of it all. The feminists of that breed are pretty distasteful people as a whole, but no real need to associate with them. And to be fair, a certain breed of religious conservative is every bit as unpleasant as those feminists so it's not like it's a one-sided phenomenon.

I think it did a fair job of bringing up untalked-about consequences to greater sorting in relationships. If you agree that politics has gotten more vicious, and statistics show it's hurting intimate relationships, maybe in two more election cycles the percentage that really thinks the other side is evil people and not wrong people and would never date/marry grows.

The article was far too short to make a comprehensive cultural argument. Leave the origins, side-analysis, solutions, and further cultural analysis to long-form academic papers. Especially ones that can fund surveys of the iGen/Millenial generations on more cultural and relationship preferences.

Well, that is a very valid point to raise. However, it was not the core argument of the article you cited, which was quite explicitly a male chauvinist whining about how girls didn't want to date him because he wanted to forbid them to be the boss of their own uterus.

What did you find to be whining? He entirely talked about negative consequences, not about the plight of males. Secondly, it appears you use chauvinist pretty freely. Would you listen to an argument better if a woman made it?

I do agree that there is a danger to increasingly polarizing the debate to the point where we no longer debate at all, but simply label everything on the other side of the aisle "the enemy" to be vanquished in combat elections, and assortive relationships are both a cause and an effect (it reinforces the echo chamber feedback). But that is not the part that of the article that the WaPo response criticized either, and you emphatically disagreed with that response. But I am quite happy to see that your takeaway message is the far more subtle (and important) message about how polarizing the debate harms society, rather than the QQ about how pro-choice ladies swipe left on pro-life men.

I linked the WaPo just to show the article had achieved some notice. I found it almost as laughable as I consider your claims about chauvinism and whining.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 14:10:32
September 20 2017 14:09 GMT
#175617
On September 20 2017 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
It probably has a lot to do with the risk of having an unwanted baby.

This was the reasoning I got when I asked my wife about it. She said that if terminating an unwanted pregnancy was going to be a deal breaker for the relationship then you might as well let that information be known beforehand.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
September 20 2017 14:13 GMT
#175618
On September 20 2017 23:04 Plansix wrote:
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On September 20 2017 08:55 crms wrote:
Conservatives whining about progressive women not dating them is hilarious. It really turned my day around.

This man's take on conservative publications will be evergreen.
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/910211582113800192

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On September 20 2017 23:09 Tachion wrote:
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On September 20 2017 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
It probably has a lot to do with the risk of having an unwanted baby.

This was the reasoning I got when I asked my wife about it. She said that if terminating an unwanted pregnancy was going to be a deal breaker for the relationship then you might as well let that information be known beforehand.

People should be up front about what will be a “deal breaker” in a relationship. There are plenty of conservatives that won’t date progressives, but you don’t see a lot of articles about that.

On September 20 2017 23:13 Godwrath wrote:
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On September 20 2017 23:04 Plansix wrote:
On September 20 2017 08:55 crms wrote:
Conservatives whining about progressive women not dating them is hilarious. It really turned my day around.

This man's take on conservative publications will be evergreen.
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/910211582113800192

Leaving out the first comment should be punishable by law in this case.

Thank you. I wasn’t aware who won twitter that day and now I know. That was (chef’s kiss)
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September 20 2017 14:45 GMT
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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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