US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8583

On August 29 2017 09:56 GreenHorizons wrote:

mozoku seems to be intentionally misconstruing my factual point that arrest and conviction rates aren't accurate measures of crime commission rates for a variety of reasons, but systemic racism would certainly be one.

On August 29 2017 08:18 mozoku wrote:

My issue with this is that I rarely come across clear cut issues of civil rights violations that aren't already in the legal system or already resolved. If they're so widespread, would you (or someone else) be able to point some out?

My expectation is that it'll be the stuff that GH constantly talks about, and last time I was in discussion with him involving with race he tried to tell me that the actual homicide rate for blacks is lower than whites, but the racist police force was miscounting or something. Something unbelievable to the point where I wasn't interested in continuing the conversation,.

On August 29 2017 13:50 mozoku wrote:
pointing out pointless "facts" like "arrest and conviction rates aren't accurate measures of crime commission rates." You're not helping to achieve social justice by destroying your own credibility.

On August 29 2017 13:50 mozoku wrote:...
This, by no means, excuses unprovoked police shootings, racism, police brutality, arming local police with grenade launchers/tanks, etc., but I'm not sure how I'm expected to take you seriously when you imply that the black crime rate is lower than white crime rate by pointing out pointless "facts" like "arrest and conviction rates aren't accurate measures of crime commission rates." You're not helping to achieve social justice by destroying your own credibility.
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On August 29 2017 14:10 Aquanim wrote:

What are your feelings on the less strong statements of

"The 'black crime rate' is far less disproportionate to the 'white crime rate' than arrest and conviction rates would tend to indicate"

and

"A plausible explanation for whatever discrepancies do exist between the 'black crime rate' and 'white crime rate' (under the assumption that they do exist) is that they are caused by systemic and historical factors rather than any direct causal link to race."

Antifa is not the mirror image of white supremacy. While some of the antifa's methods are extremely objectionable, their stated goals -- to confront and combat racism, anti-Semitism and bigotry— are not. White supremacists' goals, on the other hand, are indefensible

On August 29 2017 14:01 KwarK wrote:

I took this to be implying that it's not actually a fact due to the "". Apologies if I misunderstood.
GH's position is that if you look for crime in a disproportionate way then you'll find crime in a disproportionate way. A good example of this is marijuana consumption. When surveyed whites and blacks consume it in roughly the same proportion. However blacks feature much more heavily in the crime statistics for it. The "facts" as reflected by the crime statistics are demonstrably false. People such as yourself rely upon these facts in good faith because you make an assumption of good faith on behalf of the police. That's not necessarily a foolish thing to do, you ought to be able to make that kind of assumption. But the reality is that enforcement is not colourblind.

On August 29 2017 11:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

Source
Will try to find a more "legit" source.

One of the oldest and largest neo-nazi sites on the internet, the white supremacist chatroom Stormfront, has been thrown off the open web by its hosting provider.
Stormfront has been described by the anti-hate group Southern Poverty Law Center as the “murder capital of the internet”. The group pointed out that “registered Stormfront users have been disproportionately responsible for some of the most lethal hate crimes and mass killings since the site was put up in 1995. In the past five years alone, Stormfront members have murdered close to 100 people.”

As of Tuesday morning, Stormfront.org was unavailable, with the site’s domain registry recording that its hosting provider Network Solutions had issued a “hold” on the address.

Stormfront’s removal comes a week after a letter, informing Network Solution’s parent company Web.com of the neo-nazi site’s infractions of the its usage policy, was sent by the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a civil rights organisation formed at the request of John F Kennedy in 1963.

The group, which has been writing to Web.com repeatedly since early July, repeated its request of the company to take “immediate action” against Stormfront.

Becky Monroe, the director of the group’s Stop Hate project said: “Since its creation, Stormfront has been consistently recognised as a site for racial hatred … a representative sample of posts on the site refer to interracial couples by slurs, share racist caricatures, or otherwise dehumanises minorities by referring to them as ‘creatures’ or ‘ethnics’.

“It is clear that Stormfront’s reason for existing is to advance hateful racist ideologies in undeniable persistent violation of the acceptable use policy of Web.com.”

The letter closes by giving a deadline of August 28, the same day Stormfront lost its site.

“Especially in the wake of tragic events in Charlottesville and the spike in hate crimes across the country, Stormfront crossed the line of permissible speech and incited and promoted violence,” said Kristen Clarke, executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

The move follows the downfall of the Daily Stormer, a far-right news site which was dropped by multiple service providers after it published an article smearing the victim of a far-right terrorist attack in Charlottesville, Virginia. Eventually, the site was forced to move to the so-called dark web due to the lack of companies willing to work with it publicly.

As with the withdrawal of the Daily Stormer’s domain by GoDaddy, the decision of Web.com to pull its support for Stormfront will likely prompt a game of cat and mouse for the site, as it attempts to re-register its domain name with new registrars, many of whom will also choose to refuse to serve the forum.

Don Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader who has operated stormfront.org since 1995 said that he was seeking counsel and that: “I can switch to another domain, but it might wind up the same way.”

It will also prompt a new round of debate over just how critical private companies are to free speech on the internet – even when the free speech is on the part of white supremacists and neo-nazis.

“This is a really terrible time to be a free speech advocate,” Jillian York, director for international freedom of expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation told the Guardian on Monday.

Web.com did not reply to a request for comment.

On August 29 2017 19:11 farvacola wrote:
Word is that Pelosi flipped on single payer and will announce an agenda to get it party wide.

On August 29 2017 17:36 Artisreal wrote:

A paragraph that sums up my opinion on the crappy BLM/antifa/KKK who's worse spiel

Antifa pose challenges for police and counter-protesters alike

On August 29 2017 15:53 IgnE wrote:


hey this question just struck me and i am deeply curious. you often talk about how you like talking politics in person and have liberal californian friends and more conservative friends. how often does it happen that you are in or around social interaction where someone says something that sounds "racist" to you? like an off-color joke that makes you squeamish? does this happen to you?

On August 29 2017 14:29 mozoku wrote:

First statement: Depends on the crime. I doubt that strongly holds for homicides and most major violent crime. For crimes such as cannabis possession it's probably reasonable.

Second statement: I agree with that to an extent. If American blacks immigrated to the US in the same way as other ethnic groups and didn't face historical racism, I don't think they would be socioeconomically distinguishable from most other ethnic groups. I also don't believe skin color is casually linked to any cognitive or psychological differences from any other race.

On the other hand, I think historical injustices and mishandled race relations have led to American black culture becoming probably the blacks' own worst enemy.