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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 17:37:35
August 19 2017 17:36 GMT
#169921
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:


Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.


genuinely curious question and nothing else, but who decides on who gets those permits to hold a rally and on what basis? I mean just looking at that makes me wonder how much the city has to spend to make sure nothing happens with all the police there and whatever else.
At what point does it become unreasonable? Do people get refused based on such conditions? Does the city have to "accommodate" for those events after, let's say, a first come first serves principle or whatever decides who gets to have a rally? (the last one is more a question for what you guys)

Not trying to imply that it is unreasonable and that they should have not been allowed to gather at all, just wondering. That being said, this probably isn't your every day rally either with the recent happenings so perhaps it's just that rare that it's really insignificant?
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 19 2017 17:38 GMT
#169922
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This makes me happy to see.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
August 19 2017 17:38 GMT
#169923
On August 20 2017 02:18 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 01:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The way I see it, one major takeaway from 2017 is the importance of strong institutions and adhering to proper protocols.

Do you also agree that that applies in reverse? That we should respect the due process of how the office of the presidency is supposed to operate, even when the president is a dangerously incompetent nincompoop? That, for example, being willing to throw out non-stop classified information just to make life worse for the hated president is a bad thing?

I ask because you are pretty closely aligned with the political affiliation of the folk who see the merit of institutions when they're meant to limit Trump, but not when they're meant to allow him to do his job. Though I know that that doesn't mean that you necessarily agree with all of them on everything, including perhaps, perhaps not, on this issue.


Don't really have time to elaborate right now, but the short answer is yes, I do. Part of the issue I'd like to elaborate on is how I feel any institution has to be stronger than one man over one election period, so without spending time educating myself on the specifics, I might think the american president has too much power. But insofar as he's not in direct danger of eliminating the possibilities of reducing executive power in the future, then his mandate should certainly be respected. And then possibly changed next term.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 17:43 GMT
#169924
On August 20 2017 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.


genuinely curious question and nothing else, but who decides on who gets those permits to hold a rally and on what basis? I mean just looking at that makes me wonder how much the city has to spend to make sure nothing happens with all the police there and whatever else.
At what point does it become unreasonable? Do people get refused based on such conditions? Does the city have to "accommodate" for those events after, let's say, a first come first serves principle or whatever decides who gets to have a rally? (the last one is more a question for what you guys)

Not trying to imply that it is unreasonable and that they should have not been allowed to gather at all, just wondering. That being said, this probably isn't your every day rally either with the recent happenings so perhaps it's just that rare that it's really insignificant?

Peaceful protest is allowed and permits will be granted to anyone who does it within the law and in a time frame where public safety can be assured. Boston has a long tradition of counter protesting hate speech and racist garbage.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
August 19 2017 17:48 GMT
#169925
@Gahlo
That escalation by the police makes no sense.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 19 2017 18:08 GMT
#169926
I dont know why they expected to draw a lot of white supremacists in Boston of all places. They would have much better luck in the south such as that one that people in the thread were saying is scheduled in Texas.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
August 19 2017 18:08 GMT
#169927
On August 20 2017 02:48 Falling wrote:
@Gahlo
That escalation by the police makes no sense.

Makes sense to me. The black driver was obviously about to become violent and the officer took matters into his own hands. Better to strike first against those hoodlums. /s
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 18:16:10
August 19 2017 18:13 GMT
#169928




This is good. Also that black woman's face is priceless.

Edit: it is fucking hot. They both need to rethink their fashion.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 18:25:03
August 19 2017 18:24 GMT
#169929
Are you there too, plansix? Iirc you're like 45 min out of Boston? Or 45 min out of somewhere near Boston? I forget
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 18:31:11
August 19 2017 18:28 GMT
#169930
On August 20 2017 03:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Are you there too, plansix? Iirc you're like 45 min out of Boston? Or 45 min out of somewhere near Boston? I forget

Nope. The whole thing stresses out my wife. She canceled plans with a bunch of friends today because of it. So I'm not going to add fuel to the fire by going.

Plus it would take us well over and 2 hours to get there each way with this going on.

Edit: pls enjoy the local legend: keytar-bear who plays year round in the city of Boston.

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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 19 2017 18:32 GMT
#169931
So yeah, fascists picked wrong. They usually target white, sleepy college towns where they only face college kids.

However, Boston has its history of racist riots.


Violence[edit]
There were a number of protest incidents that turned severely violent, even resulting in deaths. In one case, attorney Theodore Landsmark was attacked and bloodied by a group of white teenagers as he exited Boston City Hall.[9] One of the youths, Joseph Rakes, attacked Landsmark with an American flag.[10] According to Landsmark, Rakes was swinging the flag and trying to hit him, not trying to spear him as it appears in the photo, and he narrowly missed.[11] A photograph of the attack on Landsmark, The Soiling of Old Glory taken by Stanley Forman for the Boston Herald American, won the Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography (now the Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News Photography) in 1977.[12][13] In a retaliatory incident about two weeks later, black teenagers in Roxbury threw rocks at auto mechanic Richard Poleet's car and caused him to crash. The youths dragged him out and crushed his skull with nearby paving stones. When police arrived, the man was surrounded by a crowd of 100 chanting "Let him die" while lying in a coma from which he never recovered.[5]
In another instance, a white teenager was stabbed nearly to death by a black teenager at South Boston High School. The community's white residents mobbed the school, trapping the black students inside.[14] There were dozens of other racial incidents at South Boston High that year, predominantly of racial taunting of the black students. The school was forced to close for a month after the stabbing. When it opened again, it was one of the first high schools to install metal detectors; with 400 students attending, it was guarded by 500 police officers every day. In December 1975, Judge Garrity turned out the principal of South Boston High and took control himself.[5]
Judge Garrity increased the plan down to first grade for the following school year. In October 1975, 6,000 marched against the busing in South Boston.[5]


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 19 2017 18:52 GMT
#169932
Ousted White House strategist Steve Bannon has declared the Donald Trump presidency "over", following his departure from the billionaire's administration.

Mr Bannon, a right-wing ideologue who co-founded the Breitbart News website, pronounced himself "free" and said he now had "my hands back on my weapons" at the outlet.

He and Mr Trump's new chief of staff, John Kelly, agreed he would leave the White House on Friday. Mr Bannon said he had given his resignation earlier in the month, though it was also reported that Mr Trump had decided to let him go.

He told the Weekly Standard, a conservative opinion magazine: "The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over.

"We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over."


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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
August 19 2017 18:59 GMT
#169933
If the Bannon crowd leaves, who exactly is Trump's core support? Another half year and has Trump burned every single bridge with everyone on the entire political spectrum?
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 19 2017 19:00 GMT
#169934
He's a fucking lunatic, and it makes me nervous that he's going back to breitbart, but he's right about one thing, this presidency is fucking toast. He doesn't get to claim credit for that though.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 19:04:32
August 19 2017 19:03 GMT
#169935
Isn't Boston one of the most liberal/progressive parts of the US? I'm not entirely sure if i recall correctly.
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 19:06:38
August 19 2017 19:04 GMT
#169936
On August 20 2017 04:03 m4ini wrote:
Isn't Boston one of the most liberal parts of the US? I'm not entirely sure if i recall correctly.

Yeah. It's also another tech hub very much akin to Silicon Valley (or perhaps more accurately, an important part of one).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 19:07 GMT
#169937
On August 20 2017 04:03 m4ini wrote:
Isn't Boston one of the most liberal/progressive parts of the US? I'm not entirely sure if i recall correctly.

Nixon didn't call them Harvard educated liberals for nothing.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 19:08:18
August 19 2017 19:07 GMT
#169938
So why exactly would they start a ruckus there, rather than for example in, the fuck do i know? Like Mississippi, Alabama, those (afaik rather racist) corners?

I don't get these people. As in, two or even threefold. Why adore an ideology that you factual know pretty much nothing about? Why go in the most liberal parts of the country to show it off?

Why be an idiot?
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 19:09 GMT
#169939
On August 20 2017 04:04 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 04:03 m4ini wrote:
Isn't Boston one of the most liberal parts of the US? I'm not entirely sure if i recall correctly.

Yeah. It's also another tech hub very much akin to Silicon Valley (or perhaps more accurately, an important part of one).

Yep, with the same housing problems created by the tech industry. The difference is Boston isn't putting up with that and is building middle class housing.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 19:14 GMT
#169940
On August 20 2017 04:07 m4ini wrote:
So why exactly would they start a ruckus there, rather than for example in, the fuck do i know? Like Mississippi, Alabama, those (afaik rather racist) corners?

I don't get these people. As in, two or even threefold. Why adore an ideology that you factual know pretty much nothing about? Why go in the most liberal parts of the country to show it off?

Why be an idiot?

Because we have rural idiots in our state who hate Boston and think it's full of rich assholes. They are not wrong, but it's also filled with a ton of non-profits, universities and technology companies.

Put we protest all the time here. A Nazi rally is just an excuse to show off.
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