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On August 20 2017 04:07 m4ini wrote:
So why exactly would they start a ruckus there, rather than for example in, the fuck do i know? Like Mississippi, Alabama, those (afaik rather racist) corners?
I don't get these people. As in, two or even threefold. Why adore an ideology that you factual know pretty much nothing about? Why go in the most liberal parts of the country to show it off?
Why be an idiot?
Probably because they're more emboldened than they were the last few years and want to test the waters in areas they've historically not entered.
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United States24805 Posts
When I was talking around Boston in uniform some protestors harassed me and my buddies, but only for a moment.
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Yeah, that sounds right. Military recruiters alway had a tough time Boston proper and Cambridge. I really don't know why they go there at all. There used to be a lot of friction between the ROTC program and the universities over don't ask don't tell and the Bush administration.
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On August 20 2017 03:59 Falling wrote:
If the Bannon crowd leaves, who exactly is Trump's core support? Another half year and has Trump burned every single bridge with everyone on the entire political spectrum?
Reactions to Bannon leaving have not been as terrible as you'd think. A lot of people are buying into a narrative that Bannon can do more outside than within. However, Bannon himself has made it clear his departure represents a loss to Trump's ability to fulfill campaign promises.
Overall, I think the impact of Bannon leaving will be felt over time. A lot of the people who voted for Trump in hopes of seeing significant paradigm shifts in things like interventionist policies etc, will slowly become more and more disappointed. With the military being an enormous part of Trump's circle of influence now, Trump's presidency will become a lot more pragmatic. It is also extremely unlikely that this whole "Why not just be FRIENDS with Russia???" thing will get canned.
Our approach to Asia and the middle east will lilkely remain extremely similar to Obama. Trump will still be a rallying point for racists and "anti PC" crowds, but the idea of Trump actually doing this populist stuff is something that will impact him over time, rather than instantly.
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If I go way back to last year, I hated talk of fascism. It was nonsense because it went nowhere. You could never prove one way or the other if someone had fascist inklings because the term was so nebulous. Fuck that, this is fascism. No more both sides from Trump anymore. If you push back against Nazis, you are 'anti-police agitators'. Putin is more subtle than this.
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Yeah that tweet is bad. The protest is far from anti-police. It's 15k people, the law of averages say says there will be arrests. And Boston police have lots of experience dealing with protesters.
For further evidence why the confederate monuments are more than just history, look how they impact states that didn't exist until after the civil war.
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I feel like this WW2 Propaganda poster paints the perfect picture of the direction we're headed.
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/UNITED_WE_STAND._DIVIDED_WE_FALL_-_NARA_-_515926.jpg)
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It isn't the same without his accent.
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On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.
This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.
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On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.
"And here we have a single event that I will use to dismiss everything else. See? If there were white supremacists anywhere, BOSTON is totally the place they would be!"
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On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.
The FBI disagrees. Right wing extremism is a greater danger to this country than Islamic extremism, per all their data.
Also: it's Boston bro. Call me when this happens in Mississippi and I'll consider your theory.
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On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.
Honestly, I think people know deep down it's all exaggerated. They know highlighting its existence pays small dividends in political discourse, and hyping it might lead to violence that plays into their hands (quisling mayors included). Play-acting brave protesters against the legion is evil is a sign of the times.
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Clearly hate-filled.
Call your Democratic congressman to see if they're reluctant to condemn the violence.
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On August 20 2017 06:35 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country. Honestly, I think people know deep down it's all exaggerated. They know highlighting its existence pays small dividends in political discourse, and hyping it might lead to violence that plays into their hands (quisling mayors included). Play-acting brave protesters against the legion is evil is a sign of the times.
quisling? I don't see how the quisling reference is apropos.
and we wouldn't have these issue sif your side didn't make so much of a point of acting racist so often. and if your side didn't also engage in the exact same kind of behavior with your personal encouragement (which you have done many MANY times) (i'm referring to the behavior of highlighting the existence of small minor groups to stir up support and make it seem like they're more significant than they are).
if you stop doing such behavior and encouraging it, i'd gladly do more to tamp down on my side (not that sides really exist anyways) doing it.
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Are you fake outrage counter-balancing now, danglars? Because come on, if that's the worst from a group of 20k people then I don't see the problem. There's no issue with a bunch of people telling a white supremacist to go fuck himself and get out of boston - this is certainly as protected speech as any message from a white supremacist.
Some person trying to take the flag from some lady, big deal also. Not saying it's model behavior, but I genuinely think that if that's the worst behavior showcased by a group of 20k people, then it's actually a much nicer and friendlier group than most 20k groups of people would be.
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I think the point is that people were condemning violence on all sides, but wishing that Fox News would spend as much time criticizing actual literal Nazis for KILLING people as I'm sure they will that some guy grabbed a woman's American flag and was trying to run off with it (also a bad thing, but clearly not as bad as murdering people). I'm also sure the police will look into this, so don't worry Danglers.
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We need fair and blanced coverage. 20k people protested peacefully. But now we must have a full and deep discussion about the handful that did not and how the left is just as bad.
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On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.
I appreciate Boston's reaction, but Boston was also the very last MLB team to sign a black player, perhaps folks remember Adam Jones, and, I mean, has anyone ever talked about race with someone from Boston?
Let's not forget that Boston schools are also more segregated now than they were when we forced them to integrate, I could go on, but a rally does not an anti-racist city make.
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