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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 21:57:08
August 19 2017 21:53 GMT
#169961
Boston sports are super racist, holy fuck. And have been since the the first Red Sox game. Don't even think we don't have problems with race here in bean town.

And the segregation is a huge problem. Busing was a short term solution. But Dorchester and Roxbury are still poor as hell and very black. They are just getting over the real estate crash when it comes to urban blight.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
August 19 2017 21:55 GMT
#169962
On August 20 2017 06:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:


Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.


I appreciate Boston's reaction, but Boston was also the very last MLB team to sign a black player, perhaps folks remember Adam Jones, and, I mean, has anyone ever talked about race with someone from Boston?

Let's not forget that Boston schools are also more segregated now than they were when we forced them to integrate, I could go on, but a rally does not an anti-racist city make.

Pretty sure you have
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 21:56:55
August 19 2017 21:56 GMT
#169963
On August 20 2017 06:49 Plansix wrote:
We need fair and blanced coverage. 20k people protested peacefully. But now we must have a full and deep discussion about the handful that did not and how the left is just as bad.

Well deep down humanity is nothing but a bunch of savages...doesn't take much to fall back into the old habits of our ancestors.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
August 19 2017 22:01 GMT
#169964
On August 20 2017 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Boston sports are super racist, holy fuck. And have been since the the first Red Sox game. Don't even think we don't have problems with race here in bean town.

And the segregation is a huge problem. Busing was a short term solution. But Dorchester and Roxbury are still poor as hell and very black. They are just getting over the real estate crash when it comes to urban blight.


Yeah I just saw people talking about "well if it was a really racist place like (insert southern state)". I wanted to point out the real danger of white supremacy isn't 50 idiots in a park, it's the countless counter protesters at the rally who went on to reinforce white supremacy that day and the people like danglars and xDaunt who use events like this to claim white supremacy is an overblown problem not deserving significant and immediate action.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 22:08:39
August 19 2017 22:05 GMT
#169965
On August 20 2017 07:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Boston sports are super racist, holy fuck. And have been since the the first Red Sox game. Don't even think we don't have problems with race here in bean town.

And the segregation is a huge problem. Busing was a short term solution. But Dorchester and Roxbury are still poor as hell and very black. They are just getting over the real estate crash when it comes to urban blight.


Yeah I just saw people talking about "well if it was a really racist place like (insert southern state)". I wanted to point out the real danger of white supremacy isn't 50 idiots in a park, it's the countless counter protesters at the rally who went on to reinforce white supremacy that day and the people like danglars and xDaunt who use events like this to claim white supremacy is an overblown problem not deserving significant and immediate action.

Stories of Red Sox fans getting booted for using racial slurs are still making headlines in 2017. It is still news worthy, because the park has such a history of abusing blacks. And people still whine about it saying that the Red Sox shouldn't police the heckling of other teams. And if they get a lifetime ban for being a true asshole, the Boston Herald is more than happy to make them seem like a victim. Because sports is the safe space for racists in Boston.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 19 2017 22:10 GMT
#169966
We should just make it illegal to say or think the wrong things.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 22:12 GMT
#169967
On August 20 2017 07:10 ninazerg wrote:
We should just make it illegal to say or think the wrong things.

Can we start with this post? Because this post is real stupid in the context of this discussion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 19 2017 22:26 GMT
#169968
That's about as embarrassing as it gets.

m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
August 19 2017 22:33 GMT
#169969
Heel you will! And at some point, maybe you give paw and sit too!

I assume it's down to autocorrect again though. Even though my phone actually doesn't turn it to "heel", so maybe he has a foot fetish or something and the phone autocorrects to the more often used word between the two.
On track to MA1950A.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 22:43:32
August 19 2017 22:42 GMT
#169970
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On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 19 2017 22:58 GMT
#169971
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 19 2017 23:16 GMT
#169972
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 19 2017 23:17 GMT
#169973
On August 20 2017 06:41 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:35 Danglars wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.

Honestly, I think people know deep down it's all exaggerated. They know highlighting its existence pays small dividends in political discourse, and hyping it might lead to violence that plays into their hands (quisling mayors included). Play-acting brave protesters against the legion is evil is a sign of the times.

quisling? I don't see how the quisling reference is apropos.

and we wouldn't have these issue sif your side didn't make so much of a point of acting racist so often. and if your side didn't also engage in the exact same kind of behavior with your personal encouragement (which you have done many MANY times) (i'm referring to the behavior of highlighting the existence of small minor groups to stir up support and make it seem like they're more significant than they are).
if you stop doing such behavior and encouraging it, i'd gladly do more to tamp down on my side (not that sides really exist anyways) doing it.

It's been reported the mayor held his police force back from interfering until very late in the melee. It was linked in this thread.

On August 20 2017 06:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Are you fake outrage counter-balancing now, danglars? Because come on, if that's the worst from a group of 20k people then I don't see the problem. There's no issue with a bunch of people telling a white supremacist to go fuck himself and get out of boston - this is certainly as protected speech as any message from a white supremacist.

Some person trying to take the flag from some lady, big deal also. Not saying it's model behavior, but I genuinely think that if that's the worst behavior showcased by a group of 20k people, then it's actually a much nicer and friendlier group than most 20k groups of people would be.

Yes, this is poking fun at the outrage "omg he hasn't denounced omg omg omg" that's a thread standard by now.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 23:24:30
August 19 2017 23:20 GMT
#169974
On August 20 2017 08:17 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:41 zlefin wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:35 Danglars wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.

Honestly, I think people know deep down it's all exaggerated. They know highlighting its existence pays small dividends in political discourse, and hyping it might lead to violence that plays into their hands (quisling mayors included). Play-acting brave protesters against the legion is evil is a sign of the times.

quisling? I don't see how the quisling reference is apropos.

and we wouldn't have these issue sif your side didn't make so much of a point of acting racist so often. and if your side didn't also engage in the exact same kind of behavior with your personal encouragement (which you have done many MANY times) (i'm referring to the behavior of highlighting the existence of small minor groups to stir up support and make it seem like they're more significant than they are).
if you stop doing such behavior and encouraging it, i'd gladly do more to tamp down on my side (not that sides really exist anyways) doing it.

It's been reported the mayor held his police force back from interfering until very late in the melee. It was linked in this thread.

Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Are you fake outrage counter-balancing now, danglars? Because come on, if that's the worst from a group of 20k people then I don't see the problem. There's no issue with a bunch of people telling a white supremacist to go fuck himself and get out of boston - this is certainly as protected speech as any message from a white supremacist.

Some person trying to take the flag from some lady, big deal also. Not saying it's model behavior, but I genuinely think that if that's the worst behavior showcased by a group of 20k people, then it's actually a much nicer and friendlier group than most 20k groups of people would be.

Yes, this is poking fun at the outrage "omg he hasn't denounced omg omg omg" that's a thread standard by now.

I didn't see that link (probably cuz I had to shut off some stuff which makes some things not show up right).
reported by a credible source?
and I still don't see how that constitutes "quisling", improper behavior of some other sort, sure; but not "quisling"; you're probably using the wrong definition of quisling.
and ofc all my other points stand in their entirety.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 19 2017 23:22 GMT
#169975
On August 20 2017 08:17 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:41 zlefin wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:35 Danglars wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.

Honestly, I think people know deep down it's all exaggerated. They know highlighting its existence pays small dividends in political discourse, and hyping it might lead to violence that plays into their hands (quisling mayors included). Play-acting brave protesters against the legion is evil is a sign of the times.

quisling? I don't see how the quisling reference is apropos.

and we wouldn't have these issue sif your side didn't make so much of a point of acting racist so often. and if your side didn't also engage in the exact same kind of behavior with your personal encouragement (which you have done many MANY times) (i'm referring to the behavior of highlighting the existence of small minor groups to stir up support and make it seem like they're more significant than they are).
if you stop doing such behavior and encouraging it, i'd gladly do more to tamp down on my side (not that sides really exist anyways) doing it.

It's been reported the mayor held his police force back from interfering until very late in the melee. It was linked in this thread.

Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Are you fake outrage counter-balancing now, danglars? Because come on, if that's the worst from a group of 20k people then I don't see the problem. There's no issue with a bunch of people telling a white supremacist to go fuck himself and get out of boston - this is certainly as protected speech as any message from a white supremacist.

Some person trying to take the flag from some lady, big deal also. Not saying it's model behavior, but I genuinely think that if that's the worst behavior showcased by a group of 20k people, then it's actually a much nicer and friendlier group than most 20k groups of people would be.

Yes, this is poking fun at the outrage "omg he hasn't denounced omg omg omg" that's a thread standard by now.

So you think it's not a big deal that Trump didn't denounce the Nazis and their violence? You saw the video where he was asked to do so, said nothing, and walked away, right? What kind of message do you think that sends?
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 19 2017 23:27 GMT
#169976
On August 20 2017 07:10 ninazerg wrote:
We should just make it illegal to say or think the wrong things.

Now you're bringing it down to the thread level!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 19 2017 23:36 GMT
#169977
On August 20 2017 06:45 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:39 Danglars wrote:

Clearly hate-filled.


Call your Democratic congressman to see if they're reluctant to condemn the violence.


I think the point is that people were condemning violence on all sides, but wishing that Fox News would spend as much time criticizing actual literal Nazis for KILLING people as I'm sure they will that some guy grabbed a woman's American flag and was trying to run off with it (also a bad thing, but clearly not as bad as murdering people). I'm also sure the police will look into this, so don't worry Danglers.

Do you condemn the violence in the Boston counter protest?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 23:40:53
August 19 2017 23:37 GMT
#169978
Danglars is here to make sure we all know that the left is bad, Mayor Martie Walsh helped them hurt conservatives and we should all ignore the fact the leader of our country only denounced Nazis when forced. And didn't mean it. Our president to date had not denounced nazis and meant it. Both sides folks, both sides.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 23:39:54
August 19 2017 23:38 GMT
#169979
On August 20 2017 08:36 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 06:45 Saryph wrote:
On August 20 2017 06:39 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/jessweiss1/status/898934176115720192
Clearly hate-filled.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/898939777453400065
Call your Democratic congressman to see if they're reluctant to condemn the violence.


I think the point is that people were condemning violence on all sides, but wishing that Fox News would spend as much time criticizing actual literal Nazis for KILLING people as I'm sure they will that some guy grabbed a woman's American flag and was trying to run off with it (also a bad thing, but clearly not as bad as murdering people). I'm also sure the police will look into this, so don't worry Danglers.

Do you condemn the violence in the Boston counter protest?

Do you condemn every act of violence committed by a conservative on the face of the planet, past, present and future? And all acts of racism by conservatives too, let's get that out of the way too.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 19 2017 23:41 GMT
#169980
On August 20 2017 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2017 02:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/898944831673704449

Boston has this on lock. The "free speech" is going exactly how I expected it to.

This is why white supremacism is an over-exaggerated problem in this country.

So attacking Western culture in statistically tiny numbers is fine when it's the white people doing it?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
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