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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1923 Posts
August 04 2017 07:16 GMT
#166001
I am having an argument with a american-politics nerd, can Trump fire Mueller, or is that politically impossible? Even if he somehow manages to firie him, would that not just drag him further dowm the swamp, and call for some 9/11 like independent investigation, with the power to examine his butthole for russian connections?
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 04 2017 07:20 GMT
#166002
On August 04 2017 14:09 LegalLord wrote:
Honestly, the rest of the world deserves Trump far more than the US does. It's some delicious irony to suck on for all those who thought Bush was just an aberration and that you could expect Obama-esque leadership from this point on. Well, hope you can enjoy some Bush plus.

Do you really think that world political leaders didn't know a thing about the republican party? Or do you mean regular people? and so far atleast trump can't get shit done, so aside some spectacular tweet wars i don't see much reason to worry about trump compared to the Bush.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4731 Posts
August 04 2017 08:00 GMT
#166003
On August 04 2017 16:16 Slydie wrote:
I am having an argument with a american-politics nerd, can Trump fire Mueller, or is that politically impossible? Even if he somehow manages to firie him, would that not just drag him further dowm the swamp, and call for some 9/11 like independent investigation, with the power to examine his butthole for russian connections?


From what i have seen in this thread: Trump can fire Mueller. However some members of congress stated they will just hire him again immediately so there isnt much point to this.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 08:57:39
August 04 2017 08:57 GMT
#166004
On August 04 2017 16:16 Slydie wrote:
I am having an argument with a american-politics nerd, can Trump fire Mueller, or is that politically impossible? Even if he somehow manages to firie him, would that not just drag him further dowm the swamp, and call for some 9/11 like independent investigation, with the power to examine his butthole for russian connections?

Can Trump himself fire Mueller? No. He needs the acting attorney general to fire him since regulations dictate that special council appointed from outside the DoJ can only be removed by the attorney general. Rosenstein was the one who hired Mueller to begin with, so it makes absolutely no sense for him to fire Mueller.

Trump could fire Jeff Sessions, but his successor would not get through on a recess appointment as Congress is currently blocking that. His replacement would have to be confirmed by the Senate, and that confirmation process would ensure that any new AG would leave Mueller unhindered in his investigation process.

The only other plan for firing Mueller as far as I know is to just keep firing AG's until you get one that will deal with him, but there is no way those shenanigans would hold up in court. For the DoJ to remove special council, it must be for "good cause", and that has some very strict standards to meet.

There is probably some legal mumbo jumbo tied up in all that where they could rescind certain regulations to make the firing easier, but it seems incredibly unlikely. If you're gonna go through all that trouble you're already guilty as shit in the eyes of the public.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 04 2017 13:40 GMT
#166005
So, is the transcript of the Trump - Malcolm call real ? Like, where did they get the source material ? Because if that's real, then that's quite frightening.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 04 2017 13:47 GMT
#166006
The leaks are coming from Trump's people, not liberals. Liberals are just reaping the rewards of Trump's white house being a fractious mess. If Trump hadn't displayed immense idiocy on the calls, they wouldn't have been leaked. His idiocy came first, and the white house is a mess/people in the white house know they need to utilize the press under Trump, so leaks happened. Scaramucci was going to get rid of the leakers from among Trump's own (Republican) people, but I guess that didn't work out (aside from Priebus, the former RNC chairman).
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 04 2017 13:48 GMT
#166007
On August 04 2017 22:40 OtherWorld wrote:
So, is the transcript of the Trump - Malcolm call real ? Like, where did they get the source material ? Because if that's real, then that's quite frightening.

It does seem to be real; I'm sure the gov't keeps transcripts of these things, and someone leaked it for one reason or another.
It's also quite consistent with earlier reports about how the call went and with how Trump usually speaks.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 04 2017 14:26 GMT
#166008
The Obama years were a great time for the gun business.

But since the election of Donald Trump as president and the resulting decline in fears over increased gun regulation, sales in the industry have plummeted.

On Thursday, shares of gunmaker Sturm, Ruger & Co. (RGR) were down as much as 9% after reporting results Wednesday afternoon that missed expectations. In the second quarter, sales for the company were down 22% against the same period last year while profits fell 53%.

...

Back in 2015, for instance, gunmaker Smith & Wesson said, “[W]e experienced strong consumer demand for our firearm products following a new administration taking office in Washington, D.C. in 2009.”

And as the gun control debate raged on in Washington, D.C., gun sales boomed in anticipation of a future in which it was more difficult to buy firearms. The Trump administration, however, has taken this political tailwind away from the industry as consumers no longer fear the government will come to take their guns.


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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 04 2017 15:11 GMT
#166009
The AG comes out and gives a statement about leaking:

It is bad... that is all!
Something witty
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9003 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 15:16:50
August 04 2017 15:14 GMT
#166010
The U.S. economy created an estimated 209,000 jobs in July, representing a modest slowdown from the previous month but coming in better than many economists had expected. The unemployment rate ticked down to 4.3 percent from 4.4 percent.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said in its monthly report that, statistically, July showed little change from previous months, as the number of unemployed persons remained around 7 million.

At 4.3 percent, the jobs rate is near the point that most economists deem full employment. Around 200,000 new jobs a month is considered a sign of a robust economy.

Source


LOLOLOLOL
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42983 Posts
August 04 2017 15:19 GMT
#166011
What happened to a real unemployment rate of 60% which was being suppressed by the politicians in Washington?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 04 2017 15:27 GMT
#166012
On August 05 2017 00:19 KwarK wrote:
What happened to a real unemployment rate of 60% which was being suppressed by the politicians in Washington?



well see, that all went away after trump was sworn in. The crowds just looked small because everyone was at the jobs fair getting jobs !
Something witty
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 04 2017 15:27 GMT
#166013
I seem to remember being concerned that job growth wasn't what it should have been whenever Obama only added 200k jobs in a month.

I mean, that's how I felt anyway (I'm no economist).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 04 2017 15:27 GMT
#166014
CNN has a Trump favorable headline up on that. Even a favorable picture.

http://www.cnn.com/
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 04 2017 15:31 GMT
#166015
On August 05 2017 00:27 Doodsmack wrote:
CNN has a Trump favorable headline up on that. Even a favorable picture.

http://www.cnn.com/

He will still accuse the fake news networks of lying.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 17:22:16
August 04 2017 17:14 GMT
#166016
Intresting, the anti affirmative action for Harvard can be traced back another case in Texas with the same dude, Blum:

By most standards, Austin Jia holds an enviable position. A rising sophomore at Duke, Mr. Jia attends one of the top universities in the country, setting him up for success.

But with his high G.P.A., nearly perfect SAT score and activities — debate team, tennis captain and state orchestra — Mr. Jia believes he should have had a fair shot at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania. Those Ivy League colleges rejected him after he applied in the fall of 2015.

It was particularly disturbing, Mr. Jia said, when classmates with lower scores than his — but who were not Asian-American, like him — were admitted to those Ivy League institutions.

“My gut reaction was that I was super disillusioned by how the whole system was set up,” Mr. Jia, 19, said.

Students like Mr. Jia are now the subject of a lawsuit accusing Harvard of discriminating against Asian-Americans in admissions by imposing a penalty for their high achievement and giving preferences to other racial minorities.

The case, which is clearly aimed for the Supreme Court, puts Asian-Americans front and center in the latest stage of the affirmative action debate. The issue is whether there has been discrimination against Asian-Americans in the name of creating a diverse student body. The Justice Department, which has signaled that it is looking to investigate “intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions,” may well focus on Harvard.

The Harvard case asserts that the university’s admissions process amounts to an illegal quota system, in which roughly the same percentage of African-Americans, Hispanics, whites and Asian-Americans have been admitted year after year, despite fluctuations in application rates and qualifications.

“It falls afoul of our most basic civil rights principles, and those principles are that your race and your ethnicity should not be something to be used to harm you in life nor help you in life,” said Edward Blum, the president of Students for Fair Admissions, the organization that is suing Harvard.

His group, a conservative-leaning nonprofit based in Virginia, has filed similar suits against the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the University of Texas at Austin, asserting that white students are at a disadvantage at those colleges because of their admissions policies.

The federal government potentially has the ability to influence university admissions policies by withholding federal funds under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forbids racial discrimination in programs that receive federal money.

In many ways, the system the lawsuit is attacking is one Harvard points to with pride. The university has a long and pioneering history of support for affirmative action, going back at least to when Derek Bok, appointed president of Harvard in 1971, embraced policies that became a national model.

The university has extended that ethos to many low-income students, allowing them to attend free. Harvard has argued in a Supreme Court brief that while it sets no quotas for “blacks, or of musicians, football players, physicists or Californians,” if it wants to achieve true diversity, it must pay some attention to the numbers. The university has also said that abandoning race-conscious admissions would diminish the “excellence” of a Harvard education.

Melodie Jackson, a spokeswoman for Harvard, said that the university’s admissions policy was fair; that it looked at each applicant “as a whole person,” consistent with standards established by the Supreme Court; and that it promoted “the ability to work with people from different backgrounds, life experiences and perspectives.”

Harvard’s class of 2021 is 14.6 percent African-American, 22.2 percent Asian-American, 11.6 percent Hispanic and 2.5 percent Native American or Pacific Islander, according to data on the university’s website.

For the Harvard case, initially filed in 2014, Mr. Blum said, the federal court in Boston has allowed the plaintiffs to demand records from four highly competitive high schools with large numbers of Asian-American students: Stuyvesant High School in New York; Monta Vista High School in the Silicon Valley city of Cupertino; Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, Va.; and the Boston Latin School.

The goal is to look at whether students with comparable qualifications have different odds of admission that could be correlated with race and how stereotypes influence the process. A Princeton study found that students who identify as Asian need to score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites to have the same chance of admission to private colleges, a difference some have called “the Asian tax.”

The lawsuit also cites Harvard’s Asian-American enrollment at 18 percent in 2013, and notes very similar numbers ranging from 14 to 18 percent at other Ivy League colleges, like Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton and Yale.


Source

In 2013 he tried the same thing in Texas, but with a white student with less that awesome grads. I love that the white house is diving in on this so we can get some more grievance politics and culture wars going. All over someone being unable to attend their first school of choice, but still getting into a top notch school. The injustice.

Edit: Interesting, there is a Chinese anti-affirmative action lobby, because they feel it gets in the way of their own children's ability to achieve.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
August 04 2017 17:42 GMT
#166017
Well I think it is definitely worth investigating to make sure the policy is actually doing what it is supposed to be doing. Just because you implement something, doesn't mean it actually work in the way you hoped to.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15717 Posts
August 04 2017 17:47 GMT
#166018
On August 05 2017 02:42 Falling wrote:
Well I think it is definitely worth investigating to make sure the policy is actually doing what it is supposed to be doing. Just because you implement something, doesn't mean it actually work in the way you hoped to.


Doesn't Europe have a pretty good record of pulling groups out of perpetual shittiness through affirmative action? I forget which group it was that actually went stellar.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 04 2017 17:51 GMT
#166019
On August 05 2017 02:42 Falling wrote:
Well I think it is definitely worth investigating to make sure the policy is actually doing what it is supposed to be doing. Just because you implement something, doesn't mean it actually work in the way you hoped to.

Of course we should observe any policy to see if it works. Do you really think that this Blum person is invested in improving or changing the policy? Or is his goal to destroy it?
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 04 2017 17:58 GMT
#166020
This is a great article on what DJT is doing and failing to do with regards to the Department of Energy. I can't wait to hear how Conservative Ethics justify the destruction of such a critical agency. Trump's loyalists have no idea what is happening and DJT's budgets are calling for big cuts to the DOE. 3 of 10 appointees have been nominated (Perry being 1 of them). DJT and his underlings and his cheerleaders are enemies of science and progress.

This was a loss. A lunch or two with the chief financial officer might have alerted the new administration to some of the terrifying risks they were leaving essentially unmanaged. Roughly half of the D.O.E.’s annual budget is spent on maintaining and guarding our nuclear arsenal, for instance. Two billion of that goes to hunting down weapons-grade plutonium and uranium at loose in the world so that it doesn’t fall into the hands of terrorists. In just the past eight years the D.O.E.’s National Nuclear Security Administration has collected enough material to make 160 nuclear bombs. The department trains every international atomic-energy inspector; if nuclear power plants around the world are not producing weapons-grade material on the sly by reprocessing spent fuel rods and recovering plutonium, it’s because of these people. The D.O.E. also supplies radiation-detection equipment to enable other countries to detect bomb material making its way across national borders. To maintain the nuclear arsenal, it conducts endless, wildly expensive experiments on tiny amounts of nuclear material to try to understand what is actually happening to plutonium when it fissions, which, amazingly, no one really does. To study the process, it is funding what promises to be the next generation of supercomputers, which will in turn lead God knows where.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis
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