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Simberto
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2017 22:44 Simberto wrote: It is also a result of determining the quality of an attorney solely by looking at their success rate. And judging the quality of police by the number of arrests. It is sad that the US still holds on to this archaic metrics. | ||
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Orome
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ShoCkeyy
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President Donald Trump collaborated with Fox News to concoct a story claiming a Democratic National Committee staffer was killed in retaliation for furnishing information damaging to Hillary Clinton to Wikileaks, according to a lawsuit by a private investigator for the slain man’s family. Rod Wheeler -- the investigator, a former Washington police detective, and an occasional Fox News contributor -- claims in his lawsuit that the president read the Fox story before it was published and suggested the insertion of quotes falsely attributed to Wheeler supporting the story’s premise. Trump wanted the story published to divert attention from the widening investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia, Wheeler claims. Bolded the keyword since "claims" isn't fact yet, but yea it does seem plausible. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Plansix
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Washington (AP) -- A conservative House Republican is calling on special counsel Robert Mueller to resign. He is citing what he says is a conflict of interest because of Mueller's "close friendship" with fired FBI Director James Comey. The argument from Arizona Rep. Trent Franks, a member of the Judiciary Committee, echoes that of President Donald Trump in an effort to question Mueller's credentials for the job. Mueller, appointed after Trump abruptly fired Comey, is investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election and possible ties to Trump's campaign. Franks said in a statement that Mueller "must resign to maintain the integrity of the investigation into alleged Russian ties." Source Really? How much is he getting for making that claim? | ||
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Plansix
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On August 01 2017 23:31 Plansix wrote: There are over 400 members of house. Some of them are idiots who introduce bills to abolish the CBO. Some of them say stuff like this. At this time? When all Mueller is doing, is collecting information to see if he has a case? The CBO complaint happens more often than a president being investigated for collusion and obstruction of justice. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 01 2017 23:25 Plansix wrote: The story came from NPR first and it sounds like a lot of these claims are backed up by documents in the lawsuit. Wheeler is a bit of a joke, but everyone else involved with that is also a clown that likely left email chains a mile long. i cackle when i hear about incriminating emails. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15727 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:30 Mohdoo wrote: I think this idea that Trump told Jr what to say is really, really big. Bigger than it seems. This is the first time there is a solid story on this that has Trump directly mixed in with the messaging. It certainly throws Trump into the mix a lot more directly than it has until now. This story piqued my interest as well - though more for the commentary that Trump ignored his legal experts. That is the downfall of many an arrogant egomaniac that sees him/herself above the law. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:30 Mohdoo wrote: I think this idea that Trump told Jr what to say is really, really big. Bigger than it seems. This is the first time there is a solid story on this that has Trump directly mixed in with the messaging. It certainly throws Trump into the mix a lot more directly than it has until now. I can't help but think there is a good reason this is all being done so slowly and methodically. Trump knew all about the meeting. Tweeted about Hillary's missing emails literally minutes after both its confirmation and its conclusion. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:36 Doodsmack wrote: Trump knew all about the meeting. Tweeted about Hillary's missing emails literally minutes after both its confirmation and its conclusion. I think that's the biggest thing to take away from this. Trump is a pathological liar. I get it, politicians lie when they can get away with it, or more accurately, try to "warp a story". The entire Trump clan blatantly lies to their (perceived) advantage though. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
As to the core merits, there could be some juice to the defamation claim, but I want to see the response first. | ||
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LegalLord
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:55 xDaunt wrote: Have any of you read the Rod Wheeler complaint? The thing reads like a disaster. It just gratuitously throws a whole bunch of shit at the wall regarding Trump and Fox corporate operations to grab attention and headlines. As far as I can tell, there's no allegation that Trump made up the false quotes that are at issue. The journalist who wrote the article sent a draft to Trump to look at it, Trump liked what he saw, and told the journalist to publish it as soon as possible. And here's the big tell: there's no claim being asserted against Trump or any administration official. No defamation. No civil conspiracy. No civil rights claim. The attorney saw fit to include a racial discrimination component against Fox, but left out claims against the Administration. Yeah.... As to the core merits, there could be some juice to the defamation claim, but I want to see the response first. no, I have not read it. I'm mostly inclined to wait to hear if anything further comes of it; claims come up all the time. until we get an actual finding or settlement, or some well sourced documents, it doesn't mean much. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:55 xDaunt wrote: Have any of you read the Rod Wheeler complaint? The thing reads like a disaster. It just gratuitously throws a whole bunch of shit at the wall regarding Trump and Fox corporate operations to grab attention and headlines. As far as I can tell, there's no allegation that Trump made up the false quotes that are at issue. The journalist who wrote the article sent a draft to Trump to look at it, Trump liked what he saw, and told the journalist to publish it as soon as possible. And here's the big tell: there's no claim being asserted against Trump or any administration official. No defamation. No civil conspiracy. No civil rights claim. The attorney saw fit to include a racial discrimination component against Fox, but left out claims against the Administration. Yeah.... As to the core merits, there could be some juice to the defamation claim, but I want to see the response first. I never cared about the complaint being successful or its merits. The part where a news network is screening it stories for the White House is the part I’m interested in. Sometimes directly to the president himself. Of course, journalist will give someone a heads up a story is about to be published about them. But in this case, the story was completely unrelated to the White House, but they got a first pass at it. That and the Trump supporter who pushed Fox to jump on this fake story right around the time Russia was blasting through the news. Who cares about Wheeler? | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 02 2017 00:56 LegalLord wrote: Trump is a truly shameless opportunist who put personal gain before country when it came to his presidential run. That much alone isn't surprising, but he is more blatant, less competent, and more confident of his ability to get away with it, having been raised in the life of a shitty rich person. | ||
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