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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 31 2017 23:59 GMT
#165301
On August 01 2017 08:55 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 08:46 mozoku wrote:
On August 01 2017 06:53 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


No, the only sad about this story is him getting hired in the first place.
He knew the mess he was getting into, he made those statements knowingly.
Why should I feel sorry that some guy knowingly threw his life away for 15min of fame?

Why should I pay more in taxes than the doofuses who spent more time partying in college than studying and consequently now have a lower income? Or the ones who couldn't finish high school that I wasn't even able to watch party through college?

The tirade Scaramucci was fired for wasn't meant to be published. It was more idiotic blunder in not realizing the reporter would take it to press than anything else. Colorful language is part of the company/team culture in some (relatively rare) corners of finance.

Trump likely greenlit his aggressive behavior, had him report directly to Trump, then threw him out after he sold his company and had his wife divorce him.

I'm not arguing the guy's an angel, but I have a little sympathy for him. And the "why should I feel sorry for bad decisions?" line rings quite hollow from a leftist to a conservative-leaning individual when I'm constantly expected to give up a portion of my income to have it redistributed to the groups I highlighted above.

Any law firm I have worked at would have fired even our most senior attorney if they ever acted close to how that clown acted. That is not how the majority of the professional world functions and not how Washington functions.

And no one should have that job and not know that all discussions with reporters are on the record unless the reporter says otherwise. Straight up, that is the most amateur mistake possible.

Not to burst your bubble, but what Scaramucci did wasn't enough to deep-six a partner who brings home the bacon at a law firm.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 01 2017 00:03 GMT
#165302
I agree with the message but not the messenger regarding Flake.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 00:05 GMT
#165303
On August 01 2017 08:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 08:55 Plansix wrote:
On August 01 2017 08:46 mozoku wrote:
On August 01 2017 06:53 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/892093579195281408

No, the only sad about this story is him getting hired in the first place.
He knew the mess he was getting into, he made those statements knowingly.
Why should I feel sorry that some guy knowingly threw his life away for 15min of fame?

Why should I pay more in taxes than the doofuses who spent more time partying in college than studying and consequently now have a lower income? Or the ones who couldn't finish high school that I wasn't even able to watch party through college?

The tirade Scaramucci was fired for wasn't meant to be published. It was more idiotic blunder in not realizing the reporter would take it to press than anything else. Colorful language is part of the company/team culture in some (relatively rare) corners of finance.

Trump likely greenlit his aggressive behavior, had him report directly to Trump, then threw him out after he sold his company and had his wife divorce him.

I'm not arguing the guy's an angel, but I have a little sympathy for him. And the "why should I feel sorry for bad decisions?" line rings quite hollow from a leftist to a conservative-leaning individual when I'm constantly expected to give up a portion of my income to have it redistributed to the groups I highlighted above.

Any law firm I have worked at would have fired even our most senior attorney if they ever acted close to how that clown acted. That is not how the majority of the professional world functions and not how Washington functions.

And no one should have that job and not know that all discussions with reporters are on the record unless the reporter says otherwise. Straight up, that is the most amateur mistake possible.

Not to burst your bubble, but what Scaramucci did wasn't enough to deep-six a partner who brings home the bacon at a law firm.

I am sure there is some attorney out there that pulls in enough to make risk of a hostile work environment settlement worth it. I've never worked for a firm that shitty. Lucky for me.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 00:07 GMT
#165304
On August 01 2017 08:58 Introvert wrote:
Flake is a flaky as needs be, he ran AS a Tea Party senator. But he's up for re-election in a more and more purplish state with a large Hispanic population. This is full-on CYA mode. And his tone at time reminds me of some of the more pretentious never-trumpers.

He never supported Trump and also punished the book in an election year. I give him credit for doing it at a time when there is something at risk. It would be easy to delay it until after 2018.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:09:17
August 01 2017 00:08 GMT
#165305
Sacking priebus was a big mistake I think. And sacking scaramucci within 10 days,how can you do that?
This administration wont make it till the end of this year for sure.

There also is the thread of a conflict between the usa and the eu now. The new rusian sanctions that where approved by congress,they where imposed without negotiating or talking about it with other nato members. Germany amongst others is not particulary happy with them and is thinking about counter measures. Its not only trump who is driving a wedge in the alliance.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:09:19
August 01 2017 00:08 GMT
#165306
On August 01 2017 09:03 LegalLord wrote:
I agree with the message but not the messenger regarding Flake.


Pretty much. Flake will randomly say really reasonable and even headed things, but then vote like a madman. Still, it's a breath of fresh air from a Republican senator atm. Hopefully some others take this to heart.

Never would have thought it would be the two Arizona senators to hit the breaks on Trump.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:26:31
August 01 2017 00:19 GMT
#165307




"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 01 2017 00:22 GMT
#165308
On August 01 2017 09:19 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/892170318529404931

He's knees deep in the mud with the rest of them
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:31:05
August 01 2017 00:25 GMT
#165309
Flake's not that popular in Arizona and it is a state with a rising latino population. He probably thought this would help his reelection chances. Other than the fact that he wants to break up the 9th court of appeals into 2 I have zero knowledge of his politics.


"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:36:45
August 01 2017 00:32 GMT
#165310
Woops misread date on a tweet

in replacement there is this highly ironic tweet from today:
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:47:05
August 01 2017 00:41 GMT
#165311
edit: Oops.

This is well... awkward...

New White House chief of staff John Kelly was so upset with how President Donald Trump handled the firing of FBI Director James Comey that Kelly called Comey afterward and said he was considering resigning, according to two sources familiar with a conversation between Kelly and Comey.

Both sources cautioned that it was unclear how serious Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security, was about resigning himself.

"John was angry and hurt by what he saw and the way (Comey) was treated," one of the sources said.

Comey learned of his dismissal on May 9 from televisions tuned to the news as he was addressing the workforce at the FBI office in Los Angeles, law enforcement sources said at the time. Comey made a joke about it to lighten the mood and called his office to get confirmation.

Comey, who took Kelly's call while traveling back from Los Angeles to Washington, responded to Kelly by telling him not to resign, one of the sources said.

The sources said Comey and Kelly are not close friends but that they had a professional relationship and a deep mutual respect for each other.

Comey declined to comment for this story. The White House and the Department of Homeland Security have not responded to requests for comment.

Trump announced Friday that Kelly would replace Reince Priebus as chief of staff, the latest in a series of staff moves aiming to reset the White House's communications and agenda efforts.

A permanent replacement for Comey as FBI director is expected soon when the full Senate votes on the nomination of Christopher Wray, who cleared the judiciary committee with unanimous support.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 01 2017 01:02 GMT
#165312
On August 01 2017 08:06 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 08:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Huh. Trump has gone from -12% net overall approval in Rasmussen on July 3rd to -21% today. Approve dropped 5 points, disapprove rose 5 (rounded numbers). This isn't the trend we see in other polls in July (which I find kind of interesting) where Trump is basically holding steady with maybe a 2 point gap opening up.

I wonder what that says about the Rasmussen sample and methodology vs. other pollsters (or if it's more about the lack of a "no opinion" option in Rasmussen). Maybe it's all just idiosyncratic small numbers stuff, too.

Rasmussen uses a likely voter model, which heavily amplifies GOP voters.


Trump shifting in the eyes of those voters is a pretty bad bellweather for him. Maybe he's copping more blame for the healthcare debacle among his base than he hoped (or I thought he would).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 01:05 GMT
#165313
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 01:09:13
August 01 2017 01:08 GMT
#165314
So, from what I've heard on Flake, he voted in favor the skinny repeal, is that right?
Trained politicians are skilled at using pretty words, but his voting record doesn't seem to backup the rhetoric he used there.
while I still appluad the rhetoric for its good tone; if he's not backing it up with his votes in the Senate is not so good.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 01 2017 01:22 GMT
#165315
On August 01 2017 10:08 zlefin wrote:
So, from what I've heard on Flake, he voted in favor the skinny repeal, is that right?
Trained politicians are skilled at using pretty words, but his voting record doesn't seem to backup the rhetoric he used there.
while I still appluad the rhetoric for its good tone; if he's not backing it up with his votes in the Senate is not so good.

Yeah, this was pretty much what I gathered from researching after reading his Politico article. His op-ed seems to paint him as a reasonable conservative, by DC metrics at least, but then you have to consider that 1) he voted to repeal ACA at least twice, including last week's skinny repeal, and 2) he's up for reelection. So with both points considered, it's not surprising he's trying to appear more moderate and makes me take what he claims in writing with a grain of salt.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 01:59 GMT
#165316
Political strategists, take note: For the first time, millennials and Gen Xers outvoted their elders in 2016, according to data from the Pew Research Center.

Fully 69.6 million millennials (defined as people who were 18 to 35 in 2016) and members of Generation X (ages 36 to 51) cast votes in 2016, according to a Pew analysis of data from the Census Bureau. By comparison, 67.9 million baby boomers and members of older generations voted.

This is the culmination of a steady march of the young electorate slowly catching up to the middle-aged and elderly electorates in terms of size.

It's not exactly surprising news — more and more millennials have been hitting voting age all the time, while boomers and older Americans are dying off.

But it is nevertheless an important reminder to parties and politicians that a shifting electorate could mean shifting strategies for future campaigns.

For now, the growing number of younger voters may seem like a problem for Republicans. Younger voters are significantly more likely to identify as Democratic than older cohorts, according to 2016 data from Pew. That year, 55 percent of millennials identified as Democratic or leaned Democratic. That share dropped off in each successive older generation — and the share of Republicans grew in each successive generation.

But then, there could be a bright spot or two for conservatives. For example, a 2016 study found that at high school graduation, millennials (defined in this study as being born between 1980 and 1994, so this wouldn't include 2016's youngest voters) were more likely to identify as conservative than Generation X or baby boomers were at the same age.

If anything, millennials may be more polarized than their parents and older siblings were when they were young. "Fewer 12th graders and entering college students identified as moderates in the 2010s compared to the late 1970s and 1980s and more identified as radical, very liberal, or very conservative," researchers wrote in that 2016 paper.

That kind of polarization may only intensify in coming years. In a blog post today at Demos, a left-leaning think tank, Sean McElwee points out that young Democratic primary voters and donors are both more liberal than other Democrats their age and more liberal than older primary voters and donors. All of that means that the Democratic Party will soon be pulled further left, McElwee predicts.

That liberalism was on display in 2016, when young voters in particular responded strongly to Bernie Sanders' socialist message. Indeed, some 2016 polls showed that millennials were more likely than older voters to view socialism favorably.

Political ideologies aside, a few other millennial traits will indubitably shape future politics.

For one thing, they're more diverse, according to a 2016 Brookings analysis — in particular, the younger the generation, the less white it is and the more Hispanic it is.

Millennials are also less religious than their elders, meaning that candidates who make their faith central to their political campaigns (think Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee) might find winning votes increasingly difficult in the future.

But longer-term, the question is how young voters' political preferences will change as they age. Conventional wisdom says that voters grow more conservative as they get older, and there is some evidence to back this up — by some polling, Gen X and baby boomer voters became less supportive of bigger government as they aged. But it's not clear to what degree the idea of conservatism growing with age is true — indeed, some recent research has called that into question on social issues in particular.

Not only that, but research has shown that events in Americans' early voting years tend to affect them for the rest of their voting lives (though this is more true for white than minority voters, according to a 2014 paper). If that's true, a deeply unpopular President Trump — particularly among today's young voters — might have lasting, negative reverberations for future Republicans.

One other major question for how millennials shape future elections is whether they increase their voting rates. Perhaps the most striking thing about Pew's new finding is that it didn't come sooner. In 2016, there were far more eligible young voters — 126 million in Gen X and millennials — than older voters, with nearly 98 million eligible between the boomer and silent generations.

But younger voters have only just now overtaken their elders because younger generations — and especially millennials — have lower voting rates than older generations, Pew also found. Only around half of millennials voted in 2016, compared with about two-thirds of older cohorts.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 02:21 GMT
#165317
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43195 Posts
August 01 2017 02:24 GMT
#165318
Didn't realize the reporter would take it to the press? That's like saying you thought it was fine to confess to a crime because you didn't think the officer would take it to the police.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 01 2017 02:25 GMT
#165319
On August 01 2017 09:19 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/892170318529404931



https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/892175173042008066


Doing everything he can to look guilty.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 02:27 GMT
#165320
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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