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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
August 01 2017 03:00 GMT
#165321
On August 01 2017 09:08 pmh wrote:
Sacking priebus was a big mistake I think. And sacking scaramucci within 10 days,how can you do that?
This administration wont make it till the end of this year for sure.

There also is the thread of a conflict between the usa and the eu now. The new rusian sanctions that where approved by congress,they where imposed without negotiating or talking about it with other nato members. Germany amongst others is not particulary happy with them and is thinking about counter measures. Its not only trump who is driving a wedge in the alliance.

I think he'll last until he resigns or his term is out. I think he's dead as a influencer on legislation the more the GOP realizes they need to distance themselves from him to win their seats for the midterm. His presidency never really started and being a lame duck is the best he can hope for

The EU has no foreign policy mandate and none of the countries have the ability to make any real influence on he world stage apart from Russia China or the US.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 03:03 GMT
#165322
A federal court told the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Monday that it has to enforce an Obama administration methane pollution rule.

The order from Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit came after the judges gave the agency a two-week reprieve from its ruling earlier in July that the EPA broke the law when it tried to delay enforcement earlier.

Despite the reprieve, the Trump administration has not asked for the entire 11-judge court to rehear its case, the standard next step for appealing a ruling for a three-judge panel.

But industry groups and conservative states opposed to the regulation did ask for the full-court repeal, so the judges will consider their request in the coming weeks.

The rule sets standards for the oil and natural gas drilling industry that aim to reduce emissions of methane, a potent greenhouse gas and the main component of natural gas.

It was a major part of former President Barack Obama’s second-term climate change agenda.

The D.C. Circuit Court ruled in early July that the Trump administration overstepped its authority under the Clean Air Act when it tried to unilaterally delay the rule while it works to repeal it.

The EPA is also working through the regulatory process to delay the regulation for an additional two years. It is gathering public comment until Aug. 9 and could make the delay final after that.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
August 01 2017 03:22 GMT
#165323
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 03:32 GMT
#165324
This part is the most damning, if accurate:

Trump, they say, is increasingly acting as his own lawyer, strategist and publicist, often disregarding the recommendations of the professionals he has hired.

“He refuses to sit still,” the presidential adviser said. “He doesn’t think he’s in any legal jeopardy, so he really views this as a political problem he is going to solve by himself.”

Trump has said that the Russia investigation is “the greatest witch hunt in political history,” calling it an elaborate hoax created by Democrats to explain why Clinton lost an election she should have won.

Because Trump believes he is innocent, some advisers explained, he therefore does not think he is at any legal risk for a coverup. In his mind, they said, there is nothing to conceal.


If he doesn't believe he can be charged at this point, then nothing is going to stop him from trying to obstruct the process further. And none of this has hit the grand jury stage. What will he do when we get there?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 01 2017 03:53 GMT
#165325
On August 01 2017 12:32 Plansix wrote:
This part is the most damning, if accurate:

Show nested quote +
Trump, they say, is increasingly acting as his own lawyer, strategist and publicist, often disregarding the recommendations of the professionals he has hired.

“He refuses to sit still,” the presidential adviser said. “He doesn’t think he’s in any legal jeopardy, so he really views this as a political problem he is going to solve by himself.”

Trump has said that the Russia investigation is “the greatest witch hunt in political history,” calling it an elaborate hoax created by Democrats to explain why Clinton lost an election she should have won.

Because Trump believes he is innocent, some advisers explained, he therefore does not think he is at any legal risk for a coverup. In his mind, they said, there is nothing to conceal.


If he doesn't believe he can be charged at this point, then nothing is going to stop him from trying to obstruct the process further. And none of this has hit the grand jury stage. What will he do when we get there?

This is the part I think we should be most thankful for. That someone who so deliberately embroiled himself in the scandal of the decade - I think I'm right in saying that at this point - is, through and through, a moron who thinks he's untouchable. Much better than for someone more competent to be 'accidentally' getting help from the Russians, at least this buffoon seems to be walking headlong into his own demise. And, hopefully, the voters learned a valuable lesson.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 04:39:09
August 01 2017 04:39 GMT
#165326
On August 01 2017 12:53 NewSunshine wrote:
And, hopefully, the voters learned a valuable lesson.

So optimistic.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 01 2017 04:45 GMT
#165327
On August 01 2017 13:39 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 12:53 NewSunshine wrote:
And, hopefully, the voters learned a valuable lesson.

So optimistic.

Well, some of them at least. I'm not totally delusional.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 06:33 GMT
#165328
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 01 2017 10:55 GMT
#165329
Uhhh...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45317 Posts
August 01 2017 11:53 GMT
#165330
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump received the legislation but casually tries to lose it. "Ummm, my dog ate my Russia bill?"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 01 2017 12:34 GMT
#165331
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11755 Posts
August 01 2017 12:40 GMT
#165332
And in this case, we have congress, who have been sending bills for years, and Trump, who has only done this shit for half a year, and appears to be very bad at it.

Betting on Trump being the problem sounds sound.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 13:24:13
August 01 2017 12:53 GMT
#165333


This headline buries the lead, which is that the Trump administration was aware that the story existed and was being run to provide cover for them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 13:02:35
August 01 2017 13:01 GMT
#165334
On August 01 2017 21:34 Adreme wrote:
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.


I dont know about USA but it defiently is a thing in some countries. In Poland there is a process for this. Someone needs to add/remove voted changes and amends, prepere the final form of bill and pass it over to president for signing. The president might have actual access to content of the bill before it is formally passed to him but needs to wait with signing until it happens. I imagine it might be similiar in US. IE. everyone knows whats in bill, but it hasent formally left congress yet.

Just guessing though.
Pathetic Greta hater.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 13:06:30
August 01 2017 13:05 GMT
#165335
On August 01 2017 22:01 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 21:34 Adreme wrote:
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.


I dont know about USA but it defiently is a thing in some countries. In Poland there is a process for this. Someone needs to add/remove voted changes and amends, prepere the final form of bill and pass it over to president for signing. The president might have actual access to content of the bill before it is formally passed to him but needs to wait with signing until it happens. I imagine it might be similiar in US. IE. everyone knows whats in bill, but it hasent formally left congress yet.

Just guessing though.


Congress has approved the bill like 98-0 or something like that. It's wrapped up and tied with a bow. There's some ceremonial stuff like printing it on nice paper but it doesn't take that long. Most likely Trump is just leaving it on his desk and hoping that it goes away somehow. Anyways, an enrolled bill becomes law after a certain period if the president doesn't sign it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 13:07 GMT
#165336
On August 01 2017 21:34 Adreme wrote:
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.

They set up a time to bring it over and have the president sign it. There is a whole system for bringing the bill over and having is formally signed into law. Of course, if they don’t make the phone call to set it up, but bill doesn’t get signed. But after 10 days(not counting Sunday) it is considered vetoed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Reivax
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden214 Posts
August 01 2017 13:09 GMT
#165337
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/magazine/she-was-convicted-of-killing-her-mother-prosecutors-withheld-the-evidence-that-would-have-freed-her.html

This is one of the most disturbing things I have read this year.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 01 2017 13:13 GMT
#165338
On August 01 2017 22:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 21:34 Adreme wrote:
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.

They set up a time to bring it over and have the president sign it. There is a whole system for bringing the bill over and having is formally signed into law. Of course, if they don’t make the phone call to set it up, but bill doesn’t get signed. But after 10 days(not counting Sunday) it is considered vetoed.


No, it's made law after 10 days, unless Congress is adjourned which results in a pocket veto. And if Trump tries any funny shit, Congress will just tell him to shove his pen somewhere uncomfortable and override him.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 01 2017 13:14 GMT
#165339
On August 01 2017 22:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 22:07 Plansix wrote:
On August 01 2017 21:34 Adreme wrote:
Is not receiving a bill even a thing? Like is that a real thing? It just does not seem like it makes any real sense.

They set up a time to bring it over and have the president sign it. There is a whole system for bringing the bill over and having is formally signed into law. Of course, if they don’t make the phone call to set it up, but bill doesn’t get signed. But after 10 days(not counting Sunday) it is considered vetoed.


No, it's made law after 10 days, unless Congress is adjourned which results in a pocket veto. And if Trump tries any funny shit, Congress will just tell him to shove his pen somewhere uncomfortable and override him.

Yeah, I just double checked that. My mistake.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1414 Posts
August 01 2017 13:26 GMT
#165340
On August 01 2017 22:09 Reivax wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/magazine/she-was-convicted-of-killing-her-mother-prosecutors-withheld-the-evidence-that-would-have-freed-her.html

This is one of the most disturbing things I have read this year.



That's law in the usa (and probably quiet a few other countries as well). Thx to scalia amongst others.
When they know that someone is innocent but they also know that they are able to get a conviction from the jury they will proceed. Its a very technical and philosophical approach to law,any human element is being removed
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