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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2014 22:17 GMT
#16381
WASHINGTON -– A group of 109 Democratic House members is urging the Obama administration to use its executive authority to protect new public land.

Under the Antiquities Act, the president can designate new national monuments without waiting for Congress to act. President Barack Obama has designated nine new monuments during his presidency. Congress, meanwhile, has gone a record amount of time without granting new protections for wilderness or other public land. The last congressional designation was in 2009.

“In today’s deeply partisan environment, it’s becoming nearly impossible for Congress to make critical conservation decisions," the House members, led by House Natural Resources Committee ranking member Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) and Public Lands Subcommittee ranking member Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), wrote in a letter to Interior Secretary Sally Jewell. "The 112th Congress was the first Congress in 40 years that failed to permanently protect any of America’s treasured landscapes. The current Congress is on a path to repeat that abysmal record."

The letter notes that the House Natural Resources Committee had hearings on eight of 37 proposed land designations in the 113th Congress, and only one was passed in the House. "With only 121 legislative days scheduled for 2014, the time to act is running out," the members said in a statement.


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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 11:56:57
January 26 2014 11:55 GMT
#16382
On January 24 2014 03:08 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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On January 24 2014 02:54 KwarK wrote:
Marxist problems with optimal resource and labour allocation without a profit incentive to find the correct routes could potentially be solved at some point by computing. It's not like the free market is especially efficient at it at present, there are plenty of overlapping competing businesses with supply beyond the saturation point of the market pursuing inefficient policies such as advertising to squeeze each other's market share. The free market is more efficient than a Soviet commissar, and certainly more innovative, but that's a fairly low benchmark. Individual businesses are themselves relying on computer models and profiling to plan their supply and logistics networks, it's not unreasonable to picture a future in which a sufficiently integrated computer with enough information could plan an entire economy.

Of course to many that would be a dystopian takeover by the machines but still, the free market is no longer the only mechanism for resource allocation and is likely to become increasingly dependent upon computer models anyway.

Computer models aren't separate from the market - they're part of it. And afaik you need market data to make them work.

Edit: in the future it could be different for sure. Like that ending in Deus Ex (my favorite!)


market models model some particular market using market data in their models. highly relevant if in the business of minimizing money spent in that partiuclar market provided it behaves nicely and does not blow up (cross your fingers, pray to god of profit).

irrelevant if you are trying to, say, and i apologize for putting my foot in my mouth so profusely in advance:
minimize labour in some economy satisfying constraints on commodities produced, environmental impact, etc...

it is in the future not due to technology being out of reach, but due to political inertia. reasons unkown, but i suspect it wouldn't go over well with people in the business of maximizing profit.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 26 2014 21:46 GMT
#16383
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who led the charge to tie a repeal of Obamacare to the bill to fund the government last year, on Sunday blamed the shutdown on Democrats.

"Throughout the government shutdown, I opposed a government shutdown. I said we shouldn't shut down the government," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "I think it was a mistake that President Obama and the Democrats shut the government down this fall."

Cruz said that Democrats supported the shutdown because it benefitted them politically.

"Right now the Democrats are telling you that they want another shutdown because they think it benefits them politically," he said. "So why is it hard to understand that they forced a shutdown when they think it benefits them politically?"

When asked if he would support a clean bill to increase the debt limit, Cruz said it would be "irresponsible."


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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22084 Posts
January 26 2014 22:12 GMT
#16384
On January 27 2014 06:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who led the charge to tie a repeal of Obamacare to the bill to fund the government last year, on Sunday blamed the shutdown on Democrats.

"Throughout the government shutdown, I opposed a government shutdown. I said we shouldn't shut down the government," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "I think it was a mistake that President Obama and the Democrats shut the government down this fall."

Cruz said that Democrats supported the shutdown because it benefitted them politically.

"Right now the Democrats are telling you that they want another shutdown because they think it benefits them politically," he said. "So why is it hard to understand that they forced a shutdown when they think it benefits them politically?"

When asked if he would support a clean bill to increase the debt limit, Cruz said it would be "irresponsible."


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Are citizens of Magic Christmas Land allowed to be US senators?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 27 2014 04:57 GMT
#16385
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday said that he doesn't believe that there is a "war on women," and instead said he sees women becoming more and more successful.

"This whole sort of 'war on women' sort of thing, I'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, I think they won," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's comments last week on women's libidos.

Paul said that the women in his family are incredibly successful, and don't complain about their place in society.

"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

The senator joked that he worries more about young men than about young women.


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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
January 27 2014 17:07 GMT
#16386
I think it's kind of a mixed bag on the inequality that women and men face though I tend to think that men do still have a few more advantages.
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 17:10:03
January 27 2014 17:09 GMT
#16387
Article about the wealth gap.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — From the White House to the Vatican to the business elite in Davos, Switzerland, one issue keeps seizing the agenda: the growing gap between the very wealthy and everyone else.

It's "the defining challenge of our time," says President Barack Obama, who will spotlight the issue in his State of the Union address Tuesday night. A Gallup poll finds two-thirds of Americans are unhappy with the nation's distribution of wealth. Experts say it may be slowing the economy.

Why has the issue suddenly galvanized attention? Here are questions and answers about the wealth gap — what it is and why it matters.

Q. Hasn't there always been a wide gulf between the richest people and the poorest?

A. Yes. What's new is the widening gap between the wealthiest and everyone else. Three decades ago, Americans' income tended to grow at roughly similar rates, no matter how much you made. But since roughly 1980, income has grown most for the top earners. For the poorest 20 percent of families, it's dropped. Incomes for the highest-earning 1 percent of Americans soared 31 percent from 2009 through 2012, after adjusting for inflation, according to data compiled by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at University of California, Berkeley. For the rest of us, it inched up an average of 0.4 percent. In 17 of 22 developed countries, income disparity widened in the past two decades, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Q. So who are the top 1 percent in income?

A. They're bankers, lawyers, hedge fund managers, founders of successful companies, entertainers, senior managers and others. One trend: Corporate executives, doctors, and farmers made up smaller shares of the top 1 percent in 2005 than in 1979. By contrast, the proportion of the wealthiest who work in the financial and real estate industries has doubled. The top 1 percent earned at least $394,000 in 2012. Through most of the post-World War II era, the top 1 percent earned about 10 percent of all income. By 2007, that figure had jumped to 23.5 percent, the most since 1928. As of 2012, it was 22.5 percent.

Q. How has the middle class fared?

A. Not well. Median household income peaked in 1999 at $56,080, adjusted for inflation. It fell to $51,017 by 2012. The percentage of American households with income within 50 percent of the median — one way of measuring the middle class — fell from 50 percent in 1970 to 42 percent in 2010.

Q. Does it matter if some people are much richer than others?

A. Most economists say some inequality is needed to reward hard work, talent and innovation. But a wealth gap that's too wide is usually unhealthy. It can slow economic growth, in part because richer Americans save more of their income than do others. Pay concentrated at the top is less likely to be spent.

It can also trigger reckless borrowing. Before the 2008 financial crisis, middle class households struggled to keep up their spending even as their pay stagnated. To do so, they piled up debt. Swelling debt helped inflate the housing bubble and ignite the financial crisis. Experts note that the Great Depression and the Great Recession were both preceded by surging income gaps and heedless borrowing by middle class Americans.

Q. Has it become harder for someone born poor to become rich?

A. The evidence is mixed. Countries that have more equal income distributions, such as Sweden and other Scandinavian countries, tend to enjoy more social mobility. But a study released last week found that the United States isn't any less mobile than it was in the 1970s. A child born in the poorest 20 percent of families in 1986 had a 9 percent chance of reaching the top 20 percent as an adult, the study found — roughly the same odds as in 1971.

Other research has shown that the United States isn't as socially mobile as once thought. In a study of 22 countries, economist Miles Corak of the University of Ottawa found that the United States ranked 15th in social mobility. Only Italy and the Britain among wealthy countries ranked lower. By some measures, children in the United States are as likely to inherit their parents' economic status as their height.

Q. So why has income inequality worsened?

A. There's no simple answer. Globalization has created "superstars" and concentrated pay among corporate executives, Wall Street traders, popular entertainers and other financial elite. At the same time, factory workers now compete with 3 billion people in China, India, eastern Europe and elsewhere who weren't working for multinational corporations 20 years ago. Many now make products for Apple, Intel, General Motors and others at low wages. This has depressed middle-class pay. And pay has risen much faster for college graduates than for high-school graduates. These trends have contributed to a "hollowed out" labor market, with more jobs at the higher and lower ends of the pay scale and fewer in the middle.

Social factors contribute, too. Single-parent families are more likely to be poor than other families and less likely to ascend the income ladder. Finally, men and women with college degrees and high pay are more likely to marry each other and amplify income gaps.

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Q. Does wealth distribution follow a similar pattern?

A. It's even more pronounced. A Pew Research Center study found that the wealthiest 7 percent of households grew 28 percent richer from 2009 through 2011. For the bottom 93 percent, collective wealth fell 4 percent. That's largely because wealthy households own far more stocks and other financial assets than others. By contrast, whatever wealth middle-class Americans have is mainly in their home equity.

Since the Great Recession ended, stock-market averages have soared, setting records in 2013. Home values, though, remain far below their peaks reached in 2006. That divergence has benefited the richest and left others struggling.

Q. Where do the 1 percent live?

A. Investor Warren Buffett famously lives in Omaha, Neb. Les Wexner, whose fashion empire includes Victoria's Secret, is an Ohioan. But the wealthy mainly cluster around the largest cities. Of the 515 U.S. billionaires, 96 live around New York City, according to the intelligence firm Wealth-X. Los Angeles is home to 22, Chicago 21, San Francisco 20, Houston 14. Millionaires are more widely dispersed. Maryland has the highest concentration. Of all its households, 7.7 percent have $1 million or more in financial assets. New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii and Alaska have the next-highest concentrations, according to a report from Phoenix Marketing International.

Q. Is anything being done to narrow the wealth gap?

A. President Barack Obama has made the issue a priority and wants the government to act to reduce the disparities. The president managed to restore higher tax rates on incomes above $398,350 last year. And he's pushed other steps that might narrow the gap slightly, such as a higher minimum wage. But congressional Republicans say those steps could hurt economic growth and have resisted most such measures.

Q. Is everyone concerned about the wealth gap?

A. Some conservative economists question much of the data. They note, for example, that Saez's figures don't include government benefits, such as Social Security or food stamps, or employer payments for health insurance, that benefit the less-than-rich. Yet the Congressional Budget Office did include government benefits and the effect of taxes in its own study and still found a sizable gap: For the top 1 percent, income jumped 275 percent, adjusted for inflation, from 1979 to 2007. For the middle 60 percent of Americans, it grew less than 40 percent.

Q. So what do experts say is the best way to shrink the wealth gap?

A. Most ideas break down along political lines. Liberal economists tend to support a higher minimum wage, greater access to pre-school and college education and more spending on roads, bridges and other infrastructure to help generate good-paying jobs. Most favor higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for such programs.

Conservatives tend to back tax cuts, government deregulation and other steps they say will accelerate hiring and growth and raise living standards for everyone. They tend to focus on the need to advance income mobility.

In a speech this month, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio acknowledged the enormous pay disparity between a fast food company's cashier and its CEO.

"The problem we face is not simply the gap in pay between them, but rather that too many of those cashiers are stuck in the same job for years on end," Rubio said.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 27 2014 17:12 GMT
#16388
omg stealthblue please stop posting things like that it just makes me mad.
Those quotes sound like they came out of the mouth of a Daily Show correspondent.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 27 2014 17:30 GMT
#16389
Also a current Snowden interview a few days old:

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 27 2014 17:35 GMT
#16390
On January 27 2014 13:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday said that he doesn't believe that there is a "war on women," and instead said he sees women becoming more and more successful.

"This whole sort of 'war on women' sort of thing, I'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, I think they won," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's comments last week on women's libidos.

Paul said that the women in his family are incredibly successful, and don't complain about their place in society.

"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

The senator joked that he worries more about young men than about young women.


Source

Hell, when you look at higher-education admissions statistics, he has a point.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 17:46:14
January 27 2014 17:42 GMT
#16391
On January 28 2014 02:35 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 13:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday said that he doesn't believe that there is a "war on women," and instead said he sees women becoming more and more successful.

"This whole sort of 'war on women' sort of thing, I'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, I think they won," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's comments last week on women's libidos.

Paul said that the women in his family are incredibly successful, and don't complain about their place in society.

"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

The senator joked that he worries more about young men than about young women.


Source

Hell, when you look at higher-education admissions statistics, he has a point.

come on man, the tone of it is just so smug and ignorant.
"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

As if the daughters of congressmen are gonna be the most exposed to sexism.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
January 27 2014 17:46 GMT
#16392
On January 28 2014 02:35 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 13:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday said that he doesn't believe that there is a "war on women," and instead said he sees women becoming more and more successful.

"This whole sort of 'war on women' sort of thing, I'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, I think they won," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's comments last week on women's libidos.

Paul said that the women in his family are incredibly successful, and don't complain about their place in society.

"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

The senator joked that he worries more about young men than about young women.


Source

Hell, when you look at higher-education admissions statistics, he has a point.

Shouldn't he love that? Isn't everyone suppose to learn a trade anyway?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 27 2014 17:46 GMT
#16393
On January 28 2014 02:42 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 02:35 xDaunt wrote:
On January 27 2014 13:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Sunday said that he doesn't believe that there is a "war on women," and instead said he sees women becoming more and more successful.

"This whole sort of 'war on women' sort of thing, I'm scratching my head because if there was a war on women, I think they won," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's comments last week on women's libidos.

Paul said that the women in his family are incredibly successful, and don't complain about their place in society.

"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

The senator joked that he worries more about young men than about young women.


Source

Hell, when you look at higher-education admissions statistics, he has a point.

come on man, the tone of it is just so smug and ignorant.
Show nested quote +
"The women in my family are incredibly successful," he said. "I don't hear them saying, 'Oh woe is me, this terrible misogynist world.'"

Smug, maybe. Ignorant? I don't think so. If you want to take issue with his citation to anecdotal evidence, fine, but he still has a valid point.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 17:51:54
January 27 2014 17:48 GMT
#16394
Ofc the daughters of congressmen are not gonna be exposed to sexism as much as women with fewer social advantages.

What bothers me is how his tone simply dismiss' the issue. its not like sexism stops being an issue because there are more women in college now.

I dont know/care enough about the issue to bother searching for evidence but Im gonna go waaaaaaaaay out on a limb and say that women still have less advantages then men in our society.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43557 Posts
January 27 2014 17:51 GMT
#16395
We're all treating the man as if he's an idiot. Surely that was just taken out of context and was just part of a broader new policy in which millions of the most vulnerable American women will be born the daughters of Congressman to bring in a new aspirational era for all Americans. We're missing the broader relevance that would have to be there for his comment to have any meaning at all, there must be some.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 27 2014 21:27 GMT
#16396
I think you'd have a damn hard time trying to prove that one sex has it better than the other.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 27 2014 22:54 GMT
#16397
On January 28 2014 06:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I think you'd have a damn hard time trying to prove that one sex has it better than the other.

seems pretty easy actually
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 27 2014 23:22 GMT
#16398
On January 28 2014 07:54 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I think you'd have a damn hard time trying to prove that one sex has it better than the other.

seems pretty easy actually

men overpowered, women too weak, david kim fix pls!
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
CrazedNight
Profile Joined October 2011
United States65 Posts
January 27 2014 23:52 GMT
#16399
On January 28 2014 07:54 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I think you'd have a damn hard time trying to prove that one sex has it better than the other.

seems pretty easy actually

Can you do it, then?
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
January 28 2014 00:48 GMT
#16400
On January 28 2014 07:54 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I think you'd have a damn hard time trying to prove that one sex has it better than the other.

seems pretty easy actually

Actually I don't think so. There really aren't many (any?) rights in the US that women have yet to gain that I know of. For every societal factor that favors men I'd say there are just about as many factors that favor women. And I really hope you aren't going to turn to the wage gap as if that proves anything, because if anything it shows that women tend to pick lifestyles where they are in positions to earn less money. The one substantial inequity that I think remains is in leadership of big corporations - and as the old boys get cycled out, it will probably correct itself naturally.

And please, why do liberal politicians want so many more college graduates? The REASON that high school degrees mean nothing now is because every average joe is going to college and graduating these days. Education should be possible for all but if you really want to make things better: stop making universities fucking waterparks, lower tuition, have more and cheaper options for R/B and abolish mandatory first year RB, change the way education loans work (protip: if they were hard to get universities would not charge nearly as much), think of some way to cull the ballooning administration at universities... Sending more people to college may increase the liberal voting base but it will not solve any problems.
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