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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 07 2017 18:42 GMT
#160601
On July 08 2017 03:39 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:




They probably said something like "A man as well educated and smart and deliberate as you can clearly see we had nothing to do with the election interference" and then Trump just ate it up because the sentence contained praise of him.

'clearly our intelligence agencies were wrong, Putin said so and he would never lie'
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
July 07 2017 18:42 GMT
#160602
On July 08 2017 03:39 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/883384010390605824

https://twitter.com/ap/status/883381310173179905


They probably said something like "A man as well educated and smart and deliberate as you can clearly see we had nothing to do with the election interference" and then Trump just ate it up because the sentence contained praise of him.

what else could possibly come of that meeting though? Put in cop to russian interference? certainly not. so assuming Putin will deny it, what's next? would you have Trump call him a liar to his face and have that reported worldwide? what benefit would that have?

so then where's the line between accepting Putin's statement and.. we'll, what? nodding disapprovingly? a coy scowl? i can't see any other way out of such a meeting than thanking Vlad for his assurances.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 07 2017 18:44 GMT
#160603
On July 08 2017 03:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:12 IyMoon wrote:
I missed the Poland speech, does anyone have any highlights? How was it received? Can I go back in this thread and see something on it?


White nationalists and neo Nazis were ecstatic (this is a fact).

Similar to the (FACT!) communist party's head wanting his party's members to vote Clinton, you must examine whether or not it was incidental (or you're morally equal with people that say Hillary makes commies happy). The closest this speech got to that was talking about national identity, which some far right sources equate with white European identity and all that bullshit. It was vaguely populist, usual civilization conflict framing of the modern era (common among pundits, rare among presidents recently) and I personally happen to agree with that underlying argument. Trump, however, probably doesn't have a clue about the import of what he said beyond it sounding tough and likely to make left-wing outlets screech (on issues he thinks he has a clear win). Props to the speechwriter, if only we had a better president to understand it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 18:56 GMT
#160604






The messaging out of this meeting is off to a roaring start.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 07 2017 19:09 GMT
#160605




A cyber security working group with Russia

Interesting to see if something meaningful happens with Syria
Neosteel Enthusiast
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46691 Posts
July 07 2017 19:11 GMT
#160606
On July 08 2017 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:39 Adreme wrote:
On July 08 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/883384010390605824

https://twitter.com/ap/status/883381310173179905


They probably said something like "A man as well educated and smart and deliberate as you can clearly see we had nothing to do with the election interference" and then Trump just ate it up because the sentence contained praise of him.

'clearly our intelligence agencies were wrong, Putin said so and he would never lie'


Why didn't we think to ask Putin in the first place! Obviously, people don't lie.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 19:15 GMT
#160607
On July 08 2017 04:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/883386143156383747

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883379158264553472

A cyber security working group with Russia

Interesting to see if something meaningful happens with Syria

Our goals in Syria are completely opposed, so I doubt it. Also there is that pesky issue of what Assad does after he regains power, AKA: funding anti-western terrorism. And I’m sure the CIA/NSA are very interested in working with Russia.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
July 07 2017 19:16 GMT
#160608
On July 08 2017 03:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/tamarakeithnpr/status/883395932867276801

https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/883390576346845185

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/883388750532882432

The messaging out of this meeting is off to a roaring start.


I don't see Trump doing anything the MIC doesn't approve of. Maybe giving them back some properties for his own personal gain in Russia, but nothing particularly significant.

Wish the media/Democrats wanted to know how we can stop ~20 veterans a day from killing themselves nearly as much as they wanted to know what happened between Trump and Putin.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 07 2017 19:24 GMT
#160609
On July 08 2017 03:39 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/883384010390605824

https://twitter.com/ap/status/883381310173179905


They probably said something like "A man as well educated and smart and deliberate as you can clearly see we had nothing to do with the election interference" and then Trump just ate it up because the sentence contained praise of him.


Wouldn't be surprised if Putin played to Trump feeling hurt by the press. Some reporters did hear Putin saying "are these the ones who insulted you" while pointing at them. Trump's psychology is on full display for other countries to analyze.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 19:25 GMT
#160610
On July 08 2017 04:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/tamarakeithnpr/status/883395932867276801

https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/883390576346845185

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/883388750532882432

The messaging out of this meeting is off to a roaring start.


I don't see Trump doing anything the MIC doesn't approve of. Maybe giving them back some properties for his own personal gain in Russia, but nothing particularly significant.

Wish the media/Democrats wanted to know how we can stop ~20 veterans a day from killing themselves nearly as much as they wanted to know what happened between Trump and Putin.

We didn’t hear about Russia for most of the time the healthcare bill was being slammed through congress. This is the G20 and meetings of world leaders are going to command the headlines. And I heard a story on NRP this week about vets, so that is getting covered too.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-07 19:31:16
July 07 2017 19:30 GMT
#160611
On July 08 2017 04:24 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 03:39 Adreme wrote:
On July 08 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/883384010390605824

https://twitter.com/ap/status/883381310173179905


They probably said something like "A man as well educated and smart and deliberate as you can clearly see we had nothing to do with the election interference" and then Trump just ate it up because the sentence contained praise of him.


Wouldn't be surprised if Putin played to Trump feeling hurt by the press. Some reporters did hear Putin saying "are these the ones who insulted you" while pointing at them. Trump's psychology is on full display for other countries to analyze.

On camera:



google translate of the text: "These people offended you?": Putin and Trump discussed at a meeting of journalists

Such a good chemistry, just look at them laugh at the journalists
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 19:31 GMT
#160612
Special reminder that Putin has had journalist assassinated.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 07 2017 19:35 GMT
#160613
Oh hey, it's the guy who signs my paychecks. Sounds like he did a great job with Trump.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 19:39 GMT
#160614
Ok, now I want all spies, moles and Russian operatives to be paid in checks from a weird credit union, signed Vlad. P. That needs to happen to assume me.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-07 19:50:51
July 07 2017 19:49 GMT
#160615
On July 08 2017 02:57 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:16 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2017 00:22 Nevuk wrote:


Other reporters have confirmed that women now need to be wearing sleeves to be allowed in. Apparently it is Paul Ryan's policy.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-sleeveless-dresses-appropriate-attire-congress-doesnt-think-so/


Edit : Apparently this has been policy since Tip O'Neal and Pelosi was criticized for not overturning it.


That's such a dumb rule. Now shoulders are taboo?

I don't know how appropriate 'now' is since it's been the rule for decades/centuries.

What the actual fuck? Why are you expressing that you doubt that showing shoulders is taboo is modern day USA?

See my response to Mohdoo.
How about you actually answer my question rather than pretend to answer my question.

Side note: BBC analysis of Russian media suggest that Trump agrees that Ukraine should be under Russian control.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 07 2017 20:13 GMT
#160616
I remember a while back I thought you could make millions per line of sucking up to Trump as a foreign leader.

I actually think Putin stands to make more than that, and he is an absolute pro at doing so.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2017 20:17 GMT
#160617
Russia is going to see how much bullshit they can shovel for how long before the US pushes back on it. And how many people believe it. It is all about how much they can get away with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 07 2017 20:36 GMT
#160618
On July 08 2017 04:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 02:57 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:16 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2017 00:22 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/RebeccaShabad/status/882948419068801028

Other reporters have confirmed that women now need to be wearing sleeves to be allowed in. Apparently it is Paul Ryan's policy.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-sleeveless-dresses-appropriate-attire-congress-doesnt-think-so/


Edit : Apparently this has been policy since Tip O'Neal and Pelosi was criticized for not overturning it.


That's such a dumb rule. Now shoulders are taboo?

I don't know how appropriate 'now' is since it's been the rule for decades/centuries.

What the actual fuck? Why are you expressing that you doubt that showing shoulders is taboo is modern day USA?

See my response to Mohdoo.
How about you actually answer my question rather than pretend to answer my question.

Side note: BBC analysis of Russian media suggest that Trump agrees that Ukraine should be under Russian control.

How about you quote my actual answer and tell me why it was insufficient. I'm not going to repeat my framework ad infinitum when it's clear you misunderstood what I said from the start and it looks like you're looking to gain from deliberately choosing your private and bad interpretation in the future. I was simply taken aback at how you interpreted the historical depth of a rule for the House to be my statement on "modern day USA."
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 07 2017 20:40 GMT
#160619
On July 08 2017 01:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 00:55 Zambrah wrote:
18 year olds are totally capable of planning, but I dobt they're often given the tools to really plan. Shit all through school you're told which classes you're going to take because who the hell knows where you'll end up? It'd be nice if high school became that career planning phase of education, I know plenty of people with the academic ability of a dried out cactus that had planned like ten years into their future (often as a trade worker) that dude is probably a welder making good money at the moment. High school should really be more practical than it is. No, I don't use trig or calc in my life at all, nor chemistry, and not physics (as much as I enjoyed chem and physics) and many people would be better served dropping some of the core classes in favor of life skills courses if they don't ever intend to become chemists or creative writers or mathematicians.

Don't forget that teenagers without good long term plans may have to experience something like chemistry in a high school setting to actually decide if they like it and simultaneously not be behind their peers in college should it inspire a four year degree program in a related field. It's a very practical consideration in my view. I'm also very much in favor of home ec, shop, and drivers ed/car classes taught as electives and encouraged by parents.


I think a stronger elective focus is really critical, I took Graphic Design courses that taught me up through intermediary Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and other shit like Finalcut Pro and that was a huge thing when I went to school with a solid amount of technical knowledge that let me skip past useless introductory courses in school.

I imagine it's pretty fuckin tough to get that strong elective focus going in schools and exposure to the academic fundamentals doesn't need to go away, but I think that having to go through all of that foundation is unnecessary, and having competent career counselors and services could be useful to get students on the right track to not leaving high school with jus zero idea about what they wanna do. Even if they just know what they DON'T wanna do that's better than pure aimlessness
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-07 20:59:24
July 07 2017 20:58 GMT
#160620
On July 08 2017 05:36 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 04:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:57 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:16 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2017 00:22 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/RebeccaShabad/status/882948419068801028

Other reporters have confirmed that women now need to be wearing sleeves to be allowed in. Apparently it is Paul Ryan's policy.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-sleeveless-dresses-appropriate-attire-congress-doesnt-think-so/


Edit : Apparently this has been policy since Tip O'Neal and Pelosi was criticized for not overturning it.


That's such a dumb rule. Now shoulders are taboo?

I don't know how appropriate 'now' is since it's been the rule for decades/centuries.

What the actual fuck? Why are you expressing that you doubt that showing shoulders is taboo is modern day USA?

See my response to Mohdoo.
How about you actually answer my question rather than pretend to answer my question.

Side note: BBC analysis of Russian media suggest that Trump agrees that Ukraine should be under Russian control.

How about you quote my actual answer and tell me why it was insufficient. I'm not going to repeat my framework ad infinitum when it's clear you misunderstood what I said from the start and it looks like you're looking to gain from deliberately choosing your private and bad interpretation in the future. I was simply taken aback at how you interpreted the historical depth of a rule for the House to be my statement on "modern day USA."
What answer? Everytime I ask you a question you just say, see previous answers somewhere, or see previous post somewhere. Just answer the question plain and simple. It's almost a yes or no question. Do you consider showing shoulders a taboo is modern day USA? Yes, No, Don't know.
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