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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 02:45:30
June 27 2017 02:44 GMT
#158981
On June 27 2017 11:21 Plansix wrote:
They should likely fix their prison system first. The courts have ordered them to do it so many times.


as someone living in a rural area in California that would probably cause riots out here. Police are understaffed and we've got a rampaging homeless issue that everyone just blames on those liberals in Sacremento instead of doing anything about it.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2017 02:50 GMT
#158982
On June 27 2017 11:44 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 11:21 Plansix wrote:
They should likely fix their prison system first. The courts have ordered them to do it so many times.


as someone living in a rural area in California that would probably cause riots out here. Police are understaffed and we've got a rampaging homeless issue that everyone just blames on those liberals in Sacremento instead of doing anything about it.


Bet they love those low property taxes, though? Easier to blame the liberals than to taxes to fund your police.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 27 2017 03:00 GMT
#158983
Carter Page, a former Donald Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, said Monday he’s been interviewed by the FBI as part of its investigation into Russia’s election meddling.

The interviews, which he called “extensive discussions,” came prior to James Comey’s firing as FBI director in May, Page said. Page, an energy consultant who traveled to Moscow last summer to deliver a speech while advising the Trump campaign, has become a target of the FBI investigation, along with the probes being pursued by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, which are all looking into the possibility of collusion between Moscow and the Trump campaign.

“During my extensive discussions with the FBI agents just weeks before Comey’s departure, they acknowledged that I’m a loyal American veteran but indicated that their ‘management’ was concerned that I did not believe the conclusions of the fake January 6 intelligence report,” Page said in a statement, referring to the public assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia sought to sway the presidential election in Trump’s favor.

“I told them that I learned the lessons from the intelligence failures of the original Dodgy Dossier from 2003 which cost this country thousands of service members lives and over a trillion dollars,” he continued. “Our frank and open conversations gave me confidence that there are still logical, honest individuals at the Bureau who respect civil rights and the Constitution, despite the recent devastating impact on our democracy by self-centered politicians at the top of the Clinton-Obama-Comey regime.”

Page has previously claimed to be the victim of a civil-rights conspiracy because of possible government surveillance of his communications.

The Washington Post first reported that he had been interviewed by the FBI.


Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2017 03:05 GMT
#158984


God please let this not be real.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 27 2017 03:12 GMT
#158985
Some 60,000 Wilmington, N.C., residents get their drinking water from the Cape Fear River.

DuPont and its spinoff company Chemours manufacture chemicals at a plant upstream from the city.

The plant is situated on a 2,100-acre property on the Cape Fear River in Fayetteville. It is there where a chemical called GenX -- a potentially cancer-causing substance that is a byproduct of DuPont and Chemours' manufacturing processes -- is produced.

Wilmington residents are demanding to know if those toxic chemicals are making their way downriver into the city's drinking water.

The Cape Fear Public Utility Authority co-authored a three-year study on the chemical's elevated presence in the water. But as CBS News' Jericka Duncan reports, the findings were never made available to the general public -- not even to Wilmington Mayor Bill Saffo.

Saffo met with Chemours officials, and couldn't believe what he heard: "We were alarmed. And we want to know how long that compound or that chemical had been dispersed into the Cape Fear River. And they told us since 1980."

Last week, a city council meeting in Wilmington was over capacity, as neighbors demanded their leaders hold Chemours accountable.

"Why has this been allowed to go on for so long?" asked one citizen, Kalli Smith. "I have been drinking this water my entire life."

Though they aren't pointing fingers at DuPont or Chemours, Wilmington's self-proclaimed "cancer moms" showed up in full force.

Amy Herrman's son, Jacob, had leukemia, and received chemo for three years. "It just seems odd that we're having to fight for clean water after we've fought for our children's lives," Herrman said.

Lisa Grogan's son, Nathan, was diagnosed at age four with Wilms, a rare kidney cancer. "Because of what our kids have been through, I think it's hard for people to look at us and say the water's probably OK, or, there's probably not too much toxin in there to cause health effects," said Grogan.

There are currently no federal drinking water standards for GenX. And because of an EPA rule, Chemours' release of GenX into the Cape Fear River for nearly four decades may have been perfectly legal; that's because it is a byproduct of another substance.

"There is a loophole that needs to be looked at by Congress to make certain that we have safe drinking water in this country," said Mayor Saffo.

The long-term health effects of GenX on humans are unknown, but studies submitted to the EPA by DuPont between 2006 and 2013 show it caused tumors and reproductive problems in lab animals.

The company says GenX is a safer alternative to another DuPont chemical called C8, which it no longer makes.

DuPont was forced to pay the largest fine in EPA history -- $16.5 million -- for failing to report C8's substantial risk to human health. And this past February, DuPont and Chemours doled out more than $670 million to settle a class-action lawsuit involving C8 water contamination in the Ohio River Valley.

Jennifer Adams, the vice chair of the Cape Fear Public Utility Authority, was asked why the water company never made its GenX study public.

"There were no alarm bells set off," she said. "There wasn't anything indicated in the report that indicated immediate action was needed."

CBS News has learned Adams worked as a chemical engineer at DuPont from 1990 to 2001.

CBS affiliate WWAY asked Adams, "Given your connection to DuPont, do you know anybody that works at the Chemours plant?"

"Um, yes, I do."

"Have there been any discussions between any board members including yourself and anyone at Chemours? Or DuPont?"

"No," Adams replied.

Water inspectors are testing the current levels of GenX in Wilmington's water, but results are not expected until late next month. It is an excruciating wait for a mayor whose community is desperate to know if their water is safe.

"We don't know what this is going to do to us, that have been drinking it for long periods of time," Saffo said. "How long has it been in the river? Since 1980, yes, but how much of it has been in the river?"

Chemours says it will now voluntarily "capture, remove and safely dispose of" wastewater containing the byproduct GenX.

The company also told CBS News it continues to believe that emissions from its plant have not impacted the safety of drinking water.


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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
June 27 2017 03:14 GMT
#158986
On June 27 2017 11:44 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 11:21 Plansix wrote:
They should likely fix their prison system first. The courts have ordered them to do it so many times.


as someone living in a rural area in California that would probably cause riots out here. Police are understaffed and we've got a rampaging homeless issue that everyone just blames on those liberals in Sacremento instead of doing anything about it.


Blaming the liberals is a pretty decent start.
Uncontrolled immigration being one of the main causes of the CA housing bubble.Taxes too high for businesses to thrive, Articles online about tech company workers living in tents or containers in San Fran because thats what they can afford.Fuck knows how fast food workers or cleaners survive out there.

Many already moving elsewhere, places like Austin,Texas.Where they'll vote for the same party and policies that destroyed California.The liberal trail of destruction continues...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 27 2017 03:17 GMT
#158987
On June 27 2017 11:32 Kyadytim wrote:
California has tax issues because of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

The tl;dr is that it caps property taxes at 1% and also keeps property values from changing except when they are bought or sold. Basically, California levies less off the assessed value of properties as taxes on properties that often haven't been reassessed in decades. The obvious result of that sort of policy is that revenue had to be made up other ways.

looks like one of those idiotic referenda that is obviously dysfunctional and bad policy, but is easy for people to like.
would have to look into it in more detail to be sure though.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 03:20:27
June 27 2017 03:20 GMT
#158988
On June 27 2017 12:05 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/879529054726234112

God please let this not be real.

Gotta prepare for a distraction war if Mueller gets too much leverage, so they let Spicer make some shit up
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2017 03:21 GMT
#158989
On June 27 2017 12:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 11:44 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On June 27 2017 11:21 Plansix wrote:
They should likely fix their prison system first. The courts have ordered them to do it so many times.


as someone living in a rural area in California that would probably cause riots out here. Police are understaffed and we've got a rampaging homeless issue that everyone just blames on those liberals in Sacremento instead of doing anything about it.


Blaming the liberals is a pretty decent start.
Uncontrolled immigration being one of the main causes of the CA housing bubble.Taxes too high for businesses to thrive, Articles online about tech company workers living in tents or containers in San Fran because thats what they can afford.Fuck knows how fast food workers or cleaners survive out there.

Many already moving elsewhere, places like Austin,Texas.Where they'll vote for the same party and policies that destroyed California.The liberal trail of destruction continues...

Liberals have nothing to to with it. A very dumb 3 strikes law and lack of will to pay for prison systems lead to over crowding.

http://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/gov-california-prison-population-proposition-47-impact.html

They have finally got shit in line, but it took a decade. Three strikes laws are bad and fixing the problems they create is politically impossible.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2017 03:22 GMT
#158990
On June 27 2017 12:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:05 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/879529054726234112

God please let this not be real.

Gotta prepare for a distraction war if Mueller gets too much leverage, so they let Spicer make some shit up

We won't be able to see the answer, since it won't be on camera.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 27 2017 03:26 GMT
#158991
On June 27 2017 12:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 11:44 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On June 27 2017 11:21 Plansix wrote:
They should likely fix their prison system first. The courts have ordered them to do it so many times.


as someone living in a rural area in California that would probably cause riots out here. Police are understaffed and we've got a rampaging homeless issue that everyone just blames on those liberals in Sacremento instead of doing anything about it.


Blaming the liberals is a pretty decent start.
Uncontrolled immigration being one of the main causes of the CA housing bubble.Taxes too high for businesses to thrive, Articles online about tech company workers living in tents or containers in San Fran because thats what they can afford.Fuck knows how fast food workers or cleaners survive out there.

Many already moving elsewhere, places like Austin,Texas.Where they'll vote for the same party and policies that destroyed California.The liberal trail of destruction continues...

Colorado will be the first casualty. Gun laws, pot, progressive social policies & that lovely civil rights commission. Red state turned blue.

Austin has been the blueberry in Texas's tomato soup for a while. I don't think my state's fleeing residents are responsible.

It's pretty sad nationally-speaking that libs ruin their state and then transplant the destructive policies wherever they move (when the situation degrades enough to move.) I heard an Idahoan railing against new Californians in her town ... their reasons for the move were, in her opinion, linked to the policies that they called backwards.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 27 2017 03:26 GMT
#158992
On June 27 2017 12:05 Plansix wrote:


God please let this not be real.

I'm not seeing anything, what's up?
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 27 2017 03:28 GMT
#158993
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 03:34:38
June 27 2017 03:31 GMT
#158994
On June 27 2017 12:26 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:05 Plansix wrote:


God please let this not be real.

I'm not seeing anything, what's up?

Looks like the story got updated with some weird quotes, so he deleted the tweet. \

On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.


I am also upset that Hannity is still employed by Fox News.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 27 2017 03:34 GMT
#158995
On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.

Saw this earlier, read the story, felt that bashing CNN for an obvious fuckup would be the equivalent of shitting on Infowars.

"Anonymous sources are critical to journalism." They're also critical to complete garbage.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 27 2017 03:45 GMT
#158996
On June 27 2017 12:34 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.

Saw this earlier, read the story, felt that bashing CNN for an obvious fuckup would be the equivalent of shitting on Infowars.

"Anonymous sources are critical to journalism." They're also critical to complete garbage.

This doesn't make any sense. Deep throat was an anonymous source.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 27 2017 03:50 GMT
#158997
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3187 Posts
June 27 2017 04:00 GMT
#158998
On June 27 2017 12:34 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.

Saw this earlier, read the story, felt that bashing CNN for an obvious fuckup would be the equivalent of shitting on Infowars.

"Anonymous sources are critical to journalism." They're also critical to complete garbage.

I mean, obviously anonymous sources mean you're trading on people trusting you not to fabricate sources. Trump's birther nonsense started with an anonymous source. That said this seems like the system working as intended - occasionally journalists fuck up, the news source issues a retraction, and the journalists responsible get punished.

Seems like quite a strain to compare to InfoWars though. Not getting a second source is a far cry from John Kerry running a secret ancient Egyptian necrophiliac cult to summon demons into his body.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 27 2017 04:08 GMT
#158999
On June 27 2017 12:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:26 crms wrote:
On June 27 2017 12:05 Plansix wrote:


God please let this not be real.

I'm not seeing anything, what's up?

Looks like the story got updated with some weird quotes, so he deleted the tweet. \

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.


I am also upset that Hannity is still employed by Fox News.

I couldn't care less what happens to that channel. Upset means giving a damn at some level.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 27 2017 04:08 GMT
#159000
On June 27 2017 13:00 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 12:34 LegalLord wrote:
On June 27 2017 12:28 Danglars wrote:
Three people have resigned from CNN following the retraction of a report last week alleging ties between an associate of President Trump and the Russians.

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," the news organization announced Monday in a very brief statement.

The three who quit are: "CNN Investigates" reporter Thomas Frank; the story's editor, Eric Lichtblau; and "CNN Investigates" executive editor Lex Haris.

The resignations come just days after CNN pulled down a story claiming longtime Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who played a significant role on the president's White House transition team, had deep ties to a $10 billion Russian investment fund owned by a Kremlin-connected bank.

The now-deleted story, which provided no proof of its claims, cited a single anonymous source.

On Friday of last week, CNN deleted the story from its website. The cable news group also issued the following statement, "On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund."

Washington Examiner

Way to behave like adults, CNN.

Saw this earlier, read the story, felt that bashing CNN for an obvious fuckup would be the equivalent of shitting on Infowars.

"Anonymous sources are critical to journalism." They're also critical to complete garbage.

I mean, obviously anonymous sources mean you're trading on people trusting you not to fabricate sources. Trump's birther nonsense started with an anonymous source. That said this seems like the system working as intended - occasionally journalists fuck up, the news source issues a retraction, and the journalists responsible get punished.

Seems like quite a strain to compare to InfoWars though. Not getting a second source is a far cry from John Kerry running a secret ancient Egyptian necrophiliac cult to summon demons into his body.

Struggling to see the difference between the two.

In all seriousness, that CNN is now gutter tier news is essentially ubiquitous. In that sense it's akin to bashing Infowars because both we all know are truly and completely terrible.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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