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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 26 2017 22:39 GMT
#158921
On June 27 2017 07:34 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:32 Introvert wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:48 Velr wrote:
Is it just me or have xDaunt, Danglars and Introvert been staggeringly silent on the healthcare bill?

I mean.. At least 2 of them are often around and comment on most "important" stuff but...


I'm normally busy during peak posting hours, all I've seen so far are tweets. Rest assured that, as someone who wants full repeal, I don't like this bill, as it even seems like the Medicaid "cuts" (read: reduction in increase) are never going to happen.

You think this bill does not fuck over enough people yet?
Because that is what a full repeal and Medicare cut is.

a full repeal is still better than this half-measure bill; at least it would have some merit to it, however heartless it might be.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 22:47:58
June 26 2017 22:44 GMT
#158922
On June 27 2017 07:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 06:51 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:48 Velr wrote:
Is it just me or have xDaunt, Danglars and Introvert been staggeringly silent on the healthcare bill?

I mean.. At least 2 of them are often around and comment on most "important" stuff but...

They've been at their usual, bring up stuff to distract from the actual disaster Trump is about to sign off on, simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him, thing.

Uhh how much more to add that it's a bad bill that needs to be scrapped and Trump's wrong to push it (I think I'm up to three times reiterating and explaining that last bit--I'm guessing the appropriate time to stop criticism is when people say you've repeated yourself too much?).

Criticizing him when he's wrong and praising him when he's right has never been enough for the libs in the forum. They, and I suspect you, demand full throated smackdowns every third post and support for his political opponents, who I've been also calling for the carpet for their juvenile and short-sighted party strategy and content of their criticism. At some point, I gotta conclude people are simply tired of the debate and "it's to distract from Trump" is your the last feeble attempt to group issue conservatives with alt-right MAGA twitter-frogs.

Show nested quote +
simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him

This is probably the most transparent recent admission that you don't read nuanced positions of criticism. "I didn't bother to sift through what you write, but here's my perspective on your interactions here anyways." It's rather astounding that people want buy-in from the maybe three somewhat-active conservatives in a thread, compared to literally dozens of libs, simultaneously showing a pattern of ignoring their/our perspective.

It's not your perspective alone, it's your never-ending desire to "be right" and condescend to people, to criticize even the slightest error in what they say while acting like your posting is flawless. Acting like the voice of reason, yet continually misdirecting arguments/burying the lead any time someone makes a legitimate counterpoint to your arguments. Even now, you're putting all your energy into picking another fight with me, and I'm over it. How is it other people in this thread can criticize Trump, and I don't find myself somehow thinking they're defending him? It's not because of some liberal/conservative label, it's because of the gestalt of your posting, because more often than not that's what you do.

It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 26 2017 22:45 GMT
#158923
The republican health care plan is pretty remarkable in just how uncontroversial it is. Pretty much everyone thinks it's awful.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 26 2017 22:47 GMT
#158924
On June 27 2017 07:45 Nevuk wrote:
The republican health care plan is pretty remarkable in just how uncontroversial it is. Pretty much everyone thinks it's awful.

Obamacare persists through the sheer badness of all presently developed plans to replace it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 22:48 GMT
#158925
On June 27 2017 07:20 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On June 27 2017 07:05 Plansix wrote:[/B

source

1/6th of the economy.

tl;dr health care has eaten so much of their economy that it's now too big to fail.

The alternative being people die for being poor. Once we passed laws requiring emergency rooms to treat anyone, even if they couldn't pay, this was always going to be the result. States without healthcare services will become economic wastelands, because no one will want to live there.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 26 2017 22:50 GMT
#158926
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2024 Posts
June 26 2017 22:50 GMT
#158927
On June 27 2017 07:20 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On June 27 2017 07:05 Plansix wrote:[/B

source

1/6th of the economy.

tl;dr health care has eaten so much of their economy that it's now too big to fail.


Yup. Who would have thougt the price of healthcare could not be regulated by the free market? Dependance on private health insurance is an expensive, expanding monster, that is almost impossible to beat, and there is no cap to how big the sector can grow. Americans get extremely low value for their HC money, and lots of it is wasted on unnecessary tests, billing, marketing, and inflated drug prices, while huge parts of the population are just left out.

The only way to escape it is to move, and I believe many will! Unfortunately, the people you want to leave seldom go first...
Buff the siegetank
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 22:54:51
June 26 2017 22:53 GMT
#158928
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story. I don't like the idea of being funneled into a binary system anyway, so I don't hold it against him if he is somewhat conservative.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 26 2017 22:55 GMT
#158929
On June 27 2017 07:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story.

He's a leftist. Not as far as some other posters or myself, but he's pretty left. Was (and I believe still is) a big Sanders supporter. The criticism he's launching of the democrats is coming from the opposite direction as a lot of the conservative posters.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 26 2017 22:59 GMT
#158930
On June 27 2017 07:55 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:53 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story.

He's a leftist. Not as far as some other posters or myself, but he's pretty left. Was (and I believe still is) a big Sanders supporter. The criticism he's launching of the democrats is coming from the opposite direction as a lot of the conservative posters.

Let me be the first to admit I was wrong then. No hard feelings GH.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 26 2017 23:02 GMT
#158931
I'm probably more left than right, though I would agree that I have some notable conservative tendencies. Fuck the Democrats though. They got what was coming to them.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 26 2017 23:02 GMT
#158932
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

Unlike most on the left around here, GH is actually willing to critically assess the failings of his party. Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

And speaking of being critical of the democrats, Maureed Dowd had the following to say in her column this past weekend:
YOU know who is really sick and tired of Donald Trump winning, to the point where they beg, “Please, Mr. President, sir, it’s too much”?

Democrats.

The Democrats just got skunked four to nothing in races they excitedly thought they could win because everyone they hang with hates Trump.

If Trump is the Antichrist, as they believe, then Georgia was going to be a cakewalk, and Nancy Pelosi was going to be installed as speaker before the midterms by acclamation. But it turned into another soul-sucking disappointment.

“It’s Trump four and us zero,” says the Democratic congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. “I don’t want to admit that. When it comes out of my mouth, it bothers me. But Trump does robo calls. He tweets. He talks about the races. He motivates his base, and he moves the needle, and that’s a problem for us. Guys, we’re still doing something wrong here because a) he’s president and b) we’re still losing to his candidates.”

The 43-year-old Ryan, who failed to unseat Pelosi as House minority leader last year, says that the Democrats’ brand is toxic, and in some places worse than Trump’s. Which is beyond pathetic.

The Republicans have a wildly unpopular, unstable and untruthful president, and a Congress that veers between doing nothing and spitting out vicious bills, while the Democratic base is on fire and appalled millennials are racing away from Trump. Yet Democrats are stuck in loser gear.

Trump’s fatal flaw is that he cannot drag himself away from the mirror. But Democrats cannot bear to look in the mirror and admit what is wrong.

Source.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 26 2017 23:08 GMT
#158933
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:09 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:51 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:48 Velr wrote:
Is it just me or have xDaunt, Danglars and Introvert been staggeringly silent on the healthcare bill?

I mean.. At least 2 of them are often around and comment on most "important" stuff but...

They've been at their usual, bring up stuff to distract from the actual disaster Trump is about to sign off on, simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him, thing.

Uhh how much more to add that it's a bad bill that needs to be scrapped and Trump's wrong to push it (I think I'm up to three times reiterating and explaining that last bit--I'm guessing the appropriate time to stop criticism is when people say you've repeated yourself too much?).

Criticizing him when he's wrong and praising him when he's right has never been enough for the libs in the forum. They, and I suspect you, demand full throated smackdowns every third post and support for his political opponents, who I've been also calling for the carpet for their juvenile and short-sighted party strategy and content of their criticism. At some point, I gotta conclude people are simply tired of the debate and "it's to distract from Trump" is your the last feeble attempt to group issue conservatives with alt-right MAGA twitter-frogs.

simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him

This is probably the most transparent recent admission that you don't read nuanced positions of criticism. "I didn't bother to sift through what you write, but here's my perspective on your interactions here anyways." It's rather astounding that people want buy-in from the maybe three somewhat-active conservatives in a thread, compared to literally dozens of libs, simultaneously showing a pattern of ignoring their/our perspective.

It's not your perspective alone, it's your never-ending desire to "be right" and condescend to people, to criticize even the slightest error in what they say while acting like your posting is flawless. Acting like the voice of reason, yet continually misdirecting arguments/burying the lead any time someone makes a legitimate counterpoint to your arguments. Even now, you're putting all your energy into picking another fight with me, and I'm over it. How is it other people in this thread can criticize Trump, and I don't find myself somehow thinking they're defending him? It's not because of some liberal/conservative label, it's because of the gestalt of your posting, because more often than not that's what you do.

It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

On June 27 2017 06:51 NewSunshine wrote:
They've been at their usual, bring up stuff to distract from the actual disaster Trump is about to sign off on, simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him, thing.

You literally pick fights then jump back to say everybody else does it. I see no need to distract from Trump because I don't like who he is and what he's doing. I call it like I see it. It's you and your continual desire to navigate around to what you want to talk about when you respond to my comments that are entirely on a different subject or aspect of the topic. At this point, I do have to write you off because you can't stick to one thing long enough to find the demarcation of differing views (or resolution) and are completely unable to see your own vacillations in topic. You want to pretend it's everybody else, particularly your ideological opponents (Original "[these three conservatives] usually distract, defend Trump, and I somehow never read their criticisms of Trump"), but it's really you. So your unique issues (and Velr's before your post) with me need resolution before you can see clearly to group and meta-criticize posting arguments.

And as one final reminder, everybody should feel comfortable attacking and defending stances based on their merits, and realize it's perfectly possible to criticize both party's policies as they see fit.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 23:11:53
June 26 2017 23:08 GMT
#158934
I think the Democratic party could have a great platform to run on, if they stopped cannibalizing each other over how best to be progressive and actually got together on some things, but therein lies the problem, so I don't identify with either party. The reason people aren't giving much flak to the Democrats right now is because the Republicans are the ones in power. They have the majorities. I'm not gonna get into how that came to be, I'm simply looking at the composition of government that lay before me, and criticizing it when it does bad things. So naturally no, the Democrats aren't getting as much criticism from me. They're not in power to do anything that would warrant it. I'll criticize them for being too dis-organized to get themselves anywhere, but that's all they seem to be guilty of at the moment.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 23:15:42
June 26 2017 23:13 GMT
#158935
On June 27 2017 08:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

Unlike most on the left around here, GH is actually willing to critically assess the failings of his party. Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

And speaking of being critical of the democrats, Maureed Dowd had the following to say in her column this past weekend:
Show nested quote +
YOU know who is really sick and tired of Donald Trump winning, to the point where they beg, “Please, Mr. President, sir, it’s too much”?

Democrats.

The Democrats just got skunked four to nothing in races they excitedly thought they could win because everyone they hang with hates Trump.

If Trump is the Antichrist, as they believe, then Georgia was going to be a cakewalk, and Nancy Pelosi was going to be installed as speaker before the midterms by acclamation. But it turned into another soul-sucking disappointment.

“It’s Trump four and us zero,” says the Democratic congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. “I don’t want to admit that. When it comes out of my mouth, it bothers me. But Trump does robo calls. He tweets. He talks about the races. He motivates his base, and he moves the needle, and that’s a problem for us. Guys, we’re still doing something wrong here because a) he’s president and b) we’re still losing to his candidates.”

The 43-year-old Ryan, who failed to unseat Pelosi as House minority leader last year, says that the Democrats’ brand is toxic, and in some places worse than Trump’s. Which is beyond pathetic.

The Republicans have a wildly unpopular, unstable and untruthful president, and a Congress that veers between doing nothing and spitting out vicious bills, while the Democratic base is on fire and appalled millennials are racing away from Trump. Yet Democrats are stuck in loser gear.

Trump’s fatal flaw is that he cannot drag himself away from the mirror. But Democrats cannot bear to look in the mirror and admit what is wrong.

Source.


lol GH would be offended to be called a democrat.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 23:18:12
June 26 2017 23:15 GMT
#158936


MTP = motion to proceed

There's 3 now:

WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 26 2017 23:19 GMT
#158937
On June 27 2017 07:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story. I don't like the idea of being funneled into a binary system anyway, so I don't hold it against him if he is somewhat conservative.

GH is kind of in a "Democrats are always wrong" mode right now, regardless of anything else, so I'm not shocked someone would be confused in his political stance. But he's solidly on the "far left".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 26 2017 23:19 GMT
#158938
On June 27 2017 08:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

Unlike most on the left around here, GH is actually willing to critically assess the failings of his party. Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

And speaking of being critical of the democrats, Maureed Dowd had the following to say in her column this past weekend:
Show nested quote +
YOU know who is really sick and tired of Donald Trump winning, to the point where they beg, “Please, Mr. President, sir, it’s too much”?

Democrats.

The Democrats just got skunked four to nothing in races they excitedly thought they could win because everyone they hang with hates Trump.

If Trump is the Antichrist, as they believe, then Georgia was going to be a cakewalk, and Nancy Pelosi was going to be installed as speaker before the midterms by acclamation. But it turned into another soul-sucking disappointment.

“It’s Trump four and us zero,” says the Democratic congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. “I don’t want to admit that. When it comes out of my mouth, it bothers me. But Trump does robo calls. He tweets. He talks about the races. He motivates his base, and he moves the needle, and that’s a problem for us. Guys, we’re still doing something wrong here because a) he’s president and b) we’re still losing to his candidates.”

The 43-year-old Ryan, who failed to unseat Pelosi as House minority leader last year, says that the Democrats’ brand is toxic, and in some places worse than Trump’s. Which is beyond pathetic.

The Republicans have a wildly unpopular, unstable and untruthful president, and a Congress that veers between doing nothing and spitting out vicious bills, while the Democratic base is on fire and appalled millennials are racing away from Trump. Yet Democrats are stuck in loser gear.

Trump’s fatal flaw is that he cannot drag himself away from the mirror. But Democrats cannot bear to look in the mirror and admit what is wrong.

Source.

Dowd was not one I expect to join Dershowitz in scathing criticism of the opposition party. Dershowitz, who will be proved right not too long from now:
SANDRA SMITH: President Trump refusing to back down on extreme vetting, as the Trump administration formally filed an appeal against the ruling that blocked the President's latest travel order.

PETE HEGSETH: But our next guest is a lifelong Democrat and says the executive order should have been upheld in court in the first place.

CLAYTON MORRIS: Defense attorney and Harvard law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz joins us now to weigh in on this. Alan, great to see you this morning. Did these judges overstep their bounds?

ALAN DERSHOWITZ: I think they did. The idea of focusing so heavily on campaign rhetoric and essentially saying, "Look, if Obama had issued the very same order with the same words, it would be constitutional. But if Trump issues it, it's unconstitutional, because he said some things about Muslims in the runup to the campaign, and Rudy Giuliani said some things, and other people said some things" — that's not the way the law is supposed to operate.

And finally, the Trump Justice Department is getting smart. They're appealing this not to the Ninth Circuit, where they're likely to get an adverse ruling. They're appealing it to the Fourth Circuit. And the Fourth Circuit is a much more conservative court, and much more likely to uphold the travel ban. And then if the case goes to the Supreme Court and ties 4-4, Trump wins.

PETE HEGSETH: So professor, what you're saying is, in studying the Constitution, what candidate Trump said about, say, a so-called Muslim ban or whatever, that you're sort of psychoanalyzing him as a candidate and applying it to their constitutional theory. And that's, is there a precedent for that?

DERSHOWITZ: Well, I actually said that this wasn't constitutional analysis, it was psychoanalysis.

There is precedent in extreme cases where legislators, in enacting a statute, say things you can sometimes look to the legislative intent.

But I've never heard of a case where the rhetoric of a candidate — ambiguous rhetoric to be sure — because I do not believe this is a Muslim ban.

Focusing on a country like Iran, the greatest exporter of terrorism. Not only no vetting. It sends terrorists out to kill Americans. Iran has so much blood on its hands of Americans and American allies. To exclude a country like Iran from the list would be absurd. And the list, although for a different purpose, was originally designed by President Obama. So how can you say that the inclusion of the six countries on the list was motivated by what Mr. Trump said when he was candidate Trump? That's just not good legal analysis.

And here I'm putting my reputation on the line, I predict that if the case gets to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will uphold the major provisions of this ban
.

Midmarch this year.

Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

It's whataboutism for thee, but not for me.
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Last Edited: 2017-06-26 23:25:27
June 26 2017 23:24 GMT
#158939
Huh, so what happens now? Do they need a majority to proceed and it is stalled, or can they proceed with less than a majority?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 26 2017 23:26 GMT
#158940
On June 27 2017 08:15 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/879471862694256641

MTP = motion to proceed

There's 3 now:
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/878326492341518337
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/879457928452898817

Isn't 3 enough to stop the bill from passing? I fully expect/hope this bill dies a fiery death, I'm glad to see it being almost universally detested.
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