US Politics Mega-thread - Page 7947

On June 27 2017 07:34 Gorsameth wrote:

You think this bill does not fuck over enough people yet?
Because that is what a full repeal and Medicare cut is.

On June 27 2017 07:09 Danglars wrote:

Uhh how much more to add that it's a bad bill that needs to be scrapped and Trump's wrong to push it (I think I'm up to three times reiterating and explaining that last bit--I'm guessing the appropriate time to stop criticism is when people say you've repeated yourself too much?).

Criticizing him when he's wrong and praising him when he's right has never been enough for the libs in the forum. They, and I suspect you, demand full throated smackdowns every third post and support for his political opponents, who I've been also calling for the carpet for their juvenile and short-sighted party strategy and content of their criticism. At some point, I gotta conclude people are simply tired of the debate and "it's to distract from Trump" is your the last feeble attempt to group issue conservatives with alt-right MAGA twitter-frogs.


This is probably the most transparent recent admission that you don't read nuanced positions of criticism. "I didn't bother to sift through what you write, but here's my perspective on your interactions here anyways." It's rather astounding that people want buy-in from the maybe three somewhat-active conservatives in a thread, compared to literally dozens of libs, simultaneously showing a pattern of ignoring their/our perspective.

On June 27 2017 07:20 Buckyman wrote:

tl;dr health care has eaten so much of their economy that it's now too big to fail.

On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:
It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

On June 27 2017 07:20 Buckyman wrote:

tl;dr health care has eaten so much of their economy that it's now too big to fail.

On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

On June 27 2017 07:53 NewSunshine wrote:

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story.

On June 27 2017 07:55 Nevuk wrote:

He's a leftist. Not as far as some other posters or myself, but he's pretty left. Was (and I believe still is) a big Sanders supporter. The criticism he's launching of the democrats is coming from the opposite direction as a lot of the conservative posters.

On June 27 2017 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Lol, you know GH's stance has been muddled when he's being called a conservative.

YOU know who is really sick and tired of Donald Trump winning, to the point where they beg, “Please, Mr. President, sir, it’s too much”?

Democrats.

The Democrats just got skunked four to nothing in races they excitedly thought they could win because everyone they hang with hates Trump.

If Trump is the Antichrist, as they believe, then Georgia was going to be a cakewalk, and Nancy Pelosi was going to be installed as speaker before the midterms by acclamation. But it turned into another soul-sucking disappointment.

“It’s Trump four and us zero,” says the Democratic congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. “I don’t want to admit that. When it comes out of my mouth, it bothers me. But Trump does robo calls. He tweets. He talks about the races. He motivates his base, and he moves the needle, and that’s a problem for us. Guys, we’re still doing something wrong here because a) he’s president and b) we’re still losing to his candidates.”

The 43-year-old Ryan, who failed to unseat Pelosi as House minority leader last year, says that the Democrats’ brand is toxic, and in some places worse than Trump’s. Which is beyond pathetic.

The Republicans have a wildly unpopular, unstable and untruthful president, and a Congress that veers between doing nothing and spitting out vicious bills, while the Democratic base is on fire and appalled millennials are racing away from Trump. Yet Democrats are stuck in loser gear.

Trump’s fatal flaw is that he cannot drag himself away from the mirror. But Democrats cannot bear to look in the mirror and admit what is wrong.

On June 27 2017 07:44 NewSunshine wrote:

It's not your perspective alone, it's your never-ending desire to "be right" and condescend to people, to criticize even the slightest error in what they say while acting like your posting is flawless. Acting like the voice of reason, yet continually misdirecting arguments/burying the lead any time someone makes a legitimate counterpoint to your arguments. Even now, you're putting all your energy into picking another fight with me, and I'm over it. How is it other people in this thread can criticize Trump, and I don't find myself somehow thinking they're defending him? It's not because of some liberal/conservative label, it's because of the gestalt of your posting, because more often than not that's what you do.

It should be noted, that while I disagree with conservatives like LegalLord, GreenHorizons and xDaunt on a lot of things, I find you unique in my complete inability to reason with you.

On June 27 2017 06:51 NewSunshine wrote:
They've been at their usual, bring up stuff to distract from the actual disaster Trump is about to sign off on, simultaneously defending him but also somehow criticizing him, thing.

On June 27 2017 08:02 xDaunt wrote:

Unlike most on the left around here, GH is actually willing to critically assess the failings of his party. Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

And speaking of being critical of the democrats, Maureed Dowd had the following to say in her column this past weekend:

Source.

On June 27 2017 07:53 NewSunshine wrote:

To be fair, he might not be, it's just the conclusion I reach when I see a lot of one-sided criticism from him in recent posts aimed at Democrats. They might deserve it, but it's only half the story. I don't like the idea of being funneled into a binary system anyway, so I don't hold it against him if he is somewhat conservative.

On June 27 2017 08:02 xDaunt wrote:

Unlike most on the left around here, GH is actually willing to critically assess the failings of his party. Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

And speaking of being critical of the democrats, Maureed Dowd had the following to say in her column this past weekend:

Source.

SANDRA SMITH: President Trump refusing to back down on extreme vetting, as the Trump administration formally filed an appeal against the ruling that blocked the President's latest travel order.

PETE HEGSETH: But our next guest is a lifelong Democrat and says the executive order should have been upheld in court in the first place.

CLAYTON MORRIS: Defense attorney and Harvard law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz joins us now to weigh in on this. Alan, great to see you this morning. Did these judges overstep their bounds?

ALAN DERSHOWITZ: I think they did. The idea of focusing so heavily on campaign rhetoric and essentially saying, "Look, if Obama had issued the very same order with the same words, it would be constitutional. But if Trump issues it, it's unconstitutional, because he said some things about Muslims in the runup to the campaign, and Rudy Giuliani said some things, and other people said some things" — that's not the way the law is supposed to operate.

And finally, the Trump Justice Department is getting smart. They're appealing this not to the Ninth Circuit, where they're likely to get an adverse ruling. They're appealing it to the Fourth Circuit. And the Fourth Circuit is a much more conservative court, and much more likely to uphold the travel ban. And then if the case goes to the Supreme Court and ties 4-4, Trump wins.

PETE HEGSETH: So professor, what you're saying is, in studying the Constitution, what candidate Trump said about, say, a so-called Muslim ban or whatever, that you're sort of psychoanalyzing him as a candidate and applying it to their constitutional theory. And that's, is there a precedent for that?

DERSHOWITZ: Well, I actually said that this wasn't constitutional analysis, it was psychoanalysis.

There is precedent in extreme cases where legislators, in enacting a statute, say things you can sometimes look to the legislative intent.

But I've never heard of a case where the rhetoric of a candidate — ambiguous rhetoric to be sure — because I do not believe this is a Muslim ban.

Focusing on a country like Iran, the greatest exporter of terrorism. Not only no vetting. It sends terrorists out to kill Americans. Iran has so much blood on its hands of Americans and American allies. To exclude a country like Iran from the list would be absurd. And the list, although for a different purpose, was originally designed by President Obama. So how can you say that the inclusion of the six countries on the list was motivated by what Mr. Trump said when he was candidate Trump? That's just not good legal analysis.

And here I'm putting my reputation on the line, I predict that if the case gets to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will uphold the major provisions of this ban.

Too many of y'all are nothing but glorified democrat groupies and cheerleaders. And even when I point out the flaws of the democrats, the response from most posters is usually something along the lines of "BUT LOOK HOW TERRIBAD THE REPUBLICANS ARE." The terminal flaw of this logic is patently obvious.

On June 27 2017 08:15 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/879471862694256641

MTP = motion to proceed

There's 3 now:
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/878326492341518337
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/879457928452898817