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TheTenthDoc
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Mohdoo
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KwarK
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On June 09 2017 00:23 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well. Regardless of other outcomes, I think this testimony bodes really poorly for Sessions' job security. Only thing that could make it worse for him at this point is a clear endorsement by Trump stating his absolute confidence. | ||
ZeromuS
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haha pretty funny and sad at the same time | ||
Kipsate
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{CC}StealthBlue
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TheTenthDoc
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On June 09 2017 00:26 Kipsate wrote: Did Comey just say that Trump was not under personal investigation and wouldn't be? thats pretty big. He's said that he was not under personal investigation for Russian ties. His written testimony already said as much. But many will try to spin that as he's not under investigation for anything. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On June 09 2017 00:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/872830054698536960 Bharara/Comey is my ideal 2020 ticket. I'd throw away my vote and shame myself by even voting for them as 3rd party. | ||
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ZeromuS
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On June 09 2017 00:26 Kipsate wrote: Did Comey just say that Trump was not under personal investigation and wouldn't be? thats pretty big. Aha! Here's the very specific rub -- He was not under personal investigation before he left -- In the context of intelligence investigations re: the Steele dossier -- Comey was clear in this in his testimony (spoken) and written if you read it carefully | ||
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NewSunshine
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On June 09 2017 00:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: He's said that he was not under personal investigation for Russian ties. His written testimony already said as much. But many will try to spin that as he's not under investigation for anything. Trump himself has been repeatedly trying to conflate "no personal investigation" with "no investigation whatsoever". That distinction needs to be clearly made, so that people realize how ridiculous that line of defense is. | ||
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Kipsate
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On June 09 2017 00:29 ZeromuS wrote: Aha! Here's the very specific rub -- He was not under personal investigation before he left -- In the context of intelligence investigations re: the Steele dossier -- Comey was clear in this in his testimony (spoken) and written if you read it carefully could you explain further I am confused sorry. | ||
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ZeromuS
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On June 09 2017 00:30 NewSunshine wrote: Trump himself has been repeatedly trying to conflate "no personal investigation" with "no investigation whatsoever". That distinction needs to be clearly made, so that people realize how ridiculous that line of defense is. And you can't listen to the words "no personal investigation" and like them but hate every other word on the 7 pages | ||
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ahswtini
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On June 09 2017 00:31 Kipsate wrote: could you explain further I am confused sorry. comey has not ruled out that trump is under personal investigation for other matters unrelated to russian intelligence | ||
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NewSunshine
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On June 09 2017 00:31 ZeromuS wrote: And you can't listen to the words "no personal investigation" and like them but hate every other word on the 7 pages The rest of the 7 pages are very important. Especially the unsolicited response about Russian hookers. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Mohdoo
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On June 09 2017 00:35 Gorsameth wrote: "Why did you not report this up the chain of command" Who exactly did this senator expect him to go to? There is no one above its literally Comey>Trump>nothing unless you believe in god. Comey --> AG --> Trump | ||
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xDaunt
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On June 09 2017 00:32 ahswtini wrote: comey has not ruled out that trump is under personal investigation for other matters unrelated to russian intelligence Even if Trump is under personal investigation for something else, Comey isn't doing future prosecutors any favors by telling Trump that he isn't under personal investigation in arguably misleading ways and Trump believing that he's not under personal investigation, period. | ||
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ZeromuS
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On June 09 2017 00:31 Kipsate wrote: could you explain further I am confused sorry. Read the Comey written statement again. There are TWO kinds of investigation Intelligence and Criminal Intelligence involves trying to prevent people from being influenced by others including foreign powers. It also involves trying to determine veracity of intelligence related matters. Criminal would be something that breaks the legal rules. So Comey was clear, he told Trump he was not the target of a personal investigation. Trump the man, not the administration, but trump himself not being investigated in the context of intelligence. Specifically, in the context of the Steeles dossier. He did not tell the president he was not under criminal investigation. He did not tell the president his associates were not under investigation. He did not tell the president that he was not under investigation related to intelligence matters outside of those identified in the dossier. And this was only up until May 9th. He did not say trump wouldn't be under investigation. Only that he was not, personally, under intelligence investigation in the context of the dossier, up to and including May 9th. | ||
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ZeromuS
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Well for a while it is clear the FBI considered the AG to be compromised, then recused from the whole affair, so he had no one to go until the Deputy AG was sworn to act on Russia. At that point he would follow up with the AG. | ||
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ahswtini
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On June 09 2017 00:37 xDaunt wrote: Even if Trump is under personal investigation for something else, Comey isn't doing future prosecutors any favors by telling Trump that he isn't under personal investigation in arguably misleading ways and Trump believing that he's not under personal investigation, period. it's irrelevant how trump chooses how to interpret what comey told him | ||
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